Valvoline Restore & Protect 5w-30 (Gonna Take a Chance)

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The one that that this thread proves without a doubt, is that you and foxtrot are absolutely sure that this product is nothing special. That's the only thing I really learned here so far. Hopefully we will eventually have enough information to actually prove that true or false.

Yeah. I talked to the people who make it, directly.

You don’t have to believe me. This is the internet. But I have those sort of connections.
 
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I didn't knock it. I just called it a "High Mileage" oil by a different name.

What do you think @Foxtrot08? Does this qualify as a High Mileage oil? Is it in the same class?


Blue Restore is marketed to commercial/business buyers. Those folks don't buy into marketing buzz words as much as they want data to justify their purchase. Restore & Protect is a consumer focused product. Look at how it's marketed versus Blue Restore.

This is Blue Restore PDS:

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Blue Restore Patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170029734A1/en

From the patent, this is the composition:

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Now look at Restore & Protect:

No precise details about the things that matter, just ranges or lower than, and plenty of marketing buzzwords.

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I wouldn’t say it’s quite a high mileage oil. I would say it’s a heavier detergent in the tweaked add pack. This can come with some bonus of being helpful to seal conditioning.

I think it’s an interesting take on actually doing something slightly different. And actually doing (a bit modified) real testing on it.

I’m curious what compromise they made in the formulation to be able to get it done. But, that’s for them to know and me not to. Trade secrets and all.
 
Are there studies that prove extra moly does something beneficial? If so please link them 👍🏻
You will see extra Moly in a few instances like when the blender is using MoDDP in conjunction with ZDDP (or when you add Lubegard BioTech to oil, as it contains MoDDP), or when the blender ads MoDTC to prevent the detergent(s) from washing off the anti wear additives during the boundary lubrication regime. Extra Moly doesn't do anything per se to improve the lubricity of motor oil. It's there to either prevent the anti wear additive from being washed off, or as part of the anti wear package. Another way to accomplish a similar result is to use more ZDDP, in conjunction with another multifunctional additive, like TiO2.

Of course, someone who actually knows how to formulate motor oil, please correct me. The above is based on what I've read on the Internet.
 
Because there are plenty of lab studies that claim moly reduces friction, but none I’ve seen linked on the board that moly actually reduces wear or increases mileage. There’s plenty of assumption that increased moly “should” help wear and mileage, but no tests that show it does. So there’s no evidence that increased moly means you’re buying a better oil. It’s pure marketing til the data shows correlation AND causation. Maybe you had some links?
 
People see ex. 100 ppm and say “that doesn’t have enough moly because XX oil has 300 ppm”… something like that. Extra moly meaning more than whatever the oil in question has, vs the competition.

I linked another article that should help explain what moly does in an engine oil.

I mean, at the end of the day I’d say they’re splitting hairs over nothing.
 
Because there are plenty of lab studies that claim moly reduces friction, but none I’ve seen linked on the board that moly actually reduces wear or increases mileage. There’s plenty of assumption that increased moly “should” help wear and mileage, but no tests that show it does. So there’s no evidence that increased moly means you’re buying a better oil. It’s pure marketing til the data shows correlation AND causation. Maybe you had some links?
I never made a claim that moly improves wear or mileage. Just simply stating a preference.
 
Thanks for the article BTW, I don’t remember any other ones that have been linked showing that MoS2 can help antioxidants. But the article does show environmental issues.

In my industry we use 3” diameter by 8’ long solid molybdenum as electrodes, submerged in molten glass, to conduct about 2kA of electricity through the glass to induce stirring and heating because molten glass is electrically conductive.
 
Thanks for the article BTW, I don’t remember any other ones that have been linked showing that MoS2 can help antioxidants. But the article does show environmental issues.

In my industry we use 3” diameter by 8’ long solid molybdenum as electrodes, submerged in molten glass, to conduct about 2kA of electricity through the glass to induce stirring and heating because molten glass is electrically conductive.

That’s an awesome application!

Sorta like a mini electric arc furnace for glass. That’s cool!
 
That’s an awesome application!

Sorta like a mini electric arc furnace for glass. That’s cool!
So pure electric arc furnaces for glass containers have failed spectacularly every time they’ve been tried on production scale. However, for fiberglass and probably even flat glass (windows/windshields) they seem very successful (not my area of expertise).

We use them in natural gas and/or oxy-fired furnaces as a way to get heat all the way thru the ~5’ depth of molten glass. Otherwise, surface and bottom temps would be greatly different and make thermoclines rather than refining the bubbles and other imperfections out of the mixture.
 
So pure electric arc furnaces for glass containers have failed spectacularly every time they’ve been tried on production scale. However, for fiberglass and probably even flat glass (windows/windshields) they seem very successful (not my area of expertise).

We use them in natural gas and/or oxy-fired furnaces as a way to get heat all the way thru the ~5’ depth of molten glass. Otherwise, surface and bottom temps would be greatly different and make thermoclines rather than refining the bubbles and other imperfections out of the mixture.

Very cool stuff. I was just using the electric arc furnace example because it’s what I know / work around / grew up around. Sorry if it wasn’t all that great of an example.

But yeah I get it. It’s an awesome application. I think industry like that is awesome.
 
Very cool stuff. I was just using the electric arc furnace example because it’s what I know / work around / grew up around. Sorry if it wasn’t all that great of an example.

But yeah I get it. It’s an awesome application. I think industry like that is awesome.
No worries… some companies put hundreds of millions of dollars into electric arc only furnaces for glass containers… and literally burned the midnight oil (putting out the fires they caused)!

I don’t know exact prices of our electrodes but I know moly in that form is going for serious money… that to me shows how important it is. The melting point is what matters- it can stay submerged in 2500*+F glass, and conduct multiple kA on top of that without melting… it’s a critical part of our process!
 
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