Valvoline Restore & Protect 5w-30 (Gonna Take a Chance)

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I didn't notice that part. :sneaky: Well, if it shows up in-store at that price it is a hard no. The Ep is great and I see no reason to spend the extra dough on R&P, especially since my vehicle is barely a year old and has the build changed every 5,000.
I’m running EP in my 9 month old Mustang as well. Like you said no need for R&P yet, and shouldn’t ever be with a 5k regimen of top quality synthetics.

I already have an OCI of EP on deck. Thinking of trying the QS Ultimate next time around.
 
GM issued this TSB 10+ yrs ago about oil consumption, poorly designed driverside pvc valve cover, installing afm relief valve deflector, etc:
https://f01.justanswer.com/ebrock63...il+Consumption,+MIL+ON,+Engine+Runs+Rough.pdf
I did it too my 2007 6.2L 5+ yrs ago and no oil consumption since.
That tsb was kind of addressing two different issues. Our engines don't have AFM so it was just the PCV issue. However I think it oil changes had been done frequently enough (conventional when olm tells you - or a few weeks after that as my boss always seemed to do) may not have been frequent enough). In my case it was just the fact that the new updated valve cover wasn't blocked by sludge in the PCV. If I'd been able to clean the sludge out of the original that probably would have worked too big instead I ripped out the baffles so I could see how much crap was in there.
 
That tsb was kind of addressing two different issues. Our engines don't have AFM so it was just the PCV issue. However I think it oil changes had been done frequently enough (conventional when olm tells you - or a few weeks after that as my boss always seemed to do) may not have been frequent enough). In my case it was just the fact that the new updated valve cover wasn't blocked by sludge in the PCV. If I'd been able to clean the sludge out of the original that probably would have worked too big instead I ripped out the baffles so I could see how much crap was in there.
The new updated valve cover internal pvc baffling is completely different. Here's a pic of old and new.
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Notice the visible difference. Old has a round hole, new has square hole located in a different place.
 
The new updated valve cover internal pvc baffling is completely different. Here's a pic of old and new.
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Notice the visible difference. Old has a round hole, new has square hole located in a different place.
Yeah I know. I posted the same thing a couple years ago. I think the updated one just holds up better to lack of maintenance. They didn't smoke and burn oil when they were new with the original design. If I owned the truck from new it wouldn't have needed the replacement valve cover.
 
I looked at the VOA on that Youtube channel and it seems similar to other Valvoline oils.
 
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The Unobtanium chemical compounds are not visible in a basic elemental analysis.
Well, no compounds with known cleaning ability show up on the SDS, either. Maybe you have to do a rain dance and sacrifice a chicken on the intake manifold to activate the secret sauce?

Until we see B&A under VC pics to provide proof, I’m personally expecting Occam’s Razor to prove out again that the simplest explanation is, there is no secret sauce. It’s gonna be another decent Group III oil, and nothing more.
 
Well, no compounds with known cleaning ability show up on the SDS, either. Maybe you have to do a rain dance and sacrifice a chicken on the intake manifold to activate the secret sauce?

Until we see B&A under VC pics to provide proof, I’m personally expecting Occam’s Razor to prove out again that the simplest explanation is, there is no secret sauce. It’s gonna be another decent Group III oil, and nothing more.

It takes a minimum of four oil changes to see results. Well, Mobil 1 Tripple Action, especially the EP High Mileage, will do about the same in four oil changes, and then some. Never mind HPL. But we know that the Tripple Action reformulation contains a boat load of ANs, and that HPL contains ANs, cleaning esters, and POE (POE doesn't really clean, but it's there to provide thermal stability and thicken the tribo-film).

If someone could do an FTIR analasys of Valvoline R&P and post the graph, that would be great. We should see some spikes, somewhere... maybe.

However, I'm with you: it's just more marketing.
 
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It takes a minimum of four oil changes to see results. Well, Mobil 1 Tripple Action, especially the EP High Mileage, will do about the same in four oil changes, and then some. Never mind HPL. But we know that the Tripple Action reformulation contains a boat load of ANs, and that HPL contains ANs, cleaning esters, and POE (POE doesn't really clean, but it's there to provide thermal stability and thicken the tribo-film).

If someone could do an FTIR analasys of Valvoline R&P and post the graph, that would be great. We should see some spikes, somewhere... maybe.

However, I'm with you: it's just more marketing.
Has there been validated lab testing that shows Triple Action has ANs (and how much)? I thought I remembered a post by Overkill in one of the early Triple Action threads that he or someone else had contacted Mobil and they said it did not have ANs. Can’t remember.
 
It takes a minimum of four oil changes to see results. Well, Mobil 1 Tripple Action, especially the EP High Mileage, will do about the same in four oil changes, and then some. Never mind HPL. But we know that the Tripple Action reformulation contains a boat load of ANs, and that HPL contains ANs, cleaning esters, and POE (POE doesn't really clean, but it's there to provide thermal stability and thicken the tribo-film).

If someone could do an FTIR analasys of Valvoline R&P and post the graph, that would be great. We should see some spikes, somewhere... maybe.

However, I'm with you: it's just more marketing.
4 Oil Changes, LOL
 
I think what Brian was implying is “four or more” could mean it takes 100,000 miles and 20 oil changes to clean, if ever. Just like their “up to 100% piston cleaning”. There were some questionable piston results I asked about in reply to buster’s pic of the pistons from the video… there appear to be at least 3 different types of pistons, but yet the presentation makes it look like one set of 4 pistons before and after.
 
I think what Brian was implying is “four or more” could mean it takes 100,000 miles and 20 oil changes to clean, if ever. Just like their “up to 100% piston cleaning”. There were some questionable piston results I asked about in reply to buster’s pic of the pistons from the video… there appear to be at least 3 different types of pistons, but yet the presentation makes it look like one set of 4 pistons before and after.
Yep, I got that part. I was just confirming.

Heck, for some engines all it takes is installing a new PCV valve and an oil catch can to get cleaner pistons. Never mind if you run HPL, or at the very least Mobil 1, in such an engine. Yup, it's all Valvoline Marketing, just like @Foxtrot08 said.
 
I think what Brian was implying is “four or more” could mean it takes 100,000 miles and 20 oil changes to clean, if ever. Just like their “up to 100% piston cleaning”. There were some questionable piston results I asked about in reply to buster’s pic of the pistons from the video… there appear to be at least 3 different types of pistons, but yet the presentation makes it look like one set of 4 pistons before and after.

We will go with what SubieRubyRoo said 2 a certain extent, but VitaminYoda did say 4 oil changes to see results, and then the Link he showed me said 4 or more. IMO, this so called in house testing by Valvoline might not be the same as real world driving that many of us do here.
 
Their claim is based on Sequence IIIH testing, which is a high-temperature piston deposit test that runs an engine at high load and rpm with 151°C oil temperature for 100 hours. I'm not sure if this test is very representative of how the oil would perform in normal, less extreme use after 4 oil changes.

One additive that seems to be very effective at preventing high temperature piston deposits is a borated glycelol mono oleyl (BGMO), at an ideal concentration of ~180 ppm boron. A VOA shows that this Valvoline contains 188 ppm boron. Could be a coincidence, but I'm guessing it's the magic sauce in this oil. I suspect that other oils that have ~180 ppm boron like Pennzoil Ultra Platinum use the same stuff.

This table is from a study showed that it kept pistons quite clean in high temperature deposit tests in a diesel engine, but didn't test whether it would actually clean existing deposits.

BGMO Piston Deposits.jpg
 
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Their claim is based on Sequence IIIH testing, which is a high-temperature piston deposit test that runs an engine at high load and rpm with 151°C oil temperature for 100 hours. I'm not sure if this test is very representative of how the oil would perform in normal, less extreme use after 4 oil changes.

One additive that seems to be very effective at preventing high temperature piston deposits is a borated glycelol mono oleyl (BGMO), at an ideal concentration of ~180 ppm boron. A VOA shows that this Valvoline contains 188 ppm boron. Could be a coincidence, but I'm guessing it's the magic sauce in this oil. I suspect that other oils that have ~180 ppm boron like Pennzoil Ultra Platinum use the same stuff.

This table is from a study showed that it kept pistons quite clean in high temperature deposit tests in a diesel engine, but didn't test whether it would actually clean existing deposits.

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Just seeing a table with no context doesn’t necessarily prove BGMO is a secret sauce, nor that it’s in VRP. BGMO may be of some help for cleanliness; I don’t know enough about that compound to dispute its potential totally.

But I can say with certainty, that the current champ of oils known to clean using ANs & esters doesn’t use BGMO in any product they make, so it can’t be that magical. Just sayin’, 😉
 
Just seeing a table with no context doesn’t necessarily prove BGMO is a secret sauce, nor that it’s in VRP. BGMO may be of some help for cleanliness; I don’t know enough about that compound to dispute its potential totally.

But I can say with certainty, that the current champ of oils known to clean using ANs & esters doesn’t use BGMO in any product they make, so it can’t be that magical. Just sayin’, 😉
The more we wonder about VRP and the more we debate the "secret sauce" that might be in it, the bigger the disappointment will be when we finally find out that it's just another run of the mill Valvoline motor oil.
 
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