Valvoline Restore & Protect 5w-30 (Gonna Take a Chance)

[Sequoiasoon]

I’m not sure what you’re saying. Better than Dino?

2 mile trips will kill any oil as well.

The test was Kendall syn blend against dino and had better results with longer OCI's over 100k in the taxi's.

My experience with Kendall syn blend is that it didn't hold up to what the Hyundai is doing on a 5k OCI but that was what her shop used and recommended. Dino would probably be worse.

The 2 mile trips will kill probably most oils as you said.

I put PP Euro L in last change and will go 3k/6 months on the changes. Maybe it will last longer, who knows. I have a bunch of full syn and factory filters on hand for it.

 

[Ronin73]

It is.

It’s another group 3 synthetic with marketing thrown on top of it. It’s nothing special in its class, nor is it anything special in the over all market place, assuming you’re comparing it to other full synthetics.

You just said earlier that it was "above average" and now you are saying it is "run of the mill." Which is it, man?

 

[subyski]

I'm running HPL NO VII 5W-30 in a Hyundai Lambda II 3.3L GDI engine myself. I know what it is. I also have HPL "Overkill" 0W-20, and previously ran PCMO PP 5W-30 and PCMO 5W-40. All good oils.

My question to you is: for how have you been running HPL to try and clean your engine before taking it apart?

Curious, what has been or planned OCI on the HPL on the Lambda 3.3 GDI?

 

[Foxtrot08]

The test was Kendall syn blend against dino and had better results with longer OCI's over 100k in the taxi's.

My experience with Kendall syn blend is that it didn't hold up to what the Hyundai is doing on a 5k OCI but that was what her shop used and recommended. Dino would probably be worse.

The 2 mile trips will kill probably most oils as you said.

I put PP Euro L in last change and will go 3k/6 months on the changes. Maybe it will last longer, who knows. I have a bunch of full syn and factory filters on hand for it.

Oh. I didn’t link the video for marketing purposes. I linked it to say that all the majors do that sort of testing. Like the poster that mentioned Mobil did taxi testing.

I’m sure they tested it against junk. Calling it conventional is a stretch to me because no one was using group 1 base stocks in 2014.

 

[Foxtrot08]

You just said earlier that it was "above average" and now you are saying it is "run of the mill." Which is it, man?

It’s both.

As I said. The majority of the PCEO market, is synthetic blends, to this day. So it’s going to be above average for the market place as a whole.

But, if you compare it to the rest of the products in its class - meaning group III based products - it’s run of the mill. As you’re not going to get any major performance improvements out of a group 3, even if you shake up the ad pack here or there. Just is what it is.

I described this in my previous posts. About this specific oil, and about Valvoline’s place in the market and how I segment the market place out.

So yes it’s both. And I’ve said why.

 

[Ronin73]

It’s both.

As I said. The majority of the PCEO market, is synthetic blends, to this day. So it’s going to be above average for the market place as a whole.

But, if you compare it to the rest of the products in its class - meaning group III based products - it’s run of the mill. As you’re not going to get any major performance improvements out of a group 3, even if you shake up the ad pack here or there. Just is what it is.

I described this in my previous posts. About this specific oil, and about Valvoline’s place in the market and how I segment the market place out.

So yes it’s both. And I’ve said why.

Thanks for the explanation. So, if you don't mind, would you offer your opinion on what some of the best group III oils off the shelf that are better than Valvoline?

 

[Foxtrot08]

Thanks for the explanation. So, if you don't mind, would you offer your opinion on what some of the best group III oils off the shelf that are better than Valvoline?

“On the shelf” I don’t think you’ll find anything that significantly changes your engines B10 rate. Being honest.

I personally like Shells GTL oils. But I also like the higher moly count in the indemtisu products. (Are they technically “on the shelf?”) I like the pure performance base oils for P66. But you’re not going to really find P66 products on the shelf outside of motorcraft. Which motorcraft full synthetics are good, but I think the Kendall formulation is better.

I think Mobil one is “the bar” that ever has to meet. So you can never go wrong there. And I think Valvoline is a decent product with by far, the best marketing team in the entire business.

I think Chevron (Halvoline) gets slept on a lot. Because out of everyone they probably do the most in house R&D / Testing. But they do a poor job marketing their oil outside of Delo.

So decision making tree:

Is it a licensed full synthetic on the shelf? If yes. It’s going to be a decent product. Is it a major brand, licensed full synthetic, on the shelf? If yes, it’s going to be above average.

But again, I stress. This is all splitting hairs. Change your oil regularly, at whatever interval you think fits. Use a quality product - I.e not crap I posted before. (Which will typically be unlicensed “conventional” product. Not a full synthetic.). And chances are your vehicle will die of something else, before you see an oil related failure.

 

[Ronin73]

“On the shelf” I don’t think you’ll find anything that significantly changes your engines B10 rate. Being honest.

I personally like Shells GTL oils. But I also like the higher moly count in the indemtisu products. (Are they technically “on the shelf?”) I like the pure performance base oils for P66. But you’re not going to really find P66 products on the shelf outside of motorcraft. Which motorcraft full synthetics are good, but I think the Kendall formulation is better.

I think Mobil one is “the bar” that ever has to meet. So you can never go wrong there. And I think Valvoline is a decent product with by far, the best marketing team in the entire business.

I think Chevron (Halvoline) gets slept on a lot. Because out of everyone they probably do the most in house R&D / Testing. But they do a poor job marketing their oil outside of Delo.

So decision making tree:

Is it a licensed full synthetic on the shelf? If yes. It’s going to be a decent product. Is it a major brand, licensed full synthetic, on the shelf? If yes, it’s going to be above average.

But again, I stress. This is all splitting hairs. Change your oil regularly, at whatever interval you think fits. Use a quality product - I.e not crap I posted before. (Which will typically be unlicensed “conventional” product. Not a full synthetic.). And chances are your vehicle will die of something else, before you see an oil related failure.

I appreciate the information. Thank you.

 

[mr_boring]

There are certain engines that I've seen multiple examples, for example GM LS v8 engines without AFM and a few Toyota engines. Other than that, mostly just diesels. But I would put Hyundai on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Also certain years of 5.0 Ford seem pretty good, specifically the 15-17 with a 6 speed, but they haven't been out long enough for a large number of high mileage ones.

There are a few high mileage everythings out there. My point (not very well pointed out) was that F150's are typically pretty reliable (especially naturally aspirated ones) and you rarely see a 400k one, I think 400k is pretty impressive. The 4.0 jeep has had a few that I've personally seen at 500k (owned one to 250, saw it hit well over 300 within the family), but you're right. Something about some LS in especially the Tahoe/Suburban was just nearly indestructible.

 

[Jw95]

There are a few high mileage everythings out there. My point (not very well pointed out) was that F150's are typically pretty reliable (especially naturally aspirated ones) and you rarely see a 400k one, I think 400k is pretty impressive. The 4.0 jeep has had a few that I've personally seen at 500k (owned one to 250, saw it hit well over 300 within the family), but you're right. Something about some LS in especially the Tahoe/Suburban was just nearly indestructible.

Those same ls engines are in the pick up trucks and a few others as well until 2013. After that they switch to the LT design. Afm dod is the worse thing for any engine tho. I’ve seen a few other ls motors with about 800k miles on them and original motor. My dads 93 3.0 v6 5 speed ranger he bought new in 93 with 15 miles had 730k miles when he sold it. Nothing major to the motor. Just maintenance. Trans was rebuilt at about 400k. Last I heard it had 785k.
I’m at 403k now with the original motor. 4l65e was rebuilt at 318k. This truck weighs 7000 pounds from the extra stereo weight I added and bigger wheels and tires. It also tows a lot. (Not your average system, I have 20 grand into that alone). I’ve ran a 40 grade in her for the past 200k miles. Was recommended by my dad who is a mechanic, lake, as well as David at hpl to run that viscosity for the miles and use. Majority of it is highway miles.
Also had a jeep with the 4.0 1998 grand Cherokee. Dad had a jeep with the v8 2002. As well as many that came into the shop. 4.0 are great. Everything else on them is a pos. Dads dropped valves 3 times and many others.

 

[bbhero]

“On the shelf” I don’t think you’ll find anything that significantly changes your engines B10 rate. Being honest.

I personally like Shells GTL oils. But I also like the higher moly count in the indemtisu products. (Are they technically “on the shelf?”) I like the pure performance base oils for P66. But you’re not going to really find P66 products on the shelf outside of motorcraft. Which motorcraft full synthetics are good, but I think the Kendall formulation is better.

I think Mobil one is “the bar” that ever has to meet. So you can never go wrong there. And I think Valvoline is a decent product with by far, the best marketing team in the entire business.

I think Chevron (Halvoline) gets slept on a lot. Because out of everyone they probably do the most in house R&D / Testing. But they do a poor job marketing their oil outside of Delo.

So decision making tree:

Is it a licensed full synthetic on the shelf? If yes. It’s going to be a decent product. Is it a major brand, licensed full synthetic, on the shelf? If yes, it’s going to be above average.

But again, I stress. This is all splitting hairs. Change your oil regularly, at whatever interval you think fits. Use a quality product - I.e not crap I posted before. (Which will typically be unlicensed “conventional” product. Not a full synthetic.). And chances are your vehicle will die of something else, before you see an oil related failure.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Seriously…. A great post here by foxtrot. In my opinion.

 

[350Rocket]

There are a few high mileage everythings out there. My point (not very well pointed out) was that F150's are typically pretty reliable (especially naturally aspirated ones) and you rarely see a 400k one, I think 400k is pretty impressive. The 4.0 jeep has had a few that I've personally seen at 500k (owned one to 250, saw it hit well over 300 within the family), but you're right. Something about some LS in especially the Tahoe/Suburban was just nearly indestructible.

Yes, i have seen a few jeep 4.0 with insane mileage too.

Those same ls engines are in the pick up trucks and a few others as well until 2013. After that they switch to the LT design. Afm dod is the worse thing for any engine tho. I’ve seen a few other ls motors with about 800k miles on them and original motor. My dads 93 3.0 v6 5 speed ranger he bought new in 93 with 15 miles had 730k miles when he sold it. Nothing major to the motor. Just maintenance. Trans was rebuilt at about 400k. Last I heard it had 785k.
I’m at 403k now with the original motor. 4l65e was rebuilt at 318k. This truck weighs 7000 pounds from the extra stereo weight I added and bigger wheels and tires. It also tows a lot. (Not your average system, I have 20 grand into that alone). I’ve ran a 40 grade in her for the past 200k miles. Was recommended by my dad who is a mechanic, lake, as well as David at hpl to run that viscosity for the miles and use. Majority of it is highway miles.
Also had a jeep with the 4.0 1998 grand Cherokee. Dad had a jeep with the v8 2002. As well as many that came into the shop. 4.0 are great. Everything else on them is a pos. Dads dropped valves 3 times and many others.

Yes, the company I work for had a 2013 base model Silverado with a 4.8 4L60E. It had more issues than the 2005, including air conditioning trouble. But no issues with that drivetrain at 170k with a user that wanted the truck to die.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

I think it is a little disingenuous to call Valvoline "run of the mill." UOA's show a very solid oil that performs above average.

UOAs don’t show anything relevant to how an oil will perform. It simply shows if a given oil remained in grade and how TBN and insolubles performed during said OCI. Nothing more, nothing less. From a single sample, UOAs don’t tell anything as far as real data is concerned. Period.

Feelings don’t trump data. UOAs are not a tool equipped to say Valvoline is “run of the mill”, but several of them strung together on the same vehicle are. Valvoline is a run of the mill oil. Data says so. Sorry, not sorry. This board isn’t about finding the median oil…..

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

I’d really like to know if Valvoline is using a substantially “better” gp IV/V base oil composition for the Restore & Protect. They claim it’s their new highest performing oil, and they seem to be positioning against boutique oils in their marketing.

Maybe the answer is buried somewhere in the two giant threads but they’re getting cluttered and I’m curious if we’ll ever get more info. Even just getting exact CCS and pour points would be nice…

Nope. It’s pure marketing. The minutiae you’re claiming make a difference, don’t. If there was something that actually cleaned, it would have to be called out on the SDS. A list full of Grp III oils doesn’t make a magical product.

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

Nope. It’s pure marketing. The minutiae you’re claiming make a difference, don’t. If there was something that actually cleaned, it would have to be called out on the SDS. A list full of Grp III oils doesn’t make a magical product.

I didn’t claim anything.

 

[4WD]

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[Foxtrot08]

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Does he use one of these too?

If not, how do you trust them to be experts?

 

[Jw95]

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featuring someone with a coffee pot and oil racing that doesn’t know a thing that lubrication test bs machine doesn’t prove anything. The only oil specialist on YouTube is lake speed jr. and guess what. He doesn’t show or do anything I listed above.

 

[kschachn]

Over 800 posts and the OP hasn’t been back. Perhaps he moved on to other more fertile hunting grounds.

 

[4WD]

featuring someone with a coffee pot and oil racing that doesn’t know a thing that lubrication test bs machine doesn’t prove anything. The only oil specialist on YouTube is lake speed jr. and guess what. He doesn’t show or do anything I listed above.

I don’t guess you recognize sarcasm on this long dead thread …