It's doubtful that magic ingredient is a solvent.
Valvoline Restore and Protect skepticism
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From everything I read the only thing I picked up on specifically (via LSJ's visit to Valvoline Lab) was what Dr. England said in that they synthesized some new molecule. They mentioned a lab in Mumbai, India.
Valvoline Restore and Protect should be thought of as novel. It's not an existing technology or additive. It's proprietary to Valvoline.
An oil with the solvency greater than Valvoline Premium Blue Restore without the negative aspects that come with esters that can be ran continuously.
Whatever it is, it has a unique ability to breakdown ring carbon which is very tenacious.
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Dave G. from Redline told me a few times that the esters used in Red Line ran clean but wouldn't clean. I thought that was interesting. With so many esters though it makes sense. But initially I was surprised by that.
Yes, and they haven't patented the new molecule because that would put all the information out into view and start the 20 year countdown for other companies to have full use of it.
By keeping it unpatented, they are betting that other companies cannot replicate the molecule on their own - probably a decent assumption because all of their videos on Valvoline Restore and Protect seem to indicate they stumbled on it partially by chance. It's like the Coke formula: if you can keep it secret instead of patenting it, you can use it indefinitely. Same reason why they won't submit for a Dexos license.
"It's doubtful that magic ingredient is a solvent."
they are in there for something right? my feeling is a fast cleaner that even if evaporated will leave gunk in susupension held by the mid aniline point oil and OSP as a flim former.
they are in there for something right? my feeling is a fast cleaner that even if evaporated will leave gunk in susupension held by the mid aniline point oil and OSP as a flim former.
It might be novel, but I don't know how much better it is than other products (however you want to define better).
For example, I don't think Valvoline Restore & Protect has a solvency greater than Valvoline Premium Blue Restore. I would actually say that Valvoline Restore & Protect has significantly less solvency than Valvoline Premium Blue Restore. Valvoline recommends no more than *one* oil change interval with Premium Blue Restore, and *four or more* oil change intervals with Restore & Protect.
With regard to Premium Blue Restore, Valvoline says:
"This product should only be used for one complete drain interval. Due to the high solvency of Premium Blue Restore, this product can produce considerable sediment evacuation requiring close monitoring of oil filter particulate capacity. It may be necessary to replace oil filter before the next oil drain interval due to trapped sediment."
With regard to Restore & Protect, Valvoline says:
"Up to 100% piston deposit removal when used as directed for four or more consecutive oil changes. Based on adapted sequence IIIH testing."
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Yes I agree. Better is subjective. I would say better in that Valvoline Restore and Protect can be used continuously and you don't apparently need a lot of the additive to make it work well. Valvoline Premium Blue Restore is 50-60% ester and is basically a one-time flush oil. Per Dr. Warholic the additive they are using in Valvoline Restore and Protect is very small amount so it's hard to say if the quantity was the same. Valvoline Restore and Protect is a continual use product with a much much lower treat rate of whatever it is. Curious what the aniline point is for Valvoline Restore and Protect.
"For example, I don't think Valvoline Restore & Protect has a solvency greater than Valvoline Premium Blue Restore. I would actually say that Valvoline Restore & Protect has significantly less solvency than Valvoline Premium Blue Restor"
why would you say that with all a aniline point of 60 or so Valvoline Restore & Protect has very high solvency
why would you say that with all a aniline point of 60 or so Valvoline Restore & Protect has very high solvency
bruce381, I don't really understand your question. But as I mentioned above, as per the Valvoline, the Premium Blue Restore cleans much more quickly than the Valvoline Restore and Protect.
buster, I appreciate that we can have a civil discussion about this. Interestingly, I think there is room in the marketplace for both types of products: a quick clean one-time product (Valvoline Premium Blue Restore) and a continuous use product (Valvoline Restore and Protect). I'm not convinced Valvoline Restore and Protect is better at cleaning than some other high quality synthetic engine oils already out in the marketplace.
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Valvoline Premium Blue Restore is a onetime flush oil. It has nearly 60% group V with a lot of detergents. Valvoline Restore & Protect is using a new novel additive where you only need a tiny amount of it in a fully formulated certified product for continued use. If you were to put 60% of whatever Valvoline Restore & Protect uses in an oil, it would clean too much. VBPR is not certified for any modern engine.
Valvoline Premium Blue Restore also doesn't claim 100% deposit removal where as Restore & Protect does.
As far as other synthetics and cleaning, yes, they can clean too. Mostly sludge and light deposits. Especially HPL and Amsoil SS and some Mobil 1 grades.
What other oils can't do or haven't' demonstrated they can do, is unstuck stuck rings like VRP can. And if you think another oil can then it needs to be proven.
Here is a before/after - 4k miles.
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Valvoline's videos indicate that they deliberately selected a low concentration of the magic additive in Valvoline Restore and Protect - it's not a lack of capability, it was a deliberate decision to reduce the cleaning effect.
They claim it was to prevent accidental filter overloads, but there's probably also a strong component of product planning strategy in there too. If you can make the customer buy a minimum of 4 oil changes worth of your oil instead of, say, 2 (assuming they increased the additive concentration and therefore the cleaning action), seems like free money to me.
Exactly.
"bruce381, I don't really understand your question"
Just questioning how you arrive at R+P has low or bad solvency.
In my world "solvency" is related to additive solubility as such Aniline Point is a normal look 2 to see how "solventy a fluid is.
You said "Valvoline Restore & Protect has significantly less solvency than Valvoline Premium Blue Restor"
I said "why would you say that with all a aniline point of 60 or so Valvoline Restore & Protect has very high solvency"
When compared to about any other NON ester oil it is pretty good I dont make sense sometimes sorry
Just questioning how you arrive at R+P has low or bad solvency.
In my world "solvency" is related to additive solubility as such Aniline Point is a normal look 2 to see how "solventy a fluid is.
You said "Valvoline Restore & Protect has significantly less solvency than Valvoline Premium Blue Restor"
I said "why would you say that with all a aniline point of 60 or so Valvoline Restore & Protect has very high solvency"
When compared to about any other NON ester oil it is pretty good I dont make sense sometimes sorry
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I must have missed it, but where are we getting an aniline point for VRP?
Some of us on here, including myself, have found hard carbon bits in our oil filters after a switch to HPL, from these other OTS oils such as Mobil, Pennzoil, ST, etc. these are indicative of buildup in the ring packs, so no, these oils don’t keep clean as they advertise. There may also be outliers like ESP, for the most part though they end up leaving deposits.
wild guess from patent tho I have some 0/20 and may bring into lab and run it if I remember
All I know is that yesterday my mechanic changed the PCV valve & oil sensor in my 2009 Corolla with 227,000+ mi. and he remarked with shock how clean the oil cap area looked inside and that the engine purred like a well oiled sewing machine. 
The car runs like new and oil consumption is down below the 1 qt. I was having to add every 5 - 6k mi. before. It is now well over 1,000 mi. into the 4th change with VRP and I am a believer! Reality trumps theory, said the test pilot.
The car runs like new and oil consumption is down below the 1 qt. I was having to add every 5 - 6k mi. before. It is now well over 1,000 mi. into the 4th change with VRP and I am a believer! Reality trumps theory, said the test pilot.
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If that's the patent from the other thread linked earlier, that's for Premium Blue Restore.
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I've run VRP in 3 of 4 older vehicles now.
Can't say I've experience as much "magic" as some.
For decades I used Castrol GTX and changed it ever 3,000 miles. Those vehicles motors were as clean internally as anything I'm seeing with VRP today. It's "ok" but I wouldn't shell out a ridiculous premium for it.
Dunno. My personal opinion is many people are seeing what they WANT to see.
Pretty much any good, fresh, quality detergent oil is going to do some cleaning.
Maybe a little Berrymans or Seafoam here and there.
If I need it cleaner than that I'll just disassemble the darn thing and clean it manually.
Recently bought a 3.8L V6 out of a junk yard minivan. About to go through it and get it ready to replace the 3.3L that's in there now.
ymmv
Can't say I've experience as much "magic" as some.
For decades I used Castrol GTX and changed it ever 3,000 miles. Those vehicles motors were as clean internally as anything I'm seeing with VRP today. It's "ok" but I wouldn't shell out a ridiculous premium for it.
Dunno. My personal opinion is many people are seeing what they WANT to see.
Pretty much any good, fresh, quality detergent oil is going to do some cleaning.
Maybe a little Berrymans or Seafoam here and there.
If I need it cleaner than that I'll just disassemble the darn thing and clean it manually.
Recently bought a 3.8L V6 out of a junk yard minivan. About to go through it and get it ready to replace the 3.3L that's in there now.
ymmv