Even the cheap filter gasket is very robust, I've done this hundreds of time and never a leak. Never seen a gasket that wasn't the same as when it went on...Not sure where your coming from.
Using oil filter for multiple OCs
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Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Interesting question. It can't hurt to dump another 6-8 oz of dirty oil out of that filter/oil galleries. I'd want to replace the filter 0-ring to ensure a perfect seal. Are those things available separately? I've never re-used an oil filter or had an o-ring needing replacement.
Why so worried about the oil seal? The ones I have seen on oil filters are not only stout, but the pressure on them is next to nothing. Break the seal all you want, you won't have an issue.
Interesting question. It can't hurt to dump another 6-8 oz of dirty oil out of that filter/oil galleries. I'd want to replace the filter 0-ring to ensure a perfect seal. Are those things available separately? I've never re-used an oil filter or had an o-ring needing replacement.
Why so worried about the oil seal? The ones I have seen on oil filters are not only stout, but the pressure on them is next to nothing. Break the seal all you want, you won't have an issue.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Ga129
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Z06, should I add my input to the OP's Q?
"Yes, let me hear it." **looks down at signature** "Nevermind."
Haha. But for real, I've never reused an oil filter before, but figured if I'm not hurting anything and can save a few $ then why not, But I'd love to hear what you've got. I'm all about learning!
I just think, IMHO, that a new oil filter is just cheap insurance. I mean, yes, the small amount of dirty oil left in a used oil filter "should" not harm anything, but, why take a chance?
Even Honda recommends to use an oil filter twice. I am guessing the engineers have done a lot of testing and know what they are talking about. But, I will ALWAYS use a new oil filter at every OCI.
You do what makes you sleep better at night.
"One Filter, One OCI!"
cheap insurance against what? You were just running this oil over the last few weeks of an OCI. It didn't suddenly turn into acid the day you decided to change your oil. The second OCI the filter is filtering at a higher efficiency.
Originally Posted By: Ga129
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Z06, should I add my input to the OP's Q?
"Yes, let me hear it." **looks down at signature** "Nevermind."
Haha. But for real, I've never reused an oil filter before, but figured if I'm not hurting anything and can save a few $ then why not, But I'd love to hear what you've got. I'm all about learning!
I just think, IMHO, that a new oil filter is just cheap insurance. I mean, yes, the small amount of dirty oil left in a used oil filter "should" not harm anything, but, why take a chance?
Even Honda recommends to use an oil filter twice. I am guessing the engineers have done a lot of testing and know what they are talking about. But, I will ALWAYS use a new oil filter at every OCI.
You do what makes you sleep better at night.
"One Filter, One OCI!"
cheap insurance against what? You were just running this oil over the last few weeks of an OCI. It didn't suddenly turn into acid the day you decided to change your oil. The second OCI the filter is filtering at a higher efficiency.
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Even the cheap filter gasket is very robust, I've done this hundreds of time and never a leak. Never seen a gasket that wasn't the same as when it went on...Not sure where your coming from.
Compare how far above the base a new gasket protrudes vs. one that has been on the car for an OCI. The used filter's gasket will be smashed down quite a bit, and all the compression give is out of it and will have a permanent set. Personally, I've never removed a filter if I leave it on for another run.
Even the cheap filter gasket is very robust, I've done this hundreds of time and never a leak. Never seen a gasket that wasn't the same as when it went on...Not sure where your coming from.
Compare how far above the base a new gasket protrudes vs. one that has been on the car for an OCI. The used filter's gasket will be smashed down quite a bit, and all the compression give is out of it and will have a permanent set. Personally, I've never removed a filter if I leave it on for another run.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Even the cheap filter gasket is very robust, I've done this hundreds of time and never a leak. Never seen a gasket that wasn't the same as when it went on...Not sure where your coming from.
Compare how far above the base a new gasket protrudes vs. one that has been on the car for an OCI. The used filter's gasket will be smashed down quite a bit, and all the compression give is out of it and will have a permanent set. Personally, I've never removed a filter if I leave it on for another run.
Well if what you say is true, then you best tighten the filter down a bit for the next 7.5k miles because if the gasket has lost its spring, it would leak. Personally I buy Bluestream's story, having done hundreds and with no leaks. The pressure on that gasket is pretty low.
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Even the cheap filter gasket is very robust, I've done this hundreds of time and never a leak. Never seen a gasket that wasn't the same as when it went on...Not sure where your coming from.
Compare how far above the base a new gasket protrudes vs. one that has been on the car for an OCI. The used filter's gasket will be smashed down quite a bit, and all the compression give is out of it and will have a permanent set. Personally, I've never removed a filter if I leave it on for another run.
Well if what you say is true, then you best tighten the filter down a bit for the next 7.5k miles because if the gasket has lost its spring, it would leak. Personally I buy Bluestream's story, having done hundreds and with no leaks. The pressure on that gasket is pretty low.
If guys like removing and reusing the filter with the old base gasket, then good for them.
I'll repeat: Personally, I've never removed a filter if I leave it on for another run.
And I won't start, no matter how many guys have "done it hundreds of times with no problems".
I'll repeat: Personally, I've never removed a filter if I leave it on for another run.
And I won't start, no matter how many guys have "done it hundreds of times with no problems".
Originally Posted By: philipp10
Well if what you say is true, then you best tighten the filter down a bit for the next 7.5k miles because if the gasket has lost its spring, it would leak.
When the gasket is all compressed and taken a set, you're not going to get a 3/4 turn on it again. All you can do it just tighten it pretty tight by feel, not by turn distance.
Well if what you say is true, then you best tighten the filter down a bit for the next 7.5k miles because if the gasket has lost its spring, it would leak.
When the gasket is all compressed and taken a set, you're not going to get a 3/4 turn on it again. All you can do it just tighten it pretty tight by feel, not by turn distance.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
If guys like removing and reusing the filter with the old base gasket, then good for them.
I'll repeat: Personally, I've never removed a filter if I leave it on for another run.
And I won't start, no matter how many guys have "done it hundreds of times with no problems".
well I didn't say you should remove the filter and then re-use it. I was just stating that everyone here acts as if when you remove a filter, its impossible to re-seal again. And that is just untrue. If the gasket is so diminished as you say, then if you don't re-seat the filter for the next 7-10k miles, it should start leaking. And that's just not happening.
If guys like removing and reusing the filter with the old base gasket, then good for them.
I'll repeat: Personally, I've never removed a filter if I leave it on for another run.
And I won't start, no matter how many guys have "done it hundreds of times with no problems".
well I didn't say you should remove the filter and then re-use it. I was just stating that everyone here acts as if when you remove a filter, its impossible to re-seal again. And that is just untrue. If the gasket is so diminished as you say, then if you don't re-seat the filter for the next 7-10k miles, it should start leaking. And that's just not happening.
^^^ I'm not saying it's "impossible to re-seal" the filter or it's definitely going to leak.
I'm saying personally I wouldn't remove the filter for the reason that the base gasket is not fresh, and to me that does pose some rink of a possible leak if you don't reef it down good with the gasket that has already taken a permanent set. Having an oil filter leak while you're driving around could become a bad day.
If guys have good luck doing it, the great! But personally I would not do it.
I'm saying personally I wouldn't remove the filter for the reason that the base gasket is not fresh, and to me that does pose some rink of a possible leak if you don't reef it down good with the gasket that has already taken a permanent set. Having an oil filter leak while you're driving around could become a bad day.
If guys have good luck doing it, the great! But personally I would not do it.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ I'm not saying it's "impossible to re-seal" the filter or it's definitely going to leak.
I'm saying personally I wouldn't remove the filter for the reason that the base gasket is not fresh, and to me that does pose some rink of a possible leak if you don't reef it down good with the gasket that has already taken a permanent set. Having an oil filter leak while you're driving around could become a bad day.
If guys have good luck doing it, the great! But personally I would not do it.
there is risk in everything we do. You could throw on a new filter that has a defective gasket. It could even have a defective ADBV or a tear in the media. You could nick said gasket during installation. You could forget to tighten it fully. Anything is possible so you have to pick and choose what seems risky to avoid. A gasket for an oil filter is probably one of the easiest seals to make work.
^^^ I'm not saying it's "impossible to re-seal" the filter or it's definitely going to leak.
I'm saying personally I wouldn't remove the filter for the reason that the base gasket is not fresh, and to me that does pose some rink of a possible leak if you don't reef it down good with the gasket that has already taken a permanent set. Having an oil filter leak while you're driving around could become a bad day.
If guys have good luck doing it, the great! But personally I would not do it.
there is risk in everything we do. You could throw on a new filter that has a defective gasket. It could even have a defective ADBV or a tear in the media. You could nick said gasket during installation. You could forget to tighten it fully. Anything is possible so you have to pick and choose what seems risky to avoid. A gasket for an oil filter is probably one of the easiest seals to make work.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: aircooled
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
many new filters are really small- not much old oil in them
Exactly why I change them every oil change. You never know when they are in bypass mode.
5K on Tacoma, 6K on Subaru. Exactly what they recommend. Syn and premium filter. Not looking to save 10 bucks every year on oil changes on my vehicles.
I sleep better at night.
Great response!
Exactly! Plus I don't walk around the rest of the day feeling like I just did a half-a** job if I left the old filter installed.
Originally Posted By: aircooled
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
many new filters are really small- not much old oil in them
Exactly why I change them every oil change. You never know when they are in bypass mode.
5K on Tacoma, 6K on Subaru. Exactly what they recommend. Syn and premium filter. Not looking to save 10 bucks every year on oil changes on my vehicles.
I sleep better at night.
Great response!
Exactly! Plus I don't walk around the rest of the day feeling like I just did a half-a** job if I left the old filter installed.
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Originally Posted By: philipp10
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Ga129
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Z06, should I add my input to the OP's Q?
"Yes, let me hear it." **looks down at signature** "Nevermind."
Haha. But for real, I've never reused an oil filter before, but figured if I'm not hurting anything and can save a few $ then why not, But I'd love to hear what you've got. I'm all about learning!
I just think, IMHO, that a new oil filter is just cheap insurance. I mean, yes, the small amount of dirty oil left in a used oil filter "should" not harm anything, but, why take a chance?
Even Honda recommends to use an oil filter twice. I am guessing the engineers have done a lot of testing and know what they are talking about. But, I will ALWAYS use a new oil filter at every OCI.
You do what makes you sleep better at night.
"One Filter, One OCI!"
cheap insurance against what? You were just running this oil over the last few weeks of an OCI. It didn't suddenly turn into acid the day you decided to change your oil. The second OCI the filter is filtering at a higher efficiency.
Ok, this might be true. But, to me it's still cheap insurance to use a new filter at every OCI. You do as you want without me telling you how to do it, and vice versa. Capiche?
"One Filter, One OCI!"
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Ga129
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Z06, should I add my input to the OP's Q?
"Yes, let me hear it." **looks down at signature** "Nevermind."
Haha. But for real, I've never reused an oil filter before, but figured if I'm not hurting anything and can save a few $ then why not, But I'd love to hear what you've got. I'm all about learning!
I just think, IMHO, that a new oil filter is just cheap insurance. I mean, yes, the small amount of dirty oil left in a used oil filter "should" not harm anything, but, why take a chance?
Even Honda recommends to use an oil filter twice. I am guessing the engineers have done a lot of testing and know what they are talking about. But, I will ALWAYS use a new oil filter at every OCI.
You do what makes you sleep better at night.
"One Filter, One OCI!"
cheap insurance against what? You were just running this oil over the last few weeks of an OCI. It didn't suddenly turn into acid the day you decided to change your oil. The second OCI the filter is filtering at a higher efficiency.
Ok, this might be true. But, to me it's still cheap insurance to use a new filter at every OCI. You do as you want without me telling you how to do it, and vice versa. Capiche?
"One Filter, One OCI!"
Whatever the odds are of having a filter tear or show a significant defect while in operation, those odds must go up dramatically on the second OCI....as long as we're talking about probabilities.
Thanks for all the replies everyone. I want to clarify that these OCIs may very in mileage. This is because previously I was having consumption problems, but I think I may have solved that. Either way, If I only end up doing 3k mile intervals then that would only be 9k miles after 3 OCIs and I've seen guys on here run 12K mile OCI on a cheaper filter without even topping off so i'm not too worried. Once all is said and done I will have the filter cut open and will post pics. I may even get some UOAs done if I can afford them.
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Whatever the odds are of having a filter tear or show a significant defect while in operation, those odds must go up dramatically on the second OCI....as long as we're talking about probabilities.
To have any data to back that up? Or is it merely speculation ?
Whatever the odds are of having a filter tear or show a significant defect while in operation, those odds must go up dramatically on the second OCI....as long as we're talking about probabilities.
To have any data to back that up? Or is it merely speculation ?
"Yes, let me hear it." **looks down at signature** "Nevermind."
Haha. But for real, I've never reused an oil filter before, but figured if I'm not hurting anything and can save a few $ then why not, But I'd love to hear what you've got. I'm all about learning! [/quote]
I just think, IMHO, that a new oil filter is just cheap insurance. I mean, yes, the small amount of dirty oil left in a used oil filter "should" not harm anything, but, why take a chance?
Even Honda recommends to use an oil filter twice. I am guessing the engineers have done a lot of testing and know what they are talking about. But, I will ALWAYS use a new oil filter at every OCI.
You do what makes you sleep better at night.
"One Filter, One OCI!" [/quote]
cheap insurance against what? You were just running this oil over the last few weeks of an OCI. It didn't suddenly turn into acid the day you decided to change your oil. The second OCI the filter is filtering at a higher efficiency. [/quote]
Ok, this might be true. But, to me it's still cheap insurance to use a new filter at every OCI. You do as you want without me telling you how to do it, and vice versa. Capiche?
"One Filter, One OCI!" [/quote]
ah the old "cheap insurance" argument. I always change my filter every OCI but if a company like Honda recommends every OTHER OCI, I am going to have to believe they have some data to back that up and not the old "cheap insurance" argument. Can you imagine, a Honda engineer shows up to report his results and says, we have decided, change the filter every OCI because it's "cheap insurance" or better yet, "it helps me sleep at night"....lol
Haha. But for real, I've never reused an oil filter before, but figured if I'm not hurting anything and can save a few $ then why not, But I'd love to hear what you've got. I'm all about learning! [/quote]
I just think, IMHO, that a new oil filter is just cheap insurance. I mean, yes, the small amount of dirty oil left in a used oil filter "should" not harm anything, but, why take a chance?
Even Honda recommends to use an oil filter twice. I am guessing the engineers have done a lot of testing and know what they are talking about. But, I will ALWAYS use a new oil filter at every OCI.
You do what makes you sleep better at night.
"One Filter, One OCI!" [/quote]
cheap insurance against what? You were just running this oil over the last few weeks of an OCI. It didn't suddenly turn into acid the day you decided to change your oil. The second OCI the filter is filtering at a higher efficiency. [/quote]
Ok, this might be true. But, to me it's still cheap insurance to use a new filter at every OCI. You do as you want without me telling you how to do it, and vice versa. Capiche?
"One Filter, One OCI!" [/quote]
ah the old "cheap insurance" argument. I always change my filter every OCI but if a company like Honda recommends every OTHER OCI, I am going to have to believe they have some data to back that up and not the old "cheap insurance" argument. Can you imagine, a Honda engineer shows up to report his results and says, we have decided, change the filter every OCI because it's "cheap insurance" or better yet, "it helps me sleep at night"....lol
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Although I'm staying neutral here in whether or not running a filter multiple OCI's is good or not... I do have to respond to this:
Originally Posted By: philipp10
The second OCI the filter is filtering at a higher efficiency.
Higher efficiency, but lower flow rate.
~ Triton
Originally Posted By: philipp10
The second OCI the filter is filtering at a higher efficiency.
Higher efficiency, but lower flow rate.
~ Triton
Originally Posted By: philipp10
ah the old "cheap insurance" argument. I always change my filter every OCI but if a company like Honda recommends every OTHER OCI, I am going to have to believe they have some data to back that up and not the old "cheap insurance" argument. Can you imagine, a Honda engineer shows up to report his results and says, we have decided, change the filter every OCI because it's "cheap insurance" or better yet, "it helps me sleep at night"....lol
Say what you want, do as you please. No one here is telling anyone else how they "SHOULD" do their OCI! It's mere suggestions.
I think I see a big ole hook coming straight for you!
ah the old "cheap insurance" argument. I always change my filter every OCI but if a company like Honda recommends every OTHER OCI, I am going to have to believe they have some data to back that up and not the old "cheap insurance" argument. Can you imagine, a Honda engineer shows up to report his results and says, we have decided, change the filter every OCI because it's "cheap insurance" or better yet, "it helps me sleep at night"....lol
Say what you want, do as you please. No one here is telling anyone else how they "SHOULD" do their OCI! It's mere suggestions.
I think I see a big ole hook coming straight for you!
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Although I'm staying neutral here in whether or not running a filter multiple OCI's is good or not... I do have to respond to this:
Originally Posted By: philipp10
The second OCI the filter is filtering at a higher efficiency.
Higher efficiency, but lower flow rate.
~ Triton
I agree. I think sometimes we place to much value on efficiency and not enough on flow. Two sides to the coin.
Although I'm staying neutral here in whether or not running a filter multiple OCI's is good or not... I do have to respond to this:
Originally Posted By: philipp10
The second OCI the filter is filtering at a higher efficiency.
Higher efficiency, but lower flow rate.
~ Triton
I agree. I think sometimes we place to much value on efficiency and not enough on flow. Two sides to the coin.
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