Japan had invaded China well before WWII started. The USA had taken China's side, providing them training, supplies, and "unofficial" air support (American pilots and planes dropping bombs on Japanese troops)-- all before Pearl Harbor. The Japanese striking Pearl Harbor was not unprovoked.
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Yes, we've discussed this before I believe? The "Rape of Nanking" was but one event in the series of atrocities committed by the Japanese against the Chinese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
Yes 1937-40 soviet had few thousand troops there. China was allmost under Japanese control. Both sides did take heavy losses. So many that they lost count. Really insane death numbers if you look it up.
Communication issues the reason why WW2 ended september 2 1945. Who know the truth why acually Soviet did not get this message or the Japanese soliders in China. Same happend when Russia Japan war in 1904 when Japan declared war on Russia, and "Russia didnt got to war declartion from them" and started to wine about international war laws. Meanwhile They did attack Sweden witout warning.. you see Russians think other shall follow the law but it dosent include them self.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens with Taiwan.
They are very concerned. China is really upping their aggression, by the day it seems.
Nothing... Winnie Puuh talks much. Just like the rocketman in NK
China wants to build bases just a stones throw from Australia in Malaysia I think. This is turning into a chess game.
Yes, and they will shoot them self in the foot IF they go to war agaist Taiwan. With bad luck this can turn out to be the next world war.
I'm writing this based on the "official" middle school history book where I was raised (due to historical reason the history book ends at 1949 so it won't offend any then current government in Taiwan and Mainland).
1) Russia and Japan's hostility goes way back, so far back many Russians blame their empire's collapse to their loss to Japan in Siberia and their control of North East China (a huge piece of land was lost from China to Russia back then, and then to Japan, and then finally some part of it back to China). If you ever see the photo of Abe visiting Putin you'll see Putin greeted Abe with a pit bull or similar, and Abe was playing with that dog like a friend's house pet.
2) KMT back in the Sun Yat Sen's day (the brother in law of Chang Kai Shek) was actually very pro Japan. Back when the Manchurians' Qing dynasty was still around, students went to Japan for college, and formed the revolutionary militia who later became the KMT / Revolutionary party. After Sun Yat Sen's death there's a power struggle between the pro Japan Wang Jingwei fraction and the pro America Chang Kai Shek fraction. The party actually split in 2 during WW2 after the capture of Nanking (the former capital). As expected the Wang's fraction surrendered and resume civil government operation while Chang's fraction retreated to fight. At the same time these 2 fractions send assassins to each other, and at the same time fighting the USSR backed CCP led by Mao. As you might expect in this 4 way war, Japan easily captured a lot of area very quickly, and many of the civilians got very upset about how incompetents were their warlords.
3) Japan's puppet nation in the north (Manchuria), figure headed by the former empire of Qing, was captured by USSR right before Japan surrendered, with industrial infrastructure striped and sent to USSR. The location was hold by USSR and then given to Mao and became the base where CCP advanced southward.
4) Due to the power struggle between Chang's and Wang's fractions, many of the KMT military eventually defect to Mao, including the officers from the famous Whampoa Military Academy (sort of like the West Point in the US). Chang was not a competent military leader and he prioritize his own power over his military campaign. He had a tendency of imprisoning or executing his own generals when they became too influential or seen as a rising star in foreign political circle (this continue well into his days after retreating to Taiwan). Oftentimes he would use generals he could trust but lost the entire force, running away from the post, hiding in the mountain instead of at the frontline, etc. Chang and his family was also famous for being very corrupted (according to Truman's note). What's more? He passed his presidential position to his son after he died (fortunately his son was actually a very competent and good politician who laid the good foundation of today's Taiwan).
1) Russia and Japan's hostility goes way back, so far back many Russians blame their empire's collapse to their loss to Japan in Siberia and their control of North East China (a huge piece of land was lost from China to Russia back then, and then to Japan, and then finally some part of it back to China). If you ever see the photo of Abe visiting Putin you'll see Putin greeted Abe with a pit bull or similar, and Abe was playing with that dog like a friend's house pet.
2) KMT back in the Sun Yat Sen's day (the brother in law of Chang Kai Shek) was actually very pro Japan. Back when the Manchurians' Qing dynasty was still around, students went to Japan for college, and formed the revolutionary militia who later became the KMT / Revolutionary party. After Sun Yat Sen's death there's a power struggle between the pro Japan Wang Jingwei fraction and the pro America Chang Kai Shek fraction. The party actually split in 2 during WW2 after the capture of Nanking (the former capital). As expected the Wang's fraction surrendered and resume civil government operation while Chang's fraction retreated to fight. At the same time these 2 fractions send assassins to each other, and at the same time fighting the USSR backed CCP led by Mao. As you might expect in this 4 way war, Japan easily captured a lot of area very quickly, and many of the civilians got very upset about how incompetents were their warlords.
3) Japan's puppet nation in the north (Manchuria), figure headed by the former empire of Qing, was captured by USSR right before Japan surrendered, with industrial infrastructure striped and sent to USSR. The location was hold by USSR and then given to Mao and became the base where CCP advanced southward.
4) Due to the power struggle between Chang's and Wang's fractions, many of the KMT military eventually defect to Mao, including the officers from the famous Whampoa Military Academy (sort of like the West Point in the US). Chang was not a competent military leader and he prioritize his own power over his military campaign. He had a tendency of imprisoning or executing his own generals when they became too influential or seen as a rising star in foreign political circle (this continue well into his days after retreating to Taiwan). Oftentimes he would use generals he could trust but lost the entire force, running away from the post, hiding in the mountain instead of at the frontline, etc. Chang and his family was also famous for being very corrupted (according to Truman's note). What's more? He passed his presidential position to his son after he died (fortunately his son was actually a very competent and good politician who laid the good foundation of today's Taiwan).
Regarding to Japan having nuke, I'm not sure how would US react to it as I would assume there's anger from South Korea as well as part of Taiwan (despite one of their political party being pro Japan, the other is still KMT), as well as other nations like Phillipine. I would imagine if anything it would be US bringing its own warhead there instead of letting Japan having a functional warhead. It would be like giving a pardoned former murderer a spot in the FBI, not going to sit well with many victim's family. Beside, JDF is supposedly part of their police department, since when would a police department have nuke?
Regarding to Taiwan, I don't think CCP want to take it back right now, they just want to keep kicking the can down the hall so the current government don't have to deal with Taiwan going "independent" so they have to face their local opposition / rebellion issue in other area. What they have been saying for decades, is that as long as Taiwan isn't going formally independent (they have been illegitimately independent since 1949) things can stay still. If they go independent they would assure a mutual destruction so the US / Taiwan / Japan / South Korea if they join in, better think twice before they act, because life is good now and life would be hell after massive war, everyone in the world would be worse off, and it is not worth it. The DPP party in Taiwan was using independence and their own flag as campaign tool, but after winning their elections, they too calculated that it is not a good idea to go independent and never declare independence. This would likely remain the situation for another 50+ years, regardless of who is in power in Taiwan, China, US, or Japan. One exception: if mainland China started a civil war or Yeltsin style coup, then Taiwan might siege the opportunity to go independent.
Regarding to Taiwan, I don't think CCP want to take it back right now, they just want to keep kicking the can down the hall so the current government don't have to deal with Taiwan going "independent" so they have to face their local opposition / rebellion issue in other area. What they have been saying for decades, is that as long as Taiwan isn't going formally independent (they have been illegitimately independent since 1949) things can stay still. If they go independent they would assure a mutual destruction so the US / Taiwan / Japan / South Korea if they join in, better think twice before they act, because life is good now and life would be hell after massive war, everyone in the world would be worse off, and it is not worth it. The DPP party in Taiwan was using independence and their own flag as campaign tool, but after winning their elections, they too calculated that it is not a good idea to go independent and never declare independence. This would likely remain the situation for another 50+ years, regardless of who is in power in Taiwan, China, US, or Japan. One exception: if mainland China started a civil war or Yeltsin style coup, then Taiwan might siege the opportunity to go independent.
Recalling their ambassador over the fact that they lost a business deal? Really?
The French had to know that this was a possibility.
https://ktvz.com/news/ap-national-n...ls-ambassadors-to-us-australia-over-sub-deal/
The French had to know that this was a possibility.
https://ktvz.com/news/ap-national-n...ls-ambassadors-to-us-australia-over-sub-deal/
They did know. The French deal was signed in 2016 but France dilly dallied and nothing happened. Apparently Morrison told Macron earlier this year to do something or else.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/scott-morrison-warns-france-submarine-deal-deadline/100221350
From my understanding the French diesel sub deal was a big fiasco from day one and many people had recognized that for a isolated country like Australia the superior range and endurance of nuclear powered subs was what was really needed all along. Modern diesel subs can suffice for European countries with limited coastline like Germany but Australia is a whole other ball game. I'm glad to see that Australia is finally aware that the intentions of a certain northern neighbour are less than noble to put it politely.
Apparently nuclear subs were off the table when they signed the deal, because of fukushima still being fresh in the memory. The French subs were to be designed so they can be converted to nuclear later, if needed.
Now, nuclear subs are a possibility politically and it's maybe cheaper to buy nuclear subs. Maybe. What development program doesn't cost significantly more than first projected?
Now, nuclear subs are a possibility politically and it's maybe cheaper to buy nuclear subs. Maybe. What development program doesn't cost significantly more than first projected?
Without knowing much, I agree with sharing the technology with Australia. I look at Australia as one of our stable allies.
The problem is, as we share technology, enemies such as China and Russia will have more avenues to spy/steal it from us creating a direct threat. I can only assume our government and friendly governments we share with can control the spying and there are safeguards in place that can't be defeated if there is such a thing.
The problem is, as we share technology, enemies such as China and Russia will have more avenues to spy/steal it from us creating a direct threat. I can only assume our government and friendly governments we share with can control the spying and there are safeguards in place that can't be defeated if there is such a thing.
That's not the big problem, the real problem is that we will run them on 15W40, when the engines were designed for 0W20, and the thick oil will stretch out the engine from inside.
On a more serious note, is this also the Australian government start of introducing the concept of domestic nuclear energy for a country that is strongly reliant on fossil fuel for power production? Granted, not the central reason for the subs, but a little side idea that is coming along for the ride.
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This is a gloriously ridiculous idea, so if it came from the French perhaps its true
The internal arrangements of a submarine are incredibly complex and the sorts of allowances and accommodations necessary to permit a change of this magnitude would be huge. This is all about the improved capability over a diesel vs. the pacing threat. Throw in some apparently lousy results to date from the deal with France and it was probably a pretty easy call for the Aussies. And it works out great for us because there'll be another dozen Virginia class subs out there, fighting on our side.
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no, they didn't say virginia class subs. From what I can tell it's a new design? not virginia, not astute. That's why I suspect there will be budget overruns.This is a gloriously ridiculous idea, so if it came from the French perhaps its true
This is all about the improved capability over a diesel vs. the pacing threat. Throw in some apparently lousy results to date from the deal with France and it was probably a pretty easy call for the Aussies. And it works out great for us because there'll be another dozen Virginia class subs out there, fighting on our side.
jeff
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