Good point(s) and if the U.S. thinks the economy is a bit tanked now due to labor shortage, try doing something idiotic like trying to push EV much more on those that want no part of it, can't afford it, etc. There won't be much of a labor workforce then, so this country will really collapse due to the DAF 'clean energy' movement. I'm all for cleaner air and have taken an electric approach on a few things to minimize my health deterioration, but pushing a POS EV on the backroads that I drive often due to NO charging stations won't help the asthma much, lmao.
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I'd say some would as most in my area live in rented townhomes, apartments, etc... very few complexes such as these would realistically foot the bill for charging efforts.
True, as long as you don't wake up to a house burning away due to EV charging, lmaoa...
Yep and some things can stay in Californie'
Who is kicking and screaming, lmao? I simply laugh at all the 'clean energy' B.S. being pushed constantly. FWIW I live less than 30 mins from the upcoming Toyota 'megasite' and drive by it often. It's quite a huge undertaking with the tree removal, blasting, mess created in the area, roadways altered to accommodate heavy traffic and I'm quite certain all of that destruction isn't ideal for that local environment, not to mention the noise/mess/traffic rerouting the locals have to deal with as it's across the street from a handful of homes. I'm quite certain that all I have seen done in that area for months has been using ICE sources. So when will the EV movement really kick in and prove valuable/useful?!?
Sure developing nations like China us more in total, but No 1 the majority of that energy usage goes towards satisfying global demand. This is where the concept of exporting ones pollution comes from. For example US consumers want cheaper goods to purchase consequently some of those goods come from less energy efficient more polluting economies such as China and India. Even with the huge trade deficit with China the US #2 in the world (behind China) in total CO2 emissions and on per capita basis.
So lets compare the US to the EU since the GDP between both economic zones have been similar for some 20 years and the difference in population is only 100M (US has less). US per capita CO2 emissions is essentially double compared to the EU.
Your post....exactly. Many $30,000.00 EV's by the major manufacturers coming.
Honestly who really cares? Doesn't mean it will be accepted by the masses, plain and simple! They can build all they want and take a serious loss when the crap doesn't sell... There really is no win/win with everybody and never will be.
Currently there are issues with cat converter theft with ICE... so guess that will give thieves a new outlet to strip wiring out of the EVs hitting the road... while they're at it might as well steal the battery setup too...
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The wind blows at night too. Also we are moving into power storage systems.
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Absolutely, I think we have been over this before. And this includes things like solar panels, where China is the world's largest manufacturer by a huge margin. And then this stuff is shipped across the ocean in a ship burning bunker C.
Yes, but US emissions are declining, while India's are rising at more than twice the rate. As I noted, Canada has the highest per capita, due to our spread-out population and northernly climate. Indonesia's are also on the rise. Australia is in a similar boat to Canada with a low, spread-out population, but their issue is air conditioning not heat. Their per capita is 2nd behind ours.
As I mentioned, it is these emerging economies, as their population tries to gain our standard of living, due to the volume of people, this will drive up emissions rapidly. India is still far behind China in that department, but as the cost of business has increased in China, and issues with dealing with their government, companies are looking to India and other emerging nations. This is where there needs to be focus because coal plants are still being constructed to service this demand, so the West should be trying to aide these regions in in developing cleaner sources of electricity so they don't have to go through all the same nonsense the West has had to go through.
As much as Russia is in the news right now, prior to the Ukraine situation, Rosatom, their atomic energy arm, was doing just that, partnering with emerging economies to build VVER nukes instead of coal plants.
The EU average is dragged down by Norway, Sweden, France...etc. France's per capita emissions are roughly half Germany's for example. There are a lot of very clean grids in the EU that aide in dragging down the overall average.
Of course that's not the only thing. They have a ton of public transport and European cities aren't the sprawl with the commutes and stuff we have here, the culture is quite different as is the layout.
But, per the earlier bit, Europe exported lots of their manufacturing to China (and other parts of Asia) too.
Anyways, back to my point, focusing on per capita can be misleading. We could shutdown Canada, which has higher per capita emissions than the USA, and it would have no impact because our share of global emissions is so small. The focus needs to be on the large overall emitters and those on the trajectory to increase their emissions dramatically as their standard of living rises.
Somewhat OT, but I recently learned in a chat on twitter that the average household electricity usage per month in the UK is only ~250kWh! Average here in Ontario is ~750kWh, average in Quebec is ~1,800kWh, because everything is electric in Quebec, while in Ontario, most people heat with gas or some other fossil source like propane. In the UK, they not only heat with gas, but they also cook and launder with it, so their gas usage is about 3x their electricity usage. Germany is similar with heavy dependance on gas because their electricity is so expensive. That's part of their predicament for this winter, as they rely heavily on Russian gas imports.
Quebec on the other hand, has some of, if not the cheapest electricity in North America and so it was natural for people to heat with it. They also have very high EV uptake for the same reason.
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The wind also doesn't blow at night, sometimes for weeks at a time. Storage systems, particularly if we are talking batteries, aren't storing weeks of power. People really have no idea of the scale required to firm VRE with storage. The "big battery" in South Australia is almost exclusively used for FCAS, as it doesn't have the capacity to firm anything. For firming you need huge, long duration storage like a PHES project, and these are extremely expensive, difficult to permit, take years to get EA's done for, and permanently alter the landscape and nature.
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Yeah, nothing to do with EV. Everything to do with Texas. Only energy policy worse then German, is Texas one.
Not after 1am. But the main point is, if you look at the duck curve, you pretty much can always see time that people don't use much electricity is at night when they are sleeping. Even if you use AC at night it will use way less than during day time energy consumption wise.
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That is depending on the state.
I never turned off A/C while I lived in Alabama. Once tornado went through power lines, and those were the 3 most miserable days of my life, and I crawled under Sarajevo airport during the war in 1994 through 1ft of water accompanied by rats.
In Colorado on other hand, I think I turned A/C this year maybe 6-7 days. At night A/C is usually on bcs. high wind.
People tends to forget, we tend to eat what is local as a society due to cost, and culture forms around it. Energy source will be the next one for "use what is local". It make sense for Russia to ignore global warming (it is actually good for them) because they have lots of oil and gas, and Canada / France / Norway to use EVs because they have lots of hydro or nuke.
China would be interesting because they actually don't want pollution but they have to use whatever they can to avoid being choked by 1 source. This is especially true for oil as all either getting Russia or US upset would be enough to lock their whole economy down like what is happening in Sri Lanka today, also the same for coal from Mongola and Australia.
Why would people in Texas care about EV when they have almost unlimited cheap oil and most new roads are toll paid instead of fuel tax paid?
This is the main reason we want a bigger grid, to stabilize the demand and supply.
Actually when I was living in San Francisco most homes do not have an AC (if you do you will only turn it on maybe 1 week / year like you did). In Santa Clara county I think I turn on about 25% of the days in the summer and 10% of the days in the fall, total usage is about maybe 150kwh per month for the AC in the summer months and about 75kwh per month for the fall months.
Still, looking at the grid's duck curve is the way to go. You need to see the curve, subtract solar and wind (and maybe hydro if it is seasonal), and you will see how much EV charging capacity is available at night.
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Many houses here in CO don't have A/C. I have seen some houses built a few years back without it. I stayed in a hotel in Breckenridge this weekend that does not have A/C.
But, solar here in CO are popping out like mushrooms after rain.
