US Crosses the Electric-Car Tipping Point for Mass Adoption

Population CA = 37 million EV market share approx 10%
Population Norway = 5.5 million EV Market Share Approx 54%

RIght now only about 20% or less of the population can own one in the US and one has to admit, the taxes on gas in CA are off the wall. Much like the taxes on ICE vehicles in Norway.
I pay $3.49 here in SC, Same Costco someplace in CA is $5.09

Meaning people are being pushed into EVs in some other countries and non EV owners are subsidizing purchasers of EVs on others. This isnt an Organic transformation to EVs.
In addition, the non EV owners are not actually contributing, it’s just that they now own a larger share of the the US deficit which is where the money is actually coming from.
 
There are still a lot of issues with hydrogen as a fuel source (i.e. fuel cells) as I mentioned earlier in this thread:

Safety - hydrogen go boom, boom
Inefficiency - the hydrogen fuel cycle takes > 40% more electricity to move a car down the road than the equivalent EV
Infrastructure - plug in charging stations cost a tiny fraction of hydrogen production equipment
Back when we were doing hybrid cars in school, we had 1 team in the competition from another university doing hydrogen fuel cell instead of hybrid (electric wasn't viable at the time as NiMh was the best they could get).

The conclusion of design analysis was that it would only make sense to crack hydrogen with a nuclear power plant designed with thermo-chemical process. All other method of cracking hydrogen is financially inefficient.

Then you need to have a relatively large battery for the hydrogen fuel cell car too, like a hybrid size, otherwise it won't be fast enough in power draw and you will stall when you step on the accelerator.
 
Here are two screen shots about EV sales. One confirms California BEV sales are at 15.8 %. The other one shows California’s planned percentages to reach 100% by 2035. Notice the other states are dragging badly behind California. Enjoy.

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I'm not sure the vast majority of people who own these EVs understand just how much electricity these things consume. Your present day energy star 23CuFt fridge consumes about 1.2-1.5Kwh per day, you could run that fridge for 3 months on the energy it takes to charge one of these a single time.
I have an off-grid remote building, it has 8 240W panels and 8 6V 225Ah batteries. It has been operating for 15 years so I have a good history of production averages. At the peak of PV seasonal production, it would take me 2 weeks to charge a Model 3 battery and I normally power 3 chest freezers with the same setup and have excess power at all times of the year. In Jan/Feb, it would take me a month to charge a Model 3.
That is what charge times with true zero emissions looks like. (Not even true zero as there is a carbon footprint for panel manufacture and replacements batteries etc. but WAAAY closer to zero than a roadside supercharger station)
 
I didn’t realize this thread was a few months old. Since I couldn’t load the original article I checked out other sources. None gave me the answer.


Where did this 5% number come from?
 
I wouldnt mind a bolt instead of the elantra. swap out the commuter car.
take it everywhere local commute plug in for cheap.
car averages about 30-35mpg
say 30gal a month at $5 $150
or 30gal a month at $4 = $120

Bolt will get at least 3miles per kwh. real world seems like 3.1 to 3.5 is reasonable.
my all in cost is about 15cents per kwh thats delivery taxes etc.. its actually slightly cheaper if I use more as some of the fees dont scale.
so at 3miles per kwh thats $50 in electricity. for 1000 miles.

And pretty sure 200hp bolt is at least as fun to drive as a 135hp elantra.


Now still need something that can tow and go at least 120miles while towing.. which I dont think the bolt would quite make it even if it could tow.
for example in my jeep the mpg goes from 25-28 to 15mpg when towing it.

Might just do both trade in the elantra which is worth 4000 more than paid for new in oct 2020.
and trade in the jeep on a 2023 cx-50 possibly.
I know this is an old post but I have a Bolt so I thought I would respond. If you use oem tires you will be closer to 4 miles per kwh. Unless you have a lead foot. Driving electric can save a lot of money ... I paid about $175 to fuel my car for the previous year.

The Bolt is likely significantly faster than the Elantra. The advertised specs are 0-60 in 6.4 sec. There is no transmission downshifting to wait for. Also you have all that instant torque.

Chevy does not have a tow rating for the Bolt. While the car has plenty of power to tow, the frame in the back is not heavy duty enough to tow heavy stuff. Bolt owners do tow with their cars, but we are talking small trailers and lighter weight.

Electric vehicles seem to take a hit in range similar to your Jeep. Around 50%.
 
Your 240V outlet is a big deal, especially if adding one requires upgrading your service panel. Older houses may have 60A (or something like that) service. Big bucks...

In Silicon Valley companies looking for employees advertise subsidized of even free charging. And perspective
Here are two screen shots about EV sales. One confirms California BEV sales are at 15.8 %. The other one shows California’s planned percentages to reach 100% by 2035. Notice the other states are dragging badly behind California. Enjoy.
Dragging badly behind California buying a car? How is that?
Other than agenda driven for whatever reason, what difference does the power source matter?
Its a car, much of America enjoys nice big SUV ICE types for comfort, convenience and value on the wide open USA roads.
So much so that some states feel the need to force EVs on the population but other states won't force people to buy EVs.
Its all up to the voters in each state.
 
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Got it, yes, I think that part was agenda driven by the EV spin doctors.


I dislike it when the media throws numbers or whatever out like that without any source or reference. Others published the same thing but referred to Bloomberg which was a dead end.

Back in the day 5% of car owners drove AMC Gremlins and Pacers. That didn’t work out. 😉
 
When prices enter 1.00+ a kWh like it has it in europe, the ROI on your electric vehicle quickly diminishes, especially give the up front costs. Dont get me started with "emissions" for these vehicles. The EPA label doesn't let you compare the emissions debt of an EV compared with gasoline.
 
I dislike it when the media throws numbers or whatever out like that without any source or reference. Others published the same thing but referred to Bloomberg which was a dead end.

Back in the day 5% of car owners drove AMC Gremlins and Pacers. That didn’t work out. 😉
Political Science denier! 🤣
 
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