upper cylnder lube

[electrolover]

ive read alot of posts on mmo lucas and 2 cycle oil. my question is do you have carbon build up after long periods of use. like clogged pcv or cats stopping up or plugs failing early? its something im very interested in!!
i have ran gummout 3in1 with the uppercylinder lube and got 1-2 mpg more but its ten bucks so not very cost effective and i worry about carbon build up so i only run it every oil change(3k btw. but i use alot of b12 and seafoam. and i try to atleast run a cheap injector cleaner every other tank. i have a 04 5.4 so im trying to keep carbon out of the picture so its a little easier come tune up time.
also do you guys have any probs with your o2 sensors goin out?

when i had my pos nissan i ran lucas fuel injector cleaner and upper end lube(the big bottle for diesel i think)one bottle would last me several tanks and got a few mpgs but that car was so old i didnt care about long term effects

 

[FMC]

This is my process for cleaning out carbon and maintenance, I know it worked for me because I could see the top of the piston thru the spark plug hole, also I just did a tune up and had to remove the upper intake manifold, it gave me a look at the intake ports and valves, nice and clean. There was some carbon on the piston that is now gone, it's not 100% clean but very close to it.

I used Techron concentrate plus for inital treatment, then began to use MMO for a couple of months, did another Techron treatment and will continue to use MMO indefinitely.

Stick to the 4oz/10gal MMO and make sure the Techron is not diluted with to much fuel, err on the side of a stronger Techron ratio.

My father used MMO in all of his cars, he swore by it, it's been around since 1928, so it must be doing something good.

 

[Loobed]

I saw a very slight rise in my smog emission report after 2 years and ~20,000 miles (between 50K and 70K). The NO went from 1/0 to 28/27. The average of all engines like mine is 29/25. The Max allowed is 992/852. My CO2 went down, and my HC went up from 1 to 2 (max is ~100).

I ask my friend if it was bad to have my NO go up, and he said anything could make it go up 25 points. He said if the engine was cold, it would raise the NO.

 

[electrolover]

so you can get the benefits of an ucl without carbon build up?
and ill give the techron a shot i look at it all the time

 

[Loobed]

Originally Posted By: electrolover
so you can get the benefits of an ucl without carbon build up?
and ill give the techron a shot i look at it all the time


I have not seen a significant amount of buildup to warrant me to stop using it.

 

[electrolover]

i really dont know what ur talkin about i dont live in an emissions county. so i take it mmo did not clog up your cats then?
i mean heck id run 2 cycle oil if i knew someone that had run it a while on a late model without problems.

 

[chubbs1]

Stay away from the 2-cycl idea for new cars. It has to be so immaculately measured and really just there are plain better ways to lube the UCL's and keep the fuel system clean. Redline SL-1 has a a good amount of cleaning additive (PEA) more than Techron, but Techron and MMO would be my next best to SL-1 and MMO. Just stay away from the 2 cyc. oil and keep your PCV changed at your manufacturers suggested interval about 15k usually and try to use OEM for that part. They are pretty cheap anyway and designed for your ride. Take care!! Run that oil a little longer...lol

 

[J. A. Rizzo]

Originally Posted By: FMC
My father used MMO in all of his cars, he swore by it, it's been around since 1928, so it must be doing something good.


It's very interesting that you don't know what good it does, but you continue to do it because "...he swore by it," and because it's been around for a long time. If you don't know what good it does, and there are unknown risks involved, why continue to use it? Won't the engine outlive the rest of the car anyway, with or without this expensive maintenance program?

 

[FMC]

Originally Posted By: J. A. Rizzo
Originally Posted By: FMC
My father used MMO in all of his cars, he swore by it, it's been around since 1928, so it must be doing something good.


It's very interesting that you don't know what good it does, but you continue to do it because "...he swore by it," and because it's been around for a long time. If you don't know what good it does, and there are unknown risks involved, why continue to use it? Won't the engine outlive the rest of the car anyway, with or without this expensive maintenance program?


I do know "what good it does" UCL and mild cleaner, it's been in use by the motoring public for a very, very long time, would a product that didn't have positive outcomes, still be on the shelves and being sold since 1928 ? If you want to optimize performance and fuel economy, you need to have a fuel system regimin, just gasoline will not do it alone. Another aspect with fuel pumps being electrical/mechanical and in the fuel tank submerged in fuel is the lubricity MMO provides, pumps will last longer.

 

[electrolover]

Originally Posted By: J. A. Rizzo
Originally Posted By: FMC
My father used MMO in all of his cars, he swore by it, it's been around since 1928, so it must be doing something good.


It's very interesting that you don't know what good it does, but you continue to do it because "...he swore by it," and because it's been around for a long time. If you don't know what good it does, and there are unknown risks involved, why continue to use it? Won't the engine outlive the rest of the car anyway, with or without this expensive maintenance program?



i really wasnt lookin to start an argument, i just wanted to use an affordable ucl for mpgs ya know? i have seen alot on mmo and before and after pics of engines that use it. i think as a flush its a good idea well im willing to give it a shot and for the price wth.


so no one has had any probs with the mmo in the gas then? i run seafoam alot so i might try it, even if it ashes a bit the seafoam should get rid of that right?

how much does the techron addy cost btw?


oh and have you noticed mpg improvements?? with tech or mmo?
i know when i run seafoam i loose an mpg or two while its in the tank. i think it raises the octaine and im due for a tune up lol

 

[FMC]

My fuel computer in the Ford 500 is very accurate, with city/highway combined daily routine, before 17.2 mpg, now 19.0 mpg.

 

[electrolover]

Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Stay away from the 2-cycl idea for new cars. It has to be so immaculately measured and really just there are plain better ways to lube the UCL's and keep the fuel system clean. Redline SL-1 has a a good amount of cleaning additive (PEA) more than Techron, but Techron and MMO would be my next best to SL-1 and MMO. Just stay away from the 2 cyc. oil and keep your PCV changed at your manufacturers suggested interval about 15k usually and try to use OEM for that part. They are pretty cheap anyway and designed for your ride. Take care!! Run that oil a little longer...lol



thanx for the tips
i might run this oil 3500 lol ill try to anyway
lol its hard not to change it, i like doing it so much

 

[J. A. Rizzo]

I still haven't heard any tangible, proveable benefits to this snake oil stuff. Just a bunch of speculation and guesswork. Does using this stuff save any money or just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?

 

[keesue]

It makes my fuel pumps run nice and quiet. I also noted an overall 'smoothness' in the fuel delivery. After 30 years of owning my car, I have a fairly good 'feel' for how it runs. It is empirical evidence to me that it works, and for that alone, I use it. The increases in mpg others have experienced suggests there is some correlation. I don't see a noticeable increase mpg but I have not measured my usage precisely due to the many differing variables in my driving. Further, the fact that it has been used by a plethora of diverse users over the course of its existence tends to suggest there is some credibility to its use. I don't think a placebo effect could survive the test of that amount of time.

Lastly, it has also been reported that it was used in the fuel for piston driven airplanes by the government during the second world war. That may or may not be relevant depending on one's point of view. I'd still be interested in more scientific analysis; however, I don't discount the significant experiential evidence to its efficacy.

 

[Loobed]

Originally Posted By: J. A. Rizzo
Does using this stuff save any money or just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?


I can't say 100% that it saves money on gas, but it makes my fuel pump and injectors last longer, which could be interpreted as saving money.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: FMC
My fuel computer in the Ford 500 is very accurate, with city/highway combined daily routine, before 17.2 mpg, now 19.0 mpg.


Here's a member saving money on gas, nice money even factoring in the cost of the MMO. These pages are scattered with people reporting gains in mpg. JMO

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: J. A. Rizzo
I still haven't heard any tangible, proveable benefits to this snake oil stuff. Just a bunch of speculation and guesswork. Does using this stuff save any money or just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?


Just the fact that you refer to it as 'this snake oil stuff' means you're never going to hear anything you consider proof, as your mind is made up already. So why keep repeating yourself and insisting we justify UCLs to you when you think they're all snake oil.

Here's a simple solution: you aren't going to change the minds of anyone here who are using UCLs and seeing benefits from them by repeating the 'snake oil' mantra; we are similarly wasting our time proving something to someone whose mind is already made up - especially when nobody here needs to prove anything they use to you.

You think UCLs are snake oil - fine. Why waste your time, and ours, in threads about UCLs.

If this thread were Survivor, I'd be voting you off the island for adding nothing of substance to the discussion, or the OPs questions.

-Spyder