Up oil weight with high mile engines?

OK. I'm open for suggestions on oil grades. 13' CRV AWD K24 engine / original owner/ 0W20 it's whole life / 614, 877K on the ODO. I maintain it. I'm in New York. Avg temps 20-90 degrees. 3k OCI's . Daily driver.. What is the preferred grade at that mileage ?????? And yes, it starting to get a bit clackity clack when hot/ warmed up. Had valves adjusted 3X already. I'm thinking the clackity clack are worn bearings. No piston raps, or crank shutter. Idles beautiful.
No - the clacking noise you are hearing is your valvetrain. It's not silent, and if an oil quiets it down, it's temporary until it has some miles on it. Besides that, the K24 exhaust valves get tighter with mileage between adjustments, not looser. Intake valves get looser with mileage. I always adjust my intake valves to the minimum of the tolerance and exhaust valves to the maximum of the tolerance. The K24 exhaust valves also are know to slam shut after each opening. If you had a bad bearing, you would hear a knock, not clicking and clacking.
 
But there is no such thing as a 25 grade. Mixing those two viscosities will just result in the final viscosity possibly being somewhere between 8.5-10.5 cst at 100c, so somewhere between the top end of the 20 grade range to the bottom end of the 30 grade range. And mixing different oils is no guarantee that they will work together like people think. Playing “backyard chemist” doesn’t make a better oil than the oil manufacturers can do. Just find an oil that has the exact same viscosity that you desire in the first place instead of trying to create your own.
My neighbor oil guzzling 03 Honda CR-V received Maxlife Blend 5w20 at last oil change. 400 miles (1.5 months) later the oil level had dropped from Full Mark to Add Mark. So I added 1 quart of Maxlife Blend 5w30. I intend to keep adding Maxlife Blend 5w30 as needed until next OCI. Then at next OCI put in 5w30 Valvoline Restore and Protect.

Until next OCI (a year from now), I have a few quarts of 5w20 & 5w30 Maxlife Blend in my stash that I'd like to use up and this car needs another quart of oil every 400 miles.

I don't think mixing two viscosities of Maxlife Blend is playing backyard chemist because it's the same base oils and same additives in both the 5w20 & 5w30 MLB Also, I'm not doing it to get a middle viscosity. I'm just trying to use up the MLB that I have and keep the oil level up.

I don't think mixing two different viscosities of the same oil is playing backyard chemist. At least not in any way that's detrimental. The result (a middle viscosity) is predictable, IMO. The base oils and additives are the same.

I think playing backyard chemist is when people mix two different oil product lines, or mix brands, or use oil additives. IMO that is backyard chemistry with unpredictable results.
 
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@Spring Break '92 : Thanks for you post. I didn't know intake valves tend to get loser and exhaust ones tighter with age.
I'm guessing that applies only to port injection. Wouldn't both intake and exhaust valves get tighter with direct injection? I don't know the answer, but that's what my common sense tells me.
 
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I also think this is a BITOG thing, and not sure why people are that sensitive about it. My friends working in auto industry as engineers call it weight, marketing people in the oil industry often calls it weight. They even dislike calling it grade as there is a grade for many other things in a car as well as in an oil, whereas the word weight feels more speaific.

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Add Valvoline for saying weight as well …
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en/understanding-oil-weights/
 
Oh thank you. having a "proof" makes to more substantiated rather than "I said, he said" kind of dynamic.
So if one of the biggest players in the industry finds it appropriate to call it "weight" on a public informative article, is it really wrong to call it weight?

(waiting for someone to argue that Valvoline is not a big player and I hate exxon)
 
Oh thank you. having a "proof" makes to more substantiated rather than "I said, he said" kind of dynamic.
So if one of the biggest players in the industry finds it appropriate to call it "weight" on a public informative article, is it really wrong to call it weight?

(waiting for someone to argue that Valvoline is not a big player and I hate exxon)
Yep - I think everyone knows what it relates too …
 
Hypothetical example: The manual says 5W20 or 5W30 should be used. After 150K miles, does a person need to jump up to 5W40 to get the same effect that the previous oil provided when the car was newer?
Choice of oil and maintenance shouldn't be based solely on mileage, but mostly based on symptoms. i.e. - appropriate medicine for the symptoms/condition of the specific patient. A doctor doesn't automatically put an old man on heart medication just because he turned 65 or 70. A doctor bases treatment mostly on the patient's symptoms and condition and only somewhat on patient's age.

If an engine (of any mileage) is not burning or leaking oil, then there's no need for high mileage oil, no need for Valvoline Restore and Protect, and no need to go to a thicker grade of oil.

If engine is burning or leaking oil, then do the things listed below.

1) If engine starts burning or leaking oil, remove the PCV. If it doesn't rattle when you gently shake it, then clean it with brake cleaner or throttle body/carb cleaner until it rattles easily. If the PCV still won't rattle, replace it.

If you're too lazy (or too efficient) to clean a PCV, or just don't have time for that, then skip trying to clean the old PCV and buy a new one. A new PCV is not expensive. A new GM ACDelco/Buick PCV only cost me $7.50 from local autostore. A new autostore housebrand PCV for a Honda CRV only cost me $14 and works fine. An OEM Honda PCV would have cost me $30. A new PCV is cheap maintenance that can signifigantly reduce oil buring and/or leaking.

2) If PCV is attached to a rubber breather hose (as it is on some cars), check the hose for shrinkage, kinks, obstructions. Clean or replace hose if needed.

I completely cured/stopped severe oil burning in a Honda CRV just by replacing the shriveled, kinked breather hose that attached to the PCV. Other cars (like my Buick) have no breather hose.

3) The above maintenance is sometimes enough to cure or reduce oil burning and/or leaking, but if it still burns or leaks, then switch to a high mileage oil in the original/recommended viscosity. Try that for 5000 miles.

4) Then, if it still burns or leaks oil, go up one grade thicker in high mileage oil.

Note: Some brands of high mileage oil are thicker than others (even in same stated viscosity grade). I prefer and recommend the brands of High Mileage oil that are thicker than most because thicker tends to be more effective at reducing burning and leaking. (Which brands of High Mileage oil that I recommend is a topic for another post.)

Those ^ are classic, traditional fixes for oil burning and/or leaking.

In recent times, there's also another solution you can try for oil burning engines. You can try using Valvoline Restore and Protect (Valvoline Restore and Protect) oil for 4 oil change intervals to clean piston rings to (hopefully) reduce oil burning. This sometimes reduces oil burning by cleaning/freeing stuck oil ring in pistons.

Valvoline Restore and Protect is sometimes a solution for oil burning, but not for leaks. High Mileage oil can reduce burning and leaking, though sometimes it's not enough. Sometimes new rings or new seals/gaskets are needed.

Choice of oil can usually reduce, or possibly eliminate, minor high mileage related problems. Choice of oil cannot fix major problems. Only hands-on maintenance or repair can fix major problems. Even some minor problems (dirty/stuck PCV for example) need hands on maintenance.

If you try Valvoline Restore and Protect for 4 oil change intervals, then switch to a high mileage oil.
 
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A new autostore housebrand PCV for a Honda CRV only cost me $14 and works fine. An OEM Honda PCV would have cost me $30. A new PCV is cheap maintenance that can signifigantly reduce oil buring and/or leaking.
You should be wary of aftermarket PCV valves on the Honda K24 motor. I replaced the original (which was actually fine) with an aftermarket PCV valve and when I replaced it for another OEM Honda valve, a small metal section of pipe or tubing came out with the aftermarket one. For about the first few minutes of runtime after that happened the engine ran and idled rough and stopped, never to return. From what I understand, the small metal pipe/tube is press-fit into the part of the engine that houses the PCV valve and is there to direct the oily vapors into the valve. And, you can't replace just the pipe if it comes out. Luckily, after speaking with a few Honda specialists I learned that it's not a major issue. You have to consider that everything Honda engineers put into place was there for a specific reason, but I digress.
 
Choice of oil and maintenance shouldn't be based solely on mileage, but mostly based on symptoms. i.e. - appropriate medicine for the symptoms/condition of the specific patient. A doctor doesn't automatically put an old man on heart medication just because he turned 65 or 70. A doctor bases treatment mostly on the patient's symptoms and condition and only somewhat on patient's age.

If an engine (of any mileage) is not burning or leaking oil, then there's no need for high mileage oil, no need for Valvoline Restore and Protect, and no need to go to a thicker grade of oil.

If engine is burning or leaking oil, then do the things listed below.

1) If engine starts burning or leaking oil, remove the PCV. If it doesn't rattle when you gently shake it, then clean it with brake cleaner or throttle body/carb cleaner until it rattles easily. If the PCV still won't rattle, replace it.

If you're too lazy (or too efficient) to clean a PCV, or just don't have time for that, then skip trying to clean the old PCV and buy a new one. A new PCV is not expensive. A new GM ACDelco/Buick PCV only cost me $7.50 from local autostore. A new autostore housebrand PCV for a Honda CRV only cost me $14 and works fine. An OEM Honda PCV would have cost me $30. A new PCV is cheap maintenance that can signifigantly reduce oil buring and/or leaking.

2) If PCV is attached to a rubber breather hose (as it is on some cars), check the hose for shrinkage, kinks, obstructions. Clean or replace hose if needed.

I completely cured/stopped severe oil burning in a Honda CRV just by replacing the shriveled, kinked breather hose that attached to the PCV. Other cars (like my Buick) have no breather hose.

3) The above maintenance is sometimes enough to cure or reduce oil burning and/or leaking, but if it still burns or leaks, then switch to a high mileage oil in the original/recommended viscosity. Try that for 5000 miles.

4) Then, if it still burns or leaks oil, go up one grade thicker in high mileage oil.

Note: Some brands of high mileage oil are thicker than others (even in same stated viscosity grade). I prefer and recommend the brands of High Mileage oil that are thicker than most because thicker tends to be more effective at reducing burning and leaking. (Which brands of High Mileage oil that I recommend is a topic for another post.)

Those ^ are classic, traditional fixes for oil burning and/or leaking.

In recent times, there's also another solution you can try for oil burning engines. You can try using Valvoline Restore and Protect (Valvoline Restore and Protect) oil for 4 oil change intervals to clean piston rings to (hopefully) reduce oil burning. This sometimes reduces oil burning by cleaning/freeing stuck oil ring in pistons.

Valvoline Restore and Protect is sometimes a solution for oil burning, but not for leaks. High Mileage oil can reduce burning and leaking, though sometimes it's not enough. Sometimes new rings or new seals/gaskets are needed.

Choice of oil can usually reduce, or possibly eliminate, minor high mileage related problems. Choice of oil cannot fix major problems. Only hands-on maintenance or repair can fix major problems. Even some minor problems (dirty/stuck PCV for example) need hands on maintenance.

If you try Valvoline Restore and Protect for 4 oil change intervals, then switch to a high mileage oil.
Great suggestions
So far it seems to be even low milage cars something to benefit from Valvoline Restore and Protect.
Completely agree with your PCV suggestion. Given a new one from subaru cost me $5, I personally did not want to bother cleaning it, thinking a brand new one might be superior to a cleaned one
 
You should be wary of aftermarket PCV valves on the Honda K24 motor. I replaced the original (which was actually fine) with an aftermarket PCV valve and when I replaced it for another OEM Honda valve, a small metal section of pipe or tubing came out with the aftermarket one. For about the first few minutes of runtime after that happened the engine ran and idled rough and stopped, never to return. From what I understand, the small metal pipe/tube is press-fit into the part of the engine that houses the PCV valve and is there to direct the oily vapors into the valve. And, you can't replace just the pipe if it comes out. Luckily, after speaking with a few Honda specialists I learned that it's not a major issue. You have to consider that everything Honda engineers put into place was there for a specific reason, but I digress.
Thanks for that info. In my case, my cousin replaced the original/OEM PCV with a $14 Oreilly Microgard PCV (made by Premium Guard). It's been working perfectly for 6 months now.

Another aftermarket PCV I saw for it was a $30 NAPA brand one (made by Gates).

From any autostore, I could have bought a Gates brand PCV for it for $30.

The Honda parts dept guy told me the Genuine Honda brand OEM PCV is no longer made and is out of stock for 2003 CRV. He said a new NAPA or Gates PCV, and NAPA or Gates breather hose, would be just as good as Genuine Honda OEM parts. 

By the time he told me that, I'd already bought an Oreilly Microgard PCV. I didn't know which Gates hose part # to buy, so I paid $15 more for a Genuine Honda OEM hose because I knew the Honda dealership would get me the correct part # hose.

The new PCV and breather hose have been working perfectly for 6 months now. They completely resolved/stopped severe oil burning.
 
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Oh thank you. having a "proof" makes to more substantiated rather than "I said, he said" kind of dynamic.
So if one of the biggest players in the industry finds it appropriate to call it "weight" on a public informative article, is it really wrong to call it weight?

(waiting for someone to argue that Valvoline is not a big player and I hate exxon)
Yes it's wrong, but it's also irrelevant and not worth correcting people. IMO

When I see people type "weight" I know what they mean and that's what matters.
 
There are various weights of oil, of course. Is there an amount of miles on a vehicle where it is a good idea to jump up a weight in oil?

In other words, is there a certain amount of miles where to get the same function from the weight a person was using, that person needs to go up in weight?

Hypothetical example: The manual says 5W20 or 5W30 should be used. After 150K miles, does a person need to jump up to 5W40 to get the same effect that the previous oil provided when the car was newer?
I would say that all the replies are pretty good and have merit. I would just say be reasonable on the increase and think about the climatic conditions. Engines seem to be outliving the transmission and body/electronics on most cars today, but extra protection and engine longevity at essentially no cost (possibly small mpg are lost) is the way to go.

Nowadays some new vehicles are up to 207-212F thermostats from 180 and then 195. The engine wont even stay this hot without an electric louver in front of the radiator (look at any new Chevy truck for instance). This is strictly for emissions. It only makes sense to protect that hot engine. Also, current oil pump bypass orifices seem pretty large to me compared to the past. I'm guessing so the current non-mechanical drivers of today wont blow the oil filter off when they hold it floored on an ice cold 0F day startup.
 
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