UGHHHH! Mites / Rodents / Bugs infestation

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Last week, after I picked up a friend from the airport, I notice some bites around my waist line that I originally though was mosquito bites. Then a day later my wife and my mother in law had them too, and they started to look like ticks, mites, bed bugs. We wash all the clothes and sheets, wipe down the chairs, vacuum the carpets, and put cushions under the sun. We no longer find cluster of 10 bites anymore, but we still find 2 or 3 bites a day.

Yesterday in the living room, I notice the normal scratching sound in my 1/F ceiling in the 2 story house, then some dripping sound on my couch. I notice some liquid dropped from my air duct vent, and suddenly my wife and I freaked out because we realize what we have in between the floor is really a rodent.

When we first got this house we notice some rat dropping in the attic. We though it is common and most home have it, so we just leave it alone. Then once in a while (every couple of years or so) we would notice dead rat smell somewhere in the garage, and we also leave it.

I called a rodent exclusion contractor to come take a look and he found quite a few entry point into the attic, garage, and exterior walls. He said that most likely what bit us were rodent mites and recommend also to change the attic cellulose insulation due to the amount of rat droppings and likely nests.

The cost is $850 to seal up all the entry points (1 year warranty) and $2350 to replace about 850 sqft of insulation (vacuum and replace with R34). The reason he wants us to replace the insulation is the food in the current nest can last the rat up to 6 months and the process of cleaning will scare them out of their nests. However he claims that he couldn't do anything about what's in between floor as there's no way to access it without tearing out a huge part of the house.

I live in moderate climate and hardly turn on the AC / heater and even if I do the utility bill never goes above $200 (usually $80 when we do turn on heater / AC). From the perspective of getting rid of the rats (and the possibility that our bites were from the rat mites), should I really replace the insulation?
 
I would replace the insulation if they recommend it. Maybe get a second opinion.

A friend of mine had weasels living in his attic. They would get into a fight every now and then and make a hella-of-a racket...
 
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I would tear out the ceiling drywall & clean up in between the floors also. do it right. get it all while you can. i would fumagate the whole house too.
 
Ive done a couple years of pest control and I would definately replace whatever the pests have come in contact with. If it were my house i would also rip up the floor and decontaminate and remedy the problem in the floor as well. You have airbourne contamination as well as whats in the walls and floors. Please dont just live with it cause they are some dirty little buggers. If you cant aford it Maybe you could strike a deal with a contractor or help them out if they were ok with it to lessen the cost.
 
If there were a bucket of cereal and a bucket of beer left outside and the house chilled with AC to a slightly uncomfortable temperature maybe the varmints would leave. If they should, perchance, accidentally take a stray shotgun blast while peacably enjoying their lunch, well, I guess that's the chance they took when they decided to live out west. If the varmints ever watched the news they should know there's gangs out that way.

Another possible solution might be to volunteer as a foster home for a rescue group that handles terriers, hounds, or dachshunds. Varmints in general don't much like being around those dogs. You could give a little bugger who's down on his/her luck a safe home long enough for him/her to find a more permanent situation and at the same time save a good couple few dollars in the end.
 
Maybe a cat to catch the rats inside your home.

Do you have bed bugs or mites?
It also helps not to have carpet in your home.
 
I would spend some time diagnosing the real problem and then act accordingly. Taking the shot gun approach (kill/remove everything) might not be necessary.

Getting recommendations from a service company that just happens to sell those services might not be reliable.

I would contact your local land grant extension service (University of California) and put your tax dollars to work. Ask them for diagnostic help and then control help.

If, for instance, you have gotten bed bugs into your home, all of the work to eliminate a non identified rodent problem might be a waste. Following some of the suggestions above would be like replacing your engine thermostat, not diagnosing that the real problem was a bad water pump.

Just a few minutes Googling "rodent mites" turned up a few sites that say that rodent mites cannot complete their life cycles on humans. So, if you eliminate the rodents, the mite problem will go away. I am not a rodent mite expert, so confirm this on your own. BUT, I am a certified pesticide applicator and the key is to positively identify the problem first, then do the most cost effective solution needed.....it's called IPM, Integrated Pest Management.

Are you even sure if your have rats vs. mice?

Good luck.
 
doitmyself:

This is a bit of a threadjack, but you're probably the guy to ask so please excuse me. I've heard that squirrels are more of a fire hazard than the other usual varmints. It that true or just urban myth?
 
find a very old garage sale, try to find some cloradine it WILL get the job done. you cant buy it any more. and get a out door bug light it will get the flying bugs.
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
doitmyself:This is a bit of a threadjack, but you're probably the guy to ask so please excuse me. I've heard that squirrels are more of a fire hazard than the other usual varmints. It that true or just urban myth?


Mice, rats, and squirrels are all rodents with the need to chew things in order to trim down their constantly growing teeth (like fingernails).

So, yes, squirrels can create fire hazards when they chew wires. I don't know if squirrels are more hazardous than mice and rats. I imagine because they are larger, they have potential to do more damage, more quickly. I don't have any stats on this.
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`Round these parts we call that Tuesday night!

Just kidding.

Man's been breeding dogs to work for a long time. There are some jobs they do a lot better than people do even with modern technology.

A suitable dog can be as effective an exterminator as a human armed with chemicals if that dog has the drive and the physique for the job. The dog has a bit of an advantage in that he can afford to spend a few months concentrating on the job, while the human probably can't afford that much time. The dog also will charge a lot less and be much more satisfied with his compensation.

Some other jobs dogs do surprisingly well:
-psychologist
-construction laborer
-security guard

and maybe not so surprisingly:
-specialist for search and rescue
 
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Those videos are in poultry houses, not cages. Those people are protecting their lively hood.

Those videos are very graphic, but sometimes reality is harsh. If you had cockroaches in your home, I am sure that you would try to eliminate them asap.

What I don't like about killing things is when it is done for the sake of pure sport....killing things without any reverence for life. But, that's just how I am. Those videos kind of impart a feeling of enjoyment watching something get killed.

Those terriers would certainly tear up the attic insulation, so I am not sure how practical that would be.

I imagine this thread will get very lively.
 
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My house is an old farmhouse built low to the ground. It was loaded with rodents. We had a pair of kittens who as they grew , were great mousers, ratters. They hunted as a team. End of problem. Midnight woke us up early one morning . He had caught a hen pheasant and brought it home, he was so proud. Insulation is good for heat and cooling. You need it. If it is really gross, replace it.
PB, I know you are a frugal sort. But rodent control is essential. Whenever I gutted a room of lath and plaster, the voids were full of droppings and an occasional carcass Every thing was discarded. Every time I find a hole in the foundation , I close it, even if with just foam. If not terriers, cats will work too.
 
There is some of the worst, pathetic advice in this thread that I've ever seen or read. Letting terrier dogs roam the attic and behind the walls in an attempt to root out a rodent infestation? Buckets of beer outside in some bizarre attempt to attract and/or drown them? Or get them drunk for some odd reason?

Panda, you need to find someone who knows how to correct an infestation, and who can assess the amount of damage that's been done. If you have rodents then you may very well have insulation chewed from some electrical wires, as well as feces and urine soaked insulation. And if it's bad enough that it's dripping down from the ceiling onto your couch, then the problem is more than a bug light or a bucket of beer will fix. You're living in an environment that can and will make you, your wife, and your baby very sick.

It's not hard to seal up the outside of the home so nothing gets in, but you also need to kill the critters that are already there. You need a knowledgeable professional who can safely kill them.

You also need to find out what sort of insect infestation you have-if you're getting bitten in the middle of the night you may very well have bed bugs, which can be difficult and very expensive to eradicate.
 
Originally Posted By: fxrider
I would tear out the ceiling drywall & clean up in between the floors also. do it right. get it all while you can. i would fumagate the whole house too.


That would be way too much, they already said that they will not tear out between floor and I should ask an HVAC / duct cleaner to clean the duct instead. If the rat is outside the duct but between the floor, that's it, nothing to be done as it would cost way more than worth (i.e. sell the house and buy another one, hoping this wouldn't happen).

Originally Posted By: yonyon

Varmints in general don't much like being around those dogs. You could give a little bugger who's down on his/her luck a safe home long enough for him/her to find a more permanent situation and at the same time save a good couple few dollars in the end.


We have never had a dog before and with a 3 months old baby, we don't think we have the energy to raise a dog at the moment. Our neighbor used to have a cat but she passed away. The replacement are 3 chihuahuas that does nothing but barking at the neighbors.

Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Are you even sure if your have rats vs. mice?

Good luck.


Yes, the rodent control guys climb into the attic and found trails of rat dropping. I've also climbed up there a few years ago and found some dropping. I've also seen rat dropping and foam being torn out by rodent in the past.

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit

Panda, you need to find someone who knows how to correct an infestation, and who can assess the amount of damage that's been done. If you have rodents then you may very well have insulation chewed from some electrical wires, as well as feces and urine soaked insulation. And if it's bad enough that it's dripping down from the ceiling onto your couch, then the problem is more than a bug light or a bucket of beer will fix. You're living in an environment that can and will make you and your wife sick.

It's not hard to seal up the outside of the home so nothing gets in, but you also need to kill the critters that are already there. You need a knowledgeable professional who can safely kill them.

You also need to find out what sort of insect infestation you have-if you're getting bitten in the middle of the night you may very well have bed bugs, which can be difficult and very expensive to eradicate.


Every rodent control company said it is the most important to seal up the house so no more rodent can get in. All of them seems to agree that you need to use trap to catch them after sealing the house up. The only difference I found so far is the guy who inspected my house said if I replace the loose cellulose insulation (which isn't torn up as they are already torn to begin with) then it has a high chance to removing the nest and their food stash, and they will take the bait earlier instead of only when they are low on food. The question now is if it is worth an additional $2300.

Originally Posted By: mongo161
When people tell me that their new community is built on a "old landfill", or garbage land fill.....I'm very surpised and wish them the best....this is what usually happens........eventually the prior residents come back to claim the land.....


It is a 18 year old house build in a "historic" district of my town, and it is not on landfill (most likely some sort of former commercial or industrial land). There is also no restaurant within 5 blocks of our house, and the only businesses across from our street are banks, vacant office, and other non food related small businesses. There is a Target about 2 blocks away, that's about as close to food as it can be.
 
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Originally Posted By: mongo161
When people tell me that their new community is built on a "old landfill", or garbage land fill.....I'm very surpised and wish them the best....this is what usually happens........eventually the prior residents come back to claim the land.....


Knowing the rules about profanity in links, you'd still actually post that trash? No, I didn't include your profanity laced video link in the quote.
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
There is some of the worst, pathetic advice in this thread that I've ever seen or read. Letting terrier dogs roam the attic and behind the walls in an attempt to root out a rodent infestation? Buckets of beer outside in some bizarre attempt to attract and/or drown them? Or get them drunk for some odd reason?


I'm so glad I didn't tell you about the trick with the clown costume and the wet celery.
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
There is some of the worst, pathetic advice in this thread that I've ever seen or read. Letting terrier dogs roam the attic and behind the walls in an attempt to root out a rodent infestation? Buckets of beer outside in some bizarre attempt to attract and/or drown them? Or get them drunk for some odd reason?


I'm so glad I didn't tell you about the trick with the clown costume and the wet celery.


I'm not sure how a clown costume factors into giving someone advice that may prevent them, their spouse and/or their 3 month old child from getting ill. If it's an attempt at humor, it's rather pathetic.
 
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Some of the companies I talked to said they will not go on to the roof but only try to patch entry point from inside the attic. One said they would go on the roof but once they hear that it is Spanish tile they say they don't (and refer me to another company).

So far a large percentage of the companies said they do not do major proofing (only plug minor holes?), and some of the others said they only trap but not exclusion. Most of them ask for an initial inspection fee or "integrated" service package that include multiple visits and trapping.

Prices vary all over the place from around $160-850, and some even charge by the number of rodents caught and number of holes plugged.

My head hurts.
 
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