I'm surprised at the bad press the FL820S gets on this Forum when I look on the F150 Forum and see the huge number of people who would not use any other filter than that...and I don't read about any observed failures of the FL820S filter or issues caused by them...it is still the top recommended filter for its application...I've used only the FL820S based on the recommendations over there for the last 4 oil changes and have observed no issues (I know that doesn't mean thereare no issues) I can attribute to that oil filter...
Bill
I'm surprised at the bad press the FL820S gets on this Forum when I look on the F150 Forum and see the huge number of people who would not use any other filter than that...and I don't read about any observed failures of the FL820S filter or issues caused by them...it is still the top recommended filter for its application...I've used only the FL820S based on the recommendations over there for the last 4 oil changes and have observed no issues (I know that doesn't mean thereare no issues) I can attribute to that oil filter...
Bill
I'm surprised at the bad press the FL820S gets on this Forum when I look on the F150 Forum and see the huge number of people who would not use any other filter than that...and I don't read about any observed failures of the FL820S filter or issues caused by them...it is still the top recommended filter for its application...I've used only the FL820S based on the recommendations over there for the last 4 oil changes and have observed no issues (I know that doesn't mean thereare no issues) I can attribute to that oil filter..
How many of them do they cut open and inspect?
^^^ this^^^ - no way they are not experiencing the same level of tears as noted on BITOG, they are likely not opening them to see.
They sure have the potential … that's what I learned from cutting open several brand new filters … It's just very weak paper along with some wipe spaced pleats …
I guess my point is that if there are all these failures for the FL820S filter, why haven't there been many engine failures attributed to those oil filter failures???...I've read many of the posters with 150K-300K and one with more than 400K miles on their engines without an oil related issue (other engine issues that aren't oil related though) ...
Bill
I guess my point is that if there are all these failures for the FL820S filter, why haven't there been many engine failures attributed to those oil filter failures???...I've read many of the posters with 150K-300K and one with more than 400K miles on their engines without an oil related issue (other engine issues that aren't oil related though) ...
Short of media tearing free and plugging an oil passage, a failure would likely be rare, though increased wear could be a possibility. A better question is why would you pay for and use a filter that is known to tear when there are so many other choices out there that are much more efficient and at comparable price points?
I use the MC 910 filter on my Craftsman rider, but I also have used the 910 on my Fords for around 300K with very fine service. In fact of all the filters available I choose the 910 as my go to filter. I have had less than good service with other brands, including the M1 cartridge for my 2007 Fusion. Now the 820 is another story.
The MC FL400s is the same as the 910 but the 400 is longer (more media). All other specs are the same. If you have room for the longer 400, you might give it a try. My Tacoma specs the 910 as standard replacement and I recently started running the 400 with good results.
I guess my point is that if there are all these failures for the FL820S filter, why haven't there been many engine failures attributed to those oil filter failures???...I've read many of the posters with 150K-300K and one with more than 400K miles on their engines without an oil related issue (other engine issues that aren't oil related though) ...
Bill
This is why torn oil filter media can be bad. As others have said, unlikely it would cause a massive engine failure. Video even shows a cut open filter with torn media
from what I read here it seems that alternative filters either have the anti drain back valve in a different location or something else is different than the original design...I'm not doubting what I can clearly see from posts on this Forum about the Motorcraft filters but I also read many posts and advice from others on forums who work on these engines that use the Motorcraft filter and it is still their recommendation...you can understand the conflict can't you???
...and I want to add apologies for continuing to stray from the original posters thread...
Bill
They're still the best.
Dang, no ones vein is popping out their neck?
Didnt you say a while back you had some FL 820's to cut and post?
They may change your opinion.
Yes Sir, I cut 8 of them open, and NO TEARS! Does that disappoint you?
did you update your thread with any pics?
I guess i have to be that guy "pics or it didnt happen"!
No, I didn't. There was a MOD here that shut down my thread about my posting of the filters. I posted a few before she shut it down.
And, I don't care what YOU think. I cut them open and there were no tears!
When a person uses their fingers to press on the pleats, sure, there will be tears.
Again, MC oil filters are still the BEST made!
from what I read here it seems that alternative filters either have the anti drain back valve in a different location or something else is different than the original design...I'm not doubting what I can clearly see from posts on this Forum about the Motorcraft filters but I also read many posts and advice from others on forums who work on these engines that use the Motorcraft filter and it is still their recommendation...you can understand the conflict can't you???
...and I want to add apologies for continuing to stray from the original posters thread...
Bill
Re: part in red ... it's simply because they are die-hard fanboys. If they saw many reports of media tearing I'm sure most of them (with some common sense) wouldn't hang on with their fanboy viewpoint. If you showed them torn filters with all the paint removed from the can so they didn't know what brand it was (the blind tearing test), you think they would still want to use those filters?
Since this thread went off track talking about fanboys of Motorcraft, it has to be added why fanboys of Fram Ultras, those who have rigidly made up their minds, are so intensely interested in going endlessly over how terrible Motorcraft is. Is it they are such fine people they just want to help the world see the light, or is it some personal reason?
I wouldn't have a problem using a genuine 820s, because for one I don't drive hard, change oil often, and probably wouldn't stress it much.