TulAmmo and Wolfe Polyformance

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Think I will use them except for my training sessions.
Over a thousand rounds through the G42 and pushing 1000 rounds in the G43. Zero problems. Shoot 3 or 4 hundred round a week. Saves a few bucks.
 
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Enviable per week round count. Training is a luxury, yet so necessary. Kudos on keeping your skills sharp.
 
To be honest, I find Tula and Wolf to be pretty accurate among economy-grade ammunitions. I find that I shot better overall groups with Tula than with WWB or Fed Prem. Some ranges near me won't allow steel-cased ammunition though. I guess they want to keep the brass to sell or reload to squeeze out a little bit more money.
 
That's good to hear. I usually see the Tula or Wolf at 14-15 cents per shot but the cheapest I usually go is 18 cents per shot for blazer brass. Maybe I'll try some of the cheaper stuff
 
I use the stuff for training as well. It runs and the occasional hard primer is good practice.
 
I had one box of Wolf Polyformance that gave two squibs (2 pistols). Not a good time as it cut my range time short on that day because I didn't have anything to drive the bullets out. Fortunately they were so squib(by?) that they didn't cycle the slide and I knew to check the barrels for obstruction. I will use up what I have of Wolf and stick with Tul.
 
STEEL on STEEL!
Bought some Tulammo for my AR and decided to scratch the surface of the bullet to see how much of a layer of zinc there really was. To say I was disappointed is an understatement, barely enough of a coating to hide the steel! It may be just fine to run this ammo and maybe the steel is some kind of very mild and soft steel, but I just don't believe it's a good practice to run steel bullets through any barrel regardless of what the barrel is made of or coated with.
I'm no expert and am willing to listen to reason, but still . . .

Steve
 
Some people swear by the steel cased AR stuff, insisting that it doesn't cause any extra wear on their guns.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Think I will use them except for my training sessions.
Over a thousand rounds through the G42 and pushing 1000 rounds in the G43. Zero problems. Shoot 3 or 4 hundred round a week. Saves a few bucks.


This is interesting. Every gun salesman I talk to does not recommend steel. I've also been under the impression Glocks are the most finicky with steel ammo.
 
The whole steel case argument comes up from time to time, with good points made on either side. I'm a reloader, so steel cased ammunition is useless to me in that regard. That said, I do buy and shoot steel cased ammo in my AK rifles. But they were designed to function with steel cased ammunition. I know a lot of guys run steel in their AR platform rifles. And some have success, while others report problems. I have never heard of anyone having issues shooting steel cased ammo in any AK platform rifle.

In handguns I only shoot brass. Even if I didn't reload I wouldn't shoot steel, because there is hardly no difference in price from the American made premium steel cased ammo, like Winchester Forged Steel, or the Hornady Steel, than the cheaper boxer primed, brass cased practice FMJ. And a lot of the cheap foreign steel ammo causes operational issues in several guns, and is filthy. And some will even argue, corrosive.
 
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I wouldn't shoot steel, because there is hardly no difference in price from the American made premium steel cased ammo, like Winchester Forged Steel, or the Hornady Steel, than the cheaper boxer primed, brass cased practice FMJ. And a lot of the cheap foreign steel ammo causes operational issues in several guns, and is filthy. And some will even argue, corrosive.

Cheapest I saw was $10.50 vs $8.50 for TulAmmo. I have zero problems with my G42. It doesn't appear any dirtier. I go at least 400 rounds between cleanings. I see no corrosion issues in the barrel. I shoot A LOT. I will jtake the $60 in savings per month.

So what if the 42 lasts 15,000 rounds instead of twenty. They are cheap.

I respect counter arguments though. To each his own.
 
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Steel is fine for training.

With the pistol and .223 ammo rebate that Federal is doing right now, it makes sense to buy brass case for about the same amount in case quantities.

You can get brass case 9MM Federal for under $150 per thousand after rebate I've seen.
 
When prices on ammo are higher the steel cased ammo is a better ROI if you replace your barrel and extractor on AR15s, but now theres only about a 4 penny per shot difference in bulk, and it fluctuates too, so the ROI is worse on steel case.
 
Steel case ammunition has been widely used throughout Europe for over a century. The Russian military, in particular, as did all of the Warsaw Pact countries, used steel case ammunition almost exclusively. It is cheaper to make and military ammo is, for the most part, disposable goods. Germany also made widespread use of steel cased ammo in rifles and pistols during WW-II. The U.S. Lake City Ammunition Plant experimented with steel case 5.56 ammo around 1967-1968 for deployment in Vietnam. It was scrapped because of functionality issues.

Nearly all European designs will run with steel case ammunition for that reason. Look at European military ammunition design and they're nearly all slightly tapered. Steel cases do not expand and contract at the same rate brass cases do. The AK, for example, was designed around a well tapered round that functions virtually flawlessly. The AR platform was designed around a straight wall bottleneck round, the 5.56. As a result, a steel case not contracting back fast enough will muck up the firing cycle with gas pressures against the bolt carrier group. It also tends not to release itself from the chamber as smoothly as brass. It's fine for practice where a FTE is not critical.

As for steel bullets, those too, have been around for well over a century. Mild steel bullets are much cheaper to make by the billions than copper, and doesn't deplete a more valuable war material. However, if you look at European military rifle and SMG barrels, the rifling tends to be deeper and wider than on U.S. rifles. This offsets the barrel wear of steel to steel, even though it is soft steel projectiles going through a hard steel barrel.

To a military, small arms barrels are a normal wear and tear item. Think of how many U.S. M1 Garands, 1903 Springfields, M14s and M16 that have been rebarrelled along the way. Germany rebarreled millions of their WW-I Mausers prior to and during WW-II, as did the USSR, and most notably, Finland (used Russian Mosin-Nagant rifle receivers with Finn barrels).

The Glock and steel ammo, well, in many of the countries where Glocks are used, steel case ammo is the norm, which is why Glock functions well with it. Also the type of polygonal rifling does not lend itself to the same type of wear that conventional cut rifling does.

And, with a few of the right tools from Brownells, and some patience, you can replace your own AR barrel - try that with an M14, Garand or Mauser without the right tooling and gauges.
 
I wish a decent study was done to see how the wear rate and accuracy changes with use of steel vs copper fmj bullets.

I read an assessment somewhere that indicated that some recovered bullets were studied with microscopy, and it was found that just the barrel length was enough to get through the copper wash coat into the steel.

Kind of wish there were a happy medium, where a thicker copper wash was used (or zinc), yet the cost savings of steel was still used.
 
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