TOYOTA OIL FILTER CUT OPEN

[53' Stude]

Another filter from member nthach. Writing on can couldn’t make out. Damage to media is from me prying element out of can.

 

[Krieg]

Barely used?

 

[53' Stude]

Barely used?

Dunno

 

[dnewton3]

A pessimist would point out that the filter has no metal end caps, and a leaf spring. If the can were orange, it would be poo-poo'd and sent to the shelf of shame. But because it's not orange, folks will accpet it because it's OEM.

But I actually don't give a darn about these features:
- metal caps vs fiber vs resin only
- leaf vs coil spring
- base vs dome BP position
- holes vs louvers vs plastic cage
I do prefer silcone ADBV, but that's because I run OCIs out to 10-15k miles. For shorter ones, the nitrile works just fine also.

They all work. What I care about is the quality of the actual build. This one looks fine!

 

[JavierH19]

For what these cost I'd rather use something else. They're not bad just overpriced unless they bring the price down to <$4 or if it's the only thing avaiable at all.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The ADBV is a "burn test" candidate to see if it's actually "black silicone" as some claim.

ADBV Burn Test - Silicone vs Nitrile Rubber

I posted some of this information in another thread, but thought I would dedicate a thread showing the difference between how silicone vs nitrile rubber burns. The tables below show the key differences when the rubber is burned. If you have a doubt on if the ADBV is silicone or nitrile (ie, a...

bobistheoilguy.com

 

[Schandyman]

A pessimist would point out that the filter has no metal end caps, and a leaf spring. If the can were orange, it would be poo-poo'd and sent to the shelf of shame. But because it's not orange, folks will accpet it because it's OEM.

But I actually don't give a darn about these features:
- metal caps vs fiber vs resin only
- leaf vs coil spring
- base vs dome BP position
- holes vs louvers vs plastic cage
I do prefer silcone ADBV, but that's because I run OCIs out to 10-15k miles. For shorter ones, the nitrile works just fine also.

They all work. What I care about is the quality of the actual build. This one looks fine!

Toyota filters are 10k or 12months by Toyota standards whichever comes 1st they hold up. 15k dunno how it would do

 

[PimTac]

For what these cost I'd rather use something else. They're not bad just overpriced unless they bring the price down to

That seems like a really cheap price expectation for a oil filter. A box of Kellogg’s Corn Flakes cost more than that.

 

[JavierH19]

That seems like a really cheap price expectation for a oil filter. A box of Kellogg’s Corn Flakes cost more than that.

That 90915YZZD3 at the dealer is $5.41 which is better than walmarts price of around $7.54

But even then I'd rather get something else thats a better value. The tg4386 shows up locally for $6.82 which I'd say is worth it since it's 20um @ 99% while being a tad longer. The supertech mp with a silicone adbv and metal caps is around $5.48 but i know toyotas can have the filter mounted sideways and not vertically so the silicone adbv begins to matter more.

It's filtration isn't better than what the rest of the cheap jobbers can do. The TRD filters are great but even then I'd rather get an ultra because of the TRD tax. Why does toyota use it? It's good enough to make it last long enough for it to not be their problem.

One could argue a 50um @ 99% filter will make the engine last the warranty without warrantable issue since that's what engines did back then. Doesn't mean one should use it if they plan on taking it as far as possible. People that buy a toyota typically do so to squeeze the most out of it so spending a bit more to go above and beyond shouldn't be a debate.

 

[Chris142]

I stopped using Toyota filters on our FJ. They always drain down which makes the timing chain rattle. The orange can with the silicone valve doesn't.

 

[haggler]

These are a parts special at my local dealer for 3.99. I wouldn't hesitate to grab on in a pinch or ph4967 from amazon.

 

[Sayjac]

The ADBV is a "burn test" candidate to see if it's actually "black silicone" as some claim......

The specific claim for the Denso "black silicone" came from the Denso FTF now made in China. Despite website and representative info claims, that has been absolutely disproven now, including in a youtube video. Continuing to follow Occam's razor principle on topic Toyota Thai Denso with black adbv, it's nitrile.

As for element endcap type the no endcap in this case it's like the Toyota cartridge in a can, making a spin on. The one thing left off the list of features in a previous post, efficiency. Personally, I'm not a 'stickler' for the absolute best rating, however based on testing of topic, it's far from that standard. I'd speculate that other similar no endcap type like the Mitsubishi OEM very similar rating. For myself, if I owned a Toyota" I" wouldn't specifically seek out the topic filter. My.02

This one looks ok, however similar to the OG Ultra from same member, no fci info with it. Appearance does look to be low miles.

Thanks for c&p.

 

[Yah-Tah-Hey]

Now that is a good looking oil filter. Same filter that I use on my 04 V6. DENSO.

 

[AlanKY]

I stopped using Toyota filters on our FJ. They always drain down which makes the timing chain rattle. The orange can with the silicone valve doesn't.

I had the same problem on a ‘98 Sienna (1MZ-FE). The engine rattled horribly at the first start of the day. I pulled the filter mid-OCI and replaced it with a Wix 51348 and never used the Toyota filter on that engine again.

 

[ATex7239]

That 90915YZZD3 at the dealer is $5.41 which is better than walmarts price of around $7.54

But even then I'd rather get something else thats a better value. The tg4386 shows up locally for $6.82 which I'd say is worth it since it's 20um @ 99% while being a tad longer. The supertech mp with a silicone adbv and metal caps is around $5.48 but i know toyotas can have the filter mounted sideways and not vertically so the silicone adbv begins to matter more.

It's filtration isn't better than what the rest of the cheap jobbers can do. The TRD filters are great but even then I'd rather get an ultra because of the TRD tax. Why does toyota use it? It's good enough to make it last long enough for it to not be their problem.

One could argue a 50um @ 99% filter will make the engine last the warranty without warrantable issue since that's what engines did back then. Doesn't mean one should use it if they plan on taking it as far as possible. People that buy a toyota typically do so to squeeze the most out of it so spending a bit more to go above and beyond shouldn't be a debate.

Debatable…

Kidding. But seriously though, arguing microns vs cents is splitting hairs from either direction.

I’ll agree with you that the TG or others are the better value on paper. I’ll also say there are plenty of high mileage Toyotas with services done by dealers and quick lubes getting who knows what cheapo filter. And those drivers probably would say “micron” is the name of a Transformer if asked about it.

 

[GrumpyCat]

A pessimist would point out that the filter has no metal end caps, and a leaf spring. If the can were orange, it would be poo-poo'd and sent to the shelf of shame. But because it's not orange, folks will accpet it because it's OEM.

But I actually don't give a darn about these features:
- metal caps vs fiber vs resin only
- leaf vs coil spring
- base vs dome BP position
- holes vs louvers vs plastic cage
I do prefer silcone ADBV, but that's because I run OCIs out to 10-15k miles. For shorter ones, the nitrile works just fine also.

They all work. What I care about is the quality of the actual build. This one looks fine!

I care less about what an unused filter looks like than I care what the used filter looks like. All the judgement of “resin vs metal vs cardboard” end caps is just internet-engineer fantasy. The only thing that matters is whether it works.

Perhaps I’m the oddball happy to see the return of cartridge filters? No more F.U.D. about proper bypass valve pressure. No more F.U.D. about “antibackflow” valve. No more hidden filter element or question about whether it collapsed in service.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The specific claim for the Denso "black silicone" came from the Denso FTF now made in China. Despite website and representative info claims, that has been absolutely disproven now, including in a youtube video. Continuing to follow Occam's razor principle on topic Toyota Thai Denso with black adbv, it's nitrile.

Nobody has done a burn test on a Denso branded as "Toyota". Takes 2 minutes to clean the ADBV with IPA and put a flame on it. At one time Toyota claimed that these filters had a black silicone ADBV. I doubt it, but without a test it's unverified.

 

[53' Stude]

Nobody has done a burn test on a Denso branded as "Toyota". Takes 2 minutes to clean the ADBV with IPA and put a flame on it. At one time Toyota claimed that these filters had a black silicone ADBV. I doubt it, but without a test it's unverified.

I can dig thru the scrap box and do the test and post pics

 

[nthach]

The filter was used for a year on a 2005 Lexus LS430, WPP bulk 5W-30 D1G2. Less than 3K but 1 year PM cycles.

 

[53' Stude]

The filter was used for a year on a 2005 Lexus LS430, WPP bulk 5W-30 D1G2. Less than 3K but 1 year PM cycles.

Thank You sir for the info.

I’ll cut the Fram ULTRA 3614 maybe tomorrow or Friday. Hot as hades here and muggy