Toyota/Denso Japan vs. Repco - cutaway

[RF Overlord]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
the Toyota oil filters made in Thailand are made by Denso and sold at many Toyota dealers.
The "Genuine Toyota"-branded filters I buy for my sister's and BIL's cars both say Denso Thailand on them. One is a cartridge filter and one is a canister. The cartridge filter looks identical to the factory-installed one, while the canister filter does not...

 

[SXE10]

I opened up the Cusco filter I'd run on the Altezza (3SGE) yesterday. It's very solid & well made. It even has a little magnet built into the top housing. The filter medium looks to be quite thick & the pleats are evenly spaced although quite far apart. I assume this is to aid flow but potentially means less filtration capacity. Still my engine is pretty spotless inside as you can see. At over twice the price of a genuine Japanese Denso filter I wont be using one again unless I'm heading to the track (I got this one for free).

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: SXE10
The filter medium looks to be quite thick & the pleats are evenly spaced although quite far apart. I assume this is to aid flow but potentially means less filtration capacity.


I might have fully synthetic media which is usually much thicker looking. Does it have a metal screen backing in the media?

The added magnet is kind of cool.

 

[SXE10]

Yes it does have a metal screen backing. Looks like a K&N air filter almost. Interesting.


On a side note, would BITOG run the Repco filter over a Fram?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: SXE10
Yes it does have a metal screen backing. Looks like a K&N air filter almost. Interesting.


That's why it's expensive ... it's full synthetic media. Probably a very good filter.

Originally Posted By: SXE10
On a side note, would BITOG run the Repco filter over a Fram?


Probably ... except not over the FRAM Ultra.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: SXE10
The filter medium looks to be quite thick & the pleats are evenly spaced although quite far apart. I assume this is to aid flow but potentially means less filtration capacity.


I might have fully synthetic media which is usually much thicker looking. Does it have a metal screen backing in the media?

The added magnet is kind of cool.

+1 First time I've seen a magnet on the interior of a filter. And as said, does look to be synthetic media.

 

[michaelluscher]

Why can't I get those old style oem 10003 filters anymore for the Camry.

 

[David1]

I think the Toyota Filter looks like a some sorta of bad cancer Tumor...

I do not even see how that could even filter oil.

now the Denso held up good and was plenty dirty.....

I see why people with Motorcycles would use a K&N or even a FRAM.

 

[RF Overlord]

IIRC the OEM Toyota (Japanese) filter media is called "depth" media...someone confirm this? I would be interested why they use it in the factory-installed filters only.

 

[michaelluscher]

I see what Toyota is doing....
Via Wikipedia:

Depth filters are the variety of filters that use a porous filtration medium to retain particles throughout the medium, rather than just on the surface of the medium. These filters are commonly used when the fluid to be filtered contains a high load of particles because, relative to other types of filters, they can retain a large mass of particles before becoming clogged.

Cleaning break in material up with the FF Filter.
I see what you did there Toyota

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[y_p_w]

Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
IIRC the OEM Toyota (Japanese) filter media is called "depth" media...someone confirm this? I would be interested why they use it in the factory-installed filters only.

I remember this particular filter, although the one I removed was labelled as made in Japan, although the car was assembled in Kentucky. Even commented on it years ago:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/339009/

I never cut it open though. The other oddity was an aluminum crush washer backed with black paper on both sides.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
I see what Toyota is doing....
Via Wikipedia:

Depth filters are the variety of filters that use a porous filtration medium to retain particles throughout the medium, rather than just on the surface of the medium. These filters are commonly used when the fluid to be filtered contains a high load of particles because, relative to other types of filters, they can retain a large mass of particles before becoming clogged.

Cleaning break in material up with the FF Filter.
I see what you did there Toyota

.


Yep, Toyota only puts these on new cars to help filter better during the break-in period.

I think you can actually buy these from dealers somehow ... but it's not very easy to locate them.

 

[y_p_w]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
I see what Toyota is doing....
Via Wikipedia:

Depth filters are the variety of filters that use a porous filtration medium to retain particles throughout the medium, rather than just on the surface of the medium. These filters are commonly used when the fluid to be filtered contains a high load of particles because, relative to other types of filters, they can retain a large mass of particles before becoming clogged.

Cleaning break in material up with the FF Filter.
I see what you did there Toyota

.


Yep, Toyota only puts these on new cars to help filter better during the break-in period.

I think you can actually buy these from dealers somehow ... but it's not very easy to locate them.

Sounds like a "Holy Grail" type filter. For me it was Filtech filters for my '95 Integra GS-R. Or even better than that, the equivalent made in Japan Toyo Roki filter. I found those at a local Honda dealer, and I even got a discount for buying four and paying in cash.

 

[supercity]

The Repco does not look too bad. Did you check out the by pass valve?

 

[kozanoglu]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
I see what Toyota is doing....
Via Wikipedia:

Depth filters are the variety of filters that use a porous filtration medium to retain particles throughout the medium, rather than just on the surface of the medium. These filters are commonly used when the fluid to be filtered contains a high load of particles because, relative to other types of filters, they can retain a large mass of particles before becoming clogged.

Cleaning break in material up with the FF Filter.
I see what you did there Toyota

.


Yep, Toyota only puts these on new cars to help filter better during the break-in period.

I think you can actually buy these from dealers somehow ... but it's not very easy to locate them.


Not really.
When Yen was cheap, Toyota sent these filters to the US dealers. Yen appreciated considerably ( except during the current premier's easy money policies) over the last decade or two. US consumers would not pay more for quality filter. Toyota/Denso started sourcing traditional paper media filters from Thailand for price-elastic markets.

So it is not about break-in material cleaning really. It is about €£$.

Yes, if you are ready to pay a little more you can get Japan-made 'depth media' filters. I am using them right now.

 

[Mikey V.]

I have 2 NOS Toyota 90915-10004 Denson made in Japan oil filters. Anyone interested?

 

[Greasymechtech]

It's not depth media. Razor blade the media apart. Disassemble sections horizontally, vertically, and peeled. Post pictures of what you find.


MV, toss those filters on ebay for a week. Mention it on toyotanation or other Toyota sites and watch them bid like crazy.

 

[kschachn]

Why? I used to buy the 90915-20004 from Carson Toyota for my Sienna, thinking they were "better". But really, are they? I stopped thinking so.

Originally Posted By: michaelluscher

Why can't I get those old style oem 10003 filters anymore for the Camry.

 

[kozanoglu]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Why? I used to buy the 90915-20004 from Carson Toyota for my Sienna, thinking they were "better". But really, are they? I stopped thinking so.

Originally Posted By: michaelluscher

Why can't I get those old style oem 10003 filters anymore for the Camry.


They are, the best for the cars for which they were designed. You can get any Japan made filter you want, now.

 

[kozanoglu]

Originally Posted By: mv6845
I have 2 NOS Toyota 90915-10004 Denson made in Japan oil filters. Anyone interested?

Why do not you use the longer filter on your Celica instead of 10003?