Toyota 90915-YZZF2 C&P
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Well made filter. DENSO
Interesting that the guts are constructed without full end caps, just like their cartridge filters. That's a clever cost-saving trick without any obvious cons.
Originally Posted By: CR94
Interesting that the guts are constructed without full end caps, just like their cartridge filters. That's a clever cost-saving trick without any obvious cons.
And this design yields more square inches of filtering media. Very good filter, no matter what some members say. I have used them on my Toyotas for many years without a problem. I think the whole oil filter things is way over thought. If the manufacturer uses this filter, then it's the filter to use.
Interesting that the guts are constructed without full end caps, just like their cartridge filters. That's a clever cost-saving trick without any obvious cons.
And this design yields more square inches of filtering media. Very good filter, no matter what some members say. I have used them on my Toyotas for many years without a problem. I think the whole oil filter things is way over thought. If the manufacturer uses this filter, then it's the filter to use.
Anyone know how these compare to a more top end filter like the amsoil or bosch distance +?
I have a bunch of the YZZD1 and F2's but I am curious if I should change to something else.
I have a bunch of the YZZD1 and F2's but I am curious if I should change to something else.
Originally Posted By: TheKracken
Anyone know how these compare to a more top end filter like the amsoil or bosch distance +?
I have a bunch of the YZZD1 and F2's but I am curious if I should change to something else.
Efficiency is the big unknown with the OEM. Build quality, as you can see, is excellent.
If efficiency is important to you, the Amsoil and BD+ would probably be the better option.
Anyone know how these compare to a more top end filter like the amsoil or bosch distance +?
I have a bunch of the YZZD1 and F2's but I am curious if I should change to something else.
Efficiency is the big unknown with the OEM. Build quality, as you can see, is excellent.
If efficiency is important to you, the Amsoil and BD+ would probably be the better option.
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
... And this design yields more square inches of filtering media. Very good filter, no matter what some members say. ...
Not as much more effective media length (parallel to filter centerline) as first appears, because a little length at each end is blocked by the molded resin (or adhesive) to prevent oil bypassing between pleats.
Agree about "very good filter." The similarly constructed cartridge versions appear better designed than many aftermarket filters to assure good sealing to the housing at the ends to assure no oil bypasses around the ends. That's more important than potential efficiency of the media itself.
... And this design yields more square inches of filtering media. Very good filter, no matter what some members say. ...
Not as much more effective media length (parallel to filter centerline) as first appears, because a little length at each end is blocked by the molded resin (or adhesive) to prevent oil bypassing between pleats.
Agree about "very good filter." The similarly constructed cartridge versions appear better designed than many aftermarket filters to assure good sealing to the housing at the ends to assure no oil bypasses around the ends. That's more important than potential efficiency of the media itself.
Thanks for the pictures!
Pulled off today, and cut open a Toyota 90915-YZZD1 that was on my pickup for 3,047 miles. Filter was in excellent condition, and looked like your filter. No pictures because I forgot to screw on the oil cap, and had a little mess to clean up in the engine bay.
Just wanted to check the filter for any metal since this old truck is new to me. Did not find any metal, so all is good.
Pulled off today, and cut open a Toyota 90915-YZZD1 that was on my pickup for 3,047 miles. Filter was in excellent condition, and looked like your filter. No pictures because I forgot to screw on the oil cap, and had a little mess to clean up in the engine bay.
Just wanted to check the filter for any metal since this old truck is new to me. Did not find any metal, so all is good.
Thanks for the pictures. I've used this filter for many years.
Typical of DENSO the manufacture quality seems excellent. The anti-drain-back valve seems good.
However, the efficiency of this filter is dismal. It's one of the worst among all oil filters. I think it's probably deliberately so to increase the oil-filter life without having to increase the oil-filter capacity by providing an expensive synthetic filter media.
PDF link
Typical of DENSO the manufacture quality seems excellent. The anti-drain-back valve seems good.
However, the efficiency of this filter is dismal. It's one of the worst among all oil filters. I think it's probably deliberately so to increase the oil-filter life without having to increase the oil-filter capacity by providing an expensive synthetic filter media.
PDF link
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Thanks for the pictures. I've used this filter for many years.
Typical of DENSO the manufacture quality seems excellent. The anti-drain-back valve seems good.
However, the efficiency of this filter is dismal. It's one of the worst among all oil filters. I think it's probably deliberately so to increase the oil-filter life without having to increase the oil-filter capacity by providing an expensive synthetic filter media.
PDF link
Toyota has always valued flow over efficiency ratings. Given the general higher quality and longer engine life most Toyota engines get, lower efficiency rated filters does not seem to be hurting them.
Thanks for the pictures. I've used this filter for many years.
Typical of DENSO the manufacture quality seems excellent. The anti-drain-back valve seems good.
However, the efficiency of this filter is dismal. It's one of the worst among all oil filters. I think it's probably deliberately so to increase the oil-filter life without having to increase the oil-filter capacity by providing an expensive synthetic filter media.
PDF link
Toyota has always valued flow over efficiency ratings. Given the general higher quality and longer engine life most Toyota engines get, lower efficiency rated filters does not seem to be hurting them.
Only thing better would be a yzzf3 with FULL(brand) M PLEAT. WOW THESE WOULD BE UBER IF THEY EXISTED
Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Toyota has always valued flow over efficiency ratings. Given the general higher quality and longer engine life most Toyota engines get, lower efficiency rated filters does not seem to be hurting them.
How do we know that the Toyota/DENSO oil filter has less pressure drop than a premium aftermarket oil filter with synthetic media?
Not a scientific experiment at all but my oil-warning light went off instantly when I cranked my engine after the oil change yesterday with TGMO 0W-20 SN and M1-103.
I also like the huge intake (perimeter) holes on the M1-103.
These guys also claim that the stock filter has more pressure drop than their synthetic-media filter:
http://www.superior-automotive.at/shop/M...uits-MAZDA.html
Also, since M1-103 has twice or more of the capacity of 90915-YZZF2, I would think it would maintain flow (have small pressure drop) for a longer time despite trapping more particles.
Regarding engine longevity it's probably not critical to have a premium oil filter but it probably helps.
Toyota has always valued flow over efficiency ratings. Given the general higher quality and longer engine life most Toyota engines get, lower efficiency rated filters does not seem to be hurting them.
How do we know that the Toyota/DENSO oil filter has less pressure drop than a premium aftermarket oil filter with synthetic media?
Not a scientific experiment at all but my oil-warning light went off instantly when I cranked my engine after the oil change yesterday with TGMO 0W-20 SN and M1-103.
I also like the huge intake (perimeter) holes on the M1-103.
These guys also claim that the stock filter has more pressure drop than their synthetic-media filter:
http://www.superior-automotive.at/shop/M...uits-MAZDA.html
Also, since M1-103 has twice or more of the capacity of 90915-YZZF2, I would think it would maintain flow (have small pressure drop) for a longer time despite trapping more particles.
Regarding engine longevity it's probably not critical to have a premium oil filter but it probably helps.
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Not a scientific experiment at all but my oil-warning light went off instantly when I cranked my engine after the oil change yesterday with TGMO 0W-20 SN and M1-103.
Not surprising considering a positive displacement oil pump is at work. No filter is going to look restrictive to a PD oil pump during a start-up.
Not a scientific experiment at all but my oil-warning light went off instantly when I cranked my engine after the oil change yesterday with TGMO 0W-20 SN and M1-103.
Not surprising considering a positive displacement oil pump is at work. No filter is going to look restrictive to a PD oil pump during a start-up.
Also, there is a huge quality difference between the made-in-Thailand (90915-YZZ*#) and made-in-Japan (90915-#####) Toyota/DENSO oil filters. Japan-made Toyota/DENSO oil filters seem to be the premium type and the Thailand-made filters seem to be the economy type.
https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/t/genuine-toyota-oil-filter-japanese-vs-thailand-made/216337
https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/t/genuine-toyota-oil-filter-japanese-vs-thailand-made/216337
Nha Japanese don't believe in high efficiency .they are more scared of flow problem. Their view ? Car had almost no problem without filter in the past so any filter will do fine as long as its more then 50% . Given every Asian car track record ? I would say Asian view win. Flow matter more then high efficiency .efficiency will go up regardless but you don't want a plugged oil filter at 10000 oil change .would be interesting to know flow rate when oil is 10000mile old vs this Toyota filter at 10000 mile
Back when I was young and stupid I used to buy those unicorn filters from Carson Toyota for a high price. But there is no evidence they are anything better than the paper filter type, only different. They look cool for sure but that's all anyone really knows about them.
I'm on track to get at least 400k out of my 1MZ-FE using mostly the Toyota paper ("economy type") filters, so in hindsight I'm inclined to think it doesn't make any difference at all.
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Also, there is a huge quality difference between the made-in-Thailand (90915-YZZ*#) and made-in-Japan (90915-#####) Toyota/DENSO oil filters. Japan-made Toyota/DENSO oil filters seem to be the premium type and the Thailand-made filters seem to be the economy type.
https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/t/genuine-toyota-oil-filter-japanese-vs-thailand-made/216337
I'm on track to get at least 400k out of my 1MZ-FE using mostly the Toyota paper ("economy type") filters, so in hindsight I'm inclined to think it doesn't make any difference at all.
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Also, there is a huge quality difference between the made-in-Thailand (90915-YZZ*#) and made-in-Japan (90915-#####) Toyota/DENSO oil filters. Japan-made Toyota/DENSO oil filters seem to be the premium type and the Thailand-made filters seem to be the economy type.
https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/t/genuine-toyota-oil-filter-japanese-vs-thailand-made/216337
No evidence except word of mouth that manufacturers prefer flow over efficiency, a myth. The oil pump makes the oil flow at a certain rate according to experts on them. That depth type Denso Japan filter uses an element that probably filters finer than anything made, but of course that is just saying it as well. But it is thick for a reason. I used a number of those and they came new on my Toyota. Another thing about Toyota filters is the center tube is narrow to give more media than others, and they look clean inside.
Finland's Tekniikan Maailma magazine tested oil filters for a Toyota engine in their November 20, 2011, issue.
The ratings combine efficiency, capacity, and ease of use. Toyota/DEMSO OEM filter was rated the most efficient or nearly most efficient filter. It only lost the top spot because the Mann Filter had a slightly higher capacity.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2423218/Oil_filter_test_on_Finnish_car
https://tekniikanmaailma.fi/autot/vertailut/tm-vertailu-oljynsuodattimet
However, it's not clear whether it was a Thailand-made 90915-YZZ*# filter or a Japan-made 90915-##### filter.
One thing I like about the Toyota/DENSO filter is the peace of mind. Even though it may have half-
efficiency, I know there is nothing wrong with the anti-drain-back valve, bypass valve, quality control, etc.
I'll see how Mobil 1 Extended Performance M1-103 does.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Back when I was young and stupid I used to buy those unicorn filters from Carson Toyota for a high price. But there is no evidence they are anything better than the paper filter type, only different. They look cool for sure but that's all anyone really knows about them.
I'm on track to get at least 400k out of my 1MZ-FE using mostly the Toyota paper ("economy type") filters, so in hindsight I'm inclined to think it doesn't make any difference at all.
Carson Toyota parts department is great, as they take discounted online TradeMotion orders. These days you can't get Japan-made 90915-##### oil filters in US -- Thailand-made 90915-YZZ*# only.
The ratings combine efficiency, capacity, and ease of use. Toyota/DEMSO OEM filter was rated the most efficient or nearly most efficient filter. It only lost the top spot because the Mann Filter had a slightly higher capacity.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2423218/Oil_filter_test_on_Finnish_car
https://tekniikanmaailma.fi/autot/vertailut/tm-vertailu-oljynsuodattimet
However, it's not clear whether it was a Thailand-made 90915-YZZ*# filter or a Japan-made 90915-##### filter.
One thing I like about the Toyota/DENSO filter is the peace of mind. Even though it may have half-
I'll see how Mobil 1 Extended Performance M1-103 does.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Back when I was young and stupid I used to buy those unicorn filters from Carson Toyota for a high price. But there is no evidence they are anything better than the paper filter type, only different. They look cool for sure but that's all anyone really knows about them.
I'm on track to get at least 400k out of my 1MZ-FE using mostly the Toyota paper ("economy type") filters, so in hindsight I'm inclined to think it doesn't make any difference at all.
Carson Toyota parts department is great, as they take discounted online TradeMotion orders. These days you can't get Japan-made 90915-##### oil filters in US -- Thailand-made 90915-YZZ*# only.
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