Timing belt

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supton

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Thinking about doing the timing belt on my car. It's nearly due after 4 years / 81k, might as well tackle it while it's still parked. It's rated for 90k.

Was thinking about a TBK kit so as to get the Aisin water pump, but I'm not sure if NPW makes ok water pumps? I found a similar kit that seems ok on eBay; while I'm tempted to go with the TBK as that is what I used last time, if NPW is good enough... then I could save a few bucks. It's $190 vs $125 or so. [The really cheap kits are under $50!]

For the record it's for a 5S-FE which is *not* an interference engine. Both kits use a Mitsuboshi belt. Only looking to get a few more years out of this car, had half a mind to trade out of this car *before* doing this job again, but the used car market is nuts right now.
 
Krieg said:
What is your question? Kit looks like quality Japanese parts! Good luck!
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Is the quality of the NPW water pump good enough for 90k, or should I spring for the extra coin for Aisin?
 
Do you *really* want to do this yourself? *I* think, in terms of resale and because of job difficulty, among other things, have you considered letting a competent, independent shop or the dealership perform the job? You'll get factory parts which means a lot to some people...like me!

:)

When I sold my 2WD Toyota Tacoma a couple of years ago, my buyer was so impressed that all work had been performed by my local Toyota dealership that the topic of vehicle condition wasn't even brought up in conversation. I offered the truck for sale with over 186,000 miles for $7,000...and the buyer paid $7,000 without even negotiating.

Just my .02

Ed
 
supton said:
Thinking about doing the timing belt on my car. It's nearly due after 4 years / 81k, might as well tackle it while it's still parked. It's rated for 90k.

Was thinking about a TBK kit so as to get the Aisin water pump, but I'm not sure if NPW makes ok water pumps? I found a similar kit that seems ok on eBay; while I'm tempted to go with the TBK as that is what I used last time, if NPW is good enough... then I could save a few bucks. It's $190 vs $125 or so. [The really cheap kits are under $50!]

For the record it's for a 5S-FE which is *not* an interference engine. Both kits use a Mitsuboshi belt. Only looking to get a few more years out of this car, had half a mind to trade out of this car *before* doing this job again, but the used car market is nuts right now.
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I had a friend that was an ASE tech at Toyota that worked on my sons 96 Corolla. My son bought all of the parts and my friend charged him $350. Water pump (Aisin), all oil seals, all hoses, t-stat (OEM), Gates timing belt kit (tensioners, belt, etc.), belts, plugs, wires, cap, etc. He also did a piston soak using BG44K.
He had the work done with 210K miles on the FACTORY TIMING BELT! Currently, the car has 255K miles.
 
supton said:
Is the quality of the NPW water pump good enough for 90k, or should I spring for the extra coin for Aisin?
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Go the extra coin for the better water pump, if nothing else for piece if mind...if not that, then to get maybe some extra protection against having to go back in there and do that water pump again.

It's a timing belt, not an oil change. It's something you won't do very often - go with the best stuff within reason. IMO.

I say the same thing with engine coolant...people go out of their way to save $5 bucks on aftermarket coolant...spend three months researching and talking about it on the internet, when it's something that you are only going to replace every 5 years 100,000 miles? That makes no sense to me...and I love to save a buck when I can, but I've also learned that sometimes it can really bite you.
 
No I don't really want to do this job myself--last time I did it I got rained on, and it took the better part of the weekend. Now that I have a garage that I can (sorta) heat it should be better. I think... Famous last words.

This car is worth like $1,500. Maybe. It's a total beater in the eyes of everyone. Most people tend to think oddly of me, as I put General RT43's onto it & tend to use OEM parts. It's old and looks it, no clearcoat left, most seem to think I shouldn't spend any money on it. I'll probably wind up all but giving it away when I'm done with it--which I'm actually ok with, I try to use stuff up and toss out when done.

I don't have to order today but I think I'm leaning towards the Aisin parts. More money but if I wind up keeping for 4 years then I'll sleep better.
 
supton said:
No I don't really want to do this job myself--last time I did it I got rained on, and it took the better part of the weekend. Now that I have a garage that I can (sorta) heat it should be better. I think... Famous last words.

This car is worth like $1,500. Maybe. It's a total beater in the eyes of everyone. Most people tend to think oddly of me, as I put General RT43's onto it & tend to use OEM parts. It's old and looks it, no clearcoat left, most seem to think I shouldn't spend any money on it. I'll probably wind up all but giving it away when I'm done with it--which I'm actually ok with, I try to use stuff up and toss out when done.

I don't have to order today but I think I'm leaning towards the Aisin parts. More money but if I wind up keeping for 4 years then I'll sleep better.
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If it's only worth $1500 and you really don't care, I would just keeping driving it and do bare bones maintenance like brakes and oil changes. No need to spend extra coin on bigger maintenance items.

I've heard of people with beaters who won't even change the oil, they just top it up and keep it running.
 
JC1 said:
If it's only worth $1500 and you really don't care, I would just keeping driving it and do bare bones maintenance like brakes and oil changes. No need to spend extra coin on bigger maintenance items.

I've heard of people with beaters who won't even change the oil, they just top it up and keep it running.
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I've thought of it. I have no reason to think it'll last another 100k. Then again, I have no reason to think it wouldn't. It's old but maybe it's got another 4 years left in it? No rust, no dents, and most everything still works. $125 to ensure another 4 years? It's almost pocket change if I do it myself.

But I do try not to be attached to it. It's just a car, when a repair outweighs the cost of replacement, then I need to move on.
 
The NPW I’ve heard great things about it and Trav recommended it so we know it’s good. I’ve used Aisin on imports with no issues too.
 
clinebarger said:
A 5S-FE TB will do 200,000 & 10 years easy, If it isn't making noise, Leaking oil, Or leaking coolant from behind the cover.....I'd let it ride.
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I wish mine lasted that long. It snapped at 95k miles.

But then again, my 97' Camry had 186k miles on the original timing belt when I changed it, and it was really dry rotted.
 
Heck I haven’t changed the timing belt in any of our timing belt cars. All have 100k plus on them. If I want to replace it I have to pay for it because my dad won’t spend money on anything till it breaks lol. But it is good preventative maintenance practice.
 
Ed_Flecko said:
Do you *really* want to do this yourself? *I* think, in terms of resale and because of job difficulty, among other things, have you considered letting a competent, independent shop or the dealership perform the job? You'll get factory parts which means a lot to some people...like me!

:)

When I sold my 2WD Toyota Tacoma a couple of years ago, my buyer was so impressed that all work had been performed by my local Toyota dealership that the topic of vehicle condition wasn't even brought up in conversation. I offered the truck for sale with over 186,000 miles for $7,000...and the buyer paid $7,000 without even negotiating.

Just my .02

Ed
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I wouldn’t pay a single cent more for a vehicle maintained at the dealer. I’d look at the maintenance done and make a decision from there, though. If the seller had all of the “recommended” maintenance done by a dealer, I’d consider that person a know nothing who got taken advantage of and wonder what might not have bee noticed, like excessive oil consumption. Dealer maintenance by the book is all good, though.

Maybe that’s just me.
 
AutoMechanic said:
Heck I haven’t changed the timing belt in any of our timing belt cars. All have 100k plus on them. If I want to replace it I have to pay for it because my dad won’t spend money on anything till it breaks lol. But it is good preventative maintenance practice.
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Are any of them interference engines? If so when it breaks it's too late.

OP I'm not familiar with your engine but if it's an easy engine to do the timing belt on I'd try one of the $50. kits with a non interference engine. When I drove an '88 Escort it was so easy to change the belt that I used Auto Zone Duralast belts/water pumps and only changed the water pump every other belt change. I was doing 100K mile change intervals. The '88 went 518K miles and I never changed the tensioner.
 
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