Thoughts on Lexus CT200h?

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This is NOT for me.

This is for my Mom. She loves her '08 Mercedes C300 Luxury 4MATIC in every way except for its size (it's a smidge too big) and its relatively weak fuel economy. The CT200h is the only car I can think of that rights those wrongs without (hopefully) compromising on what she likes about her current car (comfort, safety, NVH, etc.).

What do y'all think? Let's hear it: good, bad, ugly, nonsensical, whatever.
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I can't tell the difference between it and a Mazda 3 wagon. I think it is a more stylish alternative to a Prius, but it is extremely slow and doesn't offer a lot of storage space.

To me the CT and HS are the Lexus Cimarron.
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
I can't tell the difference between it and a Mazda 3 wagon. I think it is a more stylish alternative to a Prius, but it is extremely slow and doesn't offer a lot of storage space.

To me the CT and HS are the Lexus Cimarron.
The CT200 is selling very well.
I don't like it,though.
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Nice car, good build quality. Interior is laid out well, exterior look's better than the Prius, but nothing that tickles my fancy. It's ride quality, and interior quality is one step up from the Prius.

It's [censored] slow though, and offer's less mpg than the Prius. Other than it being slow, it's a nice car!
 
If you look on the CT200h forums, a number of people appear to be averaging more than the EPA estimates for that car.

The 0-60 time is misleading because the torque making the car feel stronger than it actually is. Truth is, I have never found the 2nd gen or the 3rd gen Prius to be lacking in power for any normal driving.
 
Slow is relative, as a number of people mention in the 1.0L Focus Ecoboost thread. I've driven a 2nd gen and 3rd gen Prius and neither are "slow" to me. The Lexus version can't be slower than the Prius, can it?
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Slow is relative, as a number of people mention in the 1.0L Focus Ecoboost thread. I've driven a 2nd gen and 3rd gen Prius and neither are "slow" to me. The Lexus version can't be slower than the Prius, can it?


It is but only a few tenths of a second from 0-60.The Prius a couple of hundred pounds lighter.
 
Your mom is the first one to call a C class MB big sedan! Have you thought about doing a "Crocodile Dundee on her? For example, sitting her in a SEL class and then telling her "Mom, this is a BIG car! :-)"
 
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Better looking than a Prius, I don't think a Lincoln/Focus Hybrid is really that much smaller.

It is a Lexus and should hit all the luxury/quality buttons, but... No AWD?

How can a C-Class MB be too big?

Cheers!

p.s. The new one's have a 4 but I'm not sure if 4-Matic is also available.

p.p.s. What a terrible conundrum!
 
I actually test drove one of these. I liked it. It "felt" peppier than the numbers say, the interior seems nicely constructed and the controls are well laid-out. It's not a car for fat (err...gravitionally challenged) people, as is feels kinda tight in the driver's position (this is good for me, may not be good for others).

It was quiet and seemed as though it would be easy to park. I see a few of them around town, as they're pretty popular around here. For me it would never work, as the hatch space wasn't close to what I'd hoped. I'm more Prius V than CT200h, but if the space configuration works I think it would be a good choice.
 
Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
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We don't really consider the C-class a "big car" per se. It's just bigger than Mom needs and prefers.

I'm glad to hear people say that the CT feels peppier than it seems on paper. Mom won't be racing, but she does appreciate a car that feels like it'll do what she requests of it, so a car that feels quicker than it is is a good thing. We'll see how things go if/when we can test drive at CT.

Regarding the lack of AWD: the CT isn't too heavy (and 300-400 lbs lighter than the C300 4MATIC), so FWD should be fine in the snow; everywhere else, she won't notice what wheel drive she has unless there's significant torque steer.
 
Test drive has been done! Overall impressions are positive.


Good:

- Surprising amount of interior room! Front seat area is cozy with that wide center console, but feels nice and airy around head-level. Rear seat legroom is much better than I thought it would be. The only area of concern was rear headroom.

- Steering is nicely weighted and appropriately communicative for driving at moderately brisk speeds.

- Gauge cluster and instrumentation all work well.

- Brakes felt great around town.

- Sight lines were great! The car was very easy to place on the road.

- Driving position was excellent. I actually had a range of seat positions I could use that all felt similarly comfortable, which is rare for me.


Bad:

- If you want to get EPA MPG figures (or better), you need to be in "Normal" or "Eco" mode, but I found throttle response to be fairly annoying in those modes: too much travel was required just to keep up with normal traffic, and there seemed to be a lot of moments when the computers couldn't quite figure out how to juggle the gas engine, electric motors, and CVT to make everything work. "Sport" mode irons all of that out and provides reasonable amounts of torque on demand, but sacrifices fuel economy.

- We drove one with the F-Sport package, and the ride was a bit too firm (albeit very well damped) and there was too much road noise for my taste. I'm not one to write off a car just for this kind of NVH, but it seemed silly next to the odd-feeling powertrain: if I'm going to have a firm ride and lots of tire noise, I want a responsive throttle; if I'm going to putter around with a constantly-juggling hybrid powertrain, I want a quieter and smoother ride. The salesperson told us that the base vehicle is not much softer or quieter, but every little bit would help in this department.


This is no substitute for a Mercedes C300; it's not as relaxing or dynamically flexible. Also, when you run the numbers, the CT doesn't seem to offer enough bang-for-the-buck compared to the Audi A3 or BMW 1-Series, even when you factor in the impressive fuel economy. That said, it is clearly a well engineered and properly thought-out car. However, as a nice, compact, reliable, practical car, the CT is still a good package. It's probably perfect for someone who is willing to forgo the dynamic abilities of its German competitors in favor of that aura of Lexus quality and reliability -- not to mention the ability to take regular gas.
 
I test drove one when it first came out. While I liked it, I'd rather have the Ford Fusion hybrid. Or better yet, the Camry hybrid. I thought the CH was far more responsive and powerful.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
This is NOT for me.

This is for my Mom. She loves her '08 Mercedes C300 Luxury 4MATIC in every way except for its size (it's a smidge too big) and its relatively weak fuel economy. The CT200h is the only car I can think of that rights those wrongs without (hopefully) compromising on what she likes about her current car (comfort, safety, NVH, etc.).

What do y'all think? Let's hear it: good, bad, ugly, nonsensical, whatever.
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I personally like it but that's the gadget guy in me liking the hybrid powertrain (I currently drive an RX400h) .

What about a diesel offering from Audi? That should take care of the fuel economy aspect and you can get one with the Quattro AWD - A4 maybe or A3?
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
An A3 TDI will be the next test drive.

The interior on that car is dated. Really dated.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
An A3 TDI will be the next test drive.

The interior on that car is dated. Really dated.


Audi's typically have wonderful interiors: define a "Realy dated" interior, please.

What! No USB connection?
 
Originally Posted By: Norm Olt
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
An A3 TDI will be the next test drive.

The interior on that car is dated. Really dated.


Audi's typically have wonderful interiors: define a "Realy dated" interior, please.

What! No USB connection?


The current A3's interior is dated compared to the current generation A4.
 
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