Thinner oil isn't always a great idea in a carbed engine-if you have a fuel dilution problem (even if you've never had one in the past) it could spell disaster!
Thin oil provides performance for all engine ?
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Originally Posted By: Dogan
i want to use thin oil for increase of performance a bit more
it feels slow and i dont want choke it with thick oil anymore
If the car is slow and feels slow, there is no oil on earth that will make it fast or feel fast.
Originally Posted By: Dogan
it already leaks and burns oil much, i get used to add oil every 1000miles
i already add oil even thick or thin, at least i want to gain performance without giving up on wear protection
Don't you think that perhaps the engine needs to be looked after? You are concerned about it's "performance", but you do not want to address the excessive oil burning, possibly check the compression, piston deposits or other simple "tune up" things.
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i want to use thin oil for increase of performance a bit more
it feels slow and i dont want choke it with thick oil anymore
If the car is slow and feels slow, there is no oil on earth that will make it fast or feel fast.
Originally Posted By: Dogan
it already leaks and burns oil much, i get used to add oil every 1000miles
i already add oil even thick or thin, at least i want to gain performance without giving up on wear protection
Don't you think that perhaps the engine needs to be looked after? You are concerned about it's "performance", but you do not want to address the excessive oil burning, possibly check the compression, piston deposits or other simple "tune up" things.
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Originally Posted By: Dogan
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Thinner oil unlocks extremely small gains in friction and drag. Very small.
Thicker oil really does protect better, and especially in higher performance applications where the oil is heated to high temps...
what if engine is N/A around 100hp and max rpm 5600
thick oil benefits still valid or just reduces mpg and performance ?
Power density is a huge factor, but usually only if you use it.
So if your car is driven easily in traffic then thin oil is likely fine. Oil temps will be lower. Even high powered engines are unlikely to experience damage if driven easily.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Thinner oil unlocks extremely small gains in friction and drag. Very small.
Thicker oil really does protect better, and especially in higher performance applications where the oil is heated to high temps...
what if engine is N/A around 100hp and max rpm 5600
thick oil benefits still valid or just reduces mpg and performance ?
Power density is a huge factor, but usually only if you use it.
So if your car is driven easily in traffic then thin oil is likely fine. Oil temps will be lower. Even high powered engines are unlikely to experience damage if driven easily.
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Plenty of racing engines use super thin engine oils, but literally the entire engine has been engineered to use and take advantage of that.
Using ultra thin oil in an engine designed for best performance using a thicker oil will get you nothing, except possibly a spun bearing.
This ^^^. If your engine were in good shape, I would suggest using any 10w40 from know manufacturer. Try some High Mileage oil.
Plenty of racing engines use super thin engine oils, but literally the entire engine has been engineered to use and take advantage of that.
Using ultra thin oil in an engine designed for best performance using a thicker oil will get you nothing, except possibly a spun bearing.
This ^^^. If your engine were in good shape, I would suggest using any 10w40 from know manufacturer. Try some High Mileage oil.
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
The thin oil may not lubricate the older engine properly. With metal to metal contact I don't think your gas mileage will be getting better. You might be better off just following the owner's manual.
Thin oil isn't going to result in "metal-on-metal contact". "Thin oils" have been used in colder climates since the dawn of motoring, including SAE10 and SAE20...
'Pardon ?
They can and do reduce the oil film thickness to the point that the surfaces are rubbing...boundary lubrication, where the viscosity is inedequate in and of itself to keep the parts separated.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3744423/Re:_HD_engine,_economy_and_wea#Post3744423 in the HDMO area, and for example the Honda Paper "Effects of Low viscosity Engine Oil on Fuel Economy and Wear".
And as we've discussed before, the HTHS of the mono 20s was 2.9 or thereabouts, making them "really a 30" in the BITOG parlance.
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
The thin oil may not lubricate the older engine properly. With metal to metal contact I don't think your gas mileage will be getting better. You might be better off just following the owner's manual.
Thin oil isn't going to result in "metal-on-metal contact". "Thin oils" have been used in colder climates since the dawn of motoring, including SAE10 and SAE20...
'Pardon ?
They can and do reduce the oil film thickness to the point that the surfaces are rubbing...boundary lubrication, where the viscosity is inedequate in and of itself to keep the parts separated.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3744423/Re:_HD_engine,_economy_and_wea#Post3744423 in the HDMO area, and for example the Honda Paper "Effects of Low viscosity Engine Oil on Fuel Economy and Wear".
And as we've discussed before, the HTHS of the mono 20s was 2.9 or thereabouts, making them "really a 30" in the BITOG parlance.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Plus a 0W20 with an HTHS of 3.6 !!!
Compared with a 3.6 HTHS 5W30 for the OEM specified baseline, and a 2.8HTHS more typical 0W20.
Article is "fresh", being from 2015
A "Heavy Duty Diesel Engine?"
Plus a 0W20 with an HTHS of 3.6 !!!
Compared with a 3.6 HTHS 5W30 for the OEM specified baseline, and a 2.8HTHS more typical 0W20.
Article is "fresh", being from 2015
A "Heavy Duty Diesel Engine?"
But I wouldn't go "thinner" in this case though, no advantage in an older machine...
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Plus a 0W20 with an HTHS of 3.6 !!!
Compared with a 3.6 HTHS 5W30 for the OEM specified baseline, and a 2.8HTHS more typical 0W20.
Article is "fresh", being from 2015
A "Heavy Duty Diesel Engine?"
You purposely missed
Originally Posted By: Shannow
and for example the Honda Paper "Effects of Low viscosity Engine Oil on Fuel Economy and Wear"
:facepalm:
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Plus a 0W20 with an HTHS of 3.6 !!!
Compared with a 3.6 HTHS 5W30 for the OEM specified baseline, and a 2.8HTHS more typical 0W20.
Article is "fresh", being from 2015
A "Heavy Duty Diesel Engine?"
You purposely missed
Originally Posted By: Shannow
and for example the Honda Paper "Effects of Low viscosity Engine Oil on Fuel Economy and Wear"
:facepalm:
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Plus a 0W20 with an HTHS of 3.6 !!!
Compared with a 3.6 HTHS 5W30 for the OEM specified baseline, and a 2.8HTHS more typical 0W20.
Article is "fresh", being from 2015
A "Heavy Duty Diesel Engine?"
You purposely missed
Originally Posted By: Shannow
and for example the Honda Paper "Effects of Low viscosity Engine Oil on Fuel Economy and Wear"
:facepalm:
This one?:
Quote:
Study of Low-Viscosity Engine Oil on Fuel Economy and Engine Reliability
Paper #:
2011-01-1247
Published:
2011-04-12
DOI:
10.4271/2011-01-1247
Citation:
Okuyama, Y., Shimokoji, D., Sakurai, T., and Maruyama, M., "Study of Low-Viscosity Engine Oil on Fuel Economy and Engine Reliability," SAE Technical Paper 2011-01-1247, 2011, doi:10.4271/2011-01-1247.
Author(s):
Yosuke Okuyama
Daichi Shimokoji
Takayuki Sakurai
Masashi Maruyama
Affiliated:
Honda R&D Co., Ltd.
Abstract:
An examination was made on the effect of low-viscosity engine oil on fuel efficiency improvements and engine reliability for the purpose of improving fuel efficiency through the use of select engine oils. Fuel efficiency-improving effects were estimated by measuring friction torque using low-viscosity engine oil. The results show that reducing engine oil viscosity is effective for improving fuel efficiency. In examining engine reliability, attention was paid to the following two aspects which are concerns in practical performance that may arise when engine oil viscosity is reduced.
Engine oil consumption
Sliding wear at high temperatures
Tests and analyses were conducted to develop indexes for engine oil properties that are strongly correlated with each of these two concerns. A strong correlation was found between engine oil consumption and the results of a thermogravimetric analysis, and between high-temperature sliding wear and high-temperature, high-shear viscosity (HTHS). Based on these analyses, low-viscosity engine oil that can overcome the practical performance concerns was prototyped.
Yeah, keep face-palming buddy. King of the sophistic..
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Plus a 0W20 with an HTHS of 3.6 !!!
Compared with a 3.6 HTHS 5W30 for the OEM specified baseline, and a 2.8HTHS more typical 0W20.
Article is "fresh", being from 2015
A "Heavy Duty Diesel Engine?"
You purposely missed
Originally Posted By: Shannow
and for example the Honda Paper "Effects of Low viscosity Engine Oil on Fuel Economy and Wear"
:facepalm:
This one?:
Quote:
Study of Low-Viscosity Engine Oil on Fuel Economy and Engine Reliability
Paper #:
2011-01-1247
Published:
2011-04-12
DOI:
10.4271/2011-01-1247
Citation:
Okuyama, Y., Shimokoji, D., Sakurai, T., and Maruyama, M., "Study of Low-Viscosity Engine Oil on Fuel Economy and Engine Reliability," SAE Technical Paper 2011-01-1247, 2011, doi:10.4271/2011-01-1247.
Author(s):
Yosuke Okuyama
Daichi Shimokoji
Takayuki Sakurai
Masashi Maruyama
Affiliated:
Honda R&D Co., Ltd.
Abstract:
An examination was made on the effect of low-viscosity engine oil on fuel efficiency improvements and engine reliability for the purpose of improving fuel efficiency through the use of select engine oils. Fuel efficiency-improving effects were estimated by measuring friction torque using low-viscosity engine oil. The results show that reducing engine oil viscosity is effective for improving fuel efficiency. In examining engine reliability, attention was paid to the following two aspects which are concerns in practical performance that may arise when engine oil viscosity is reduced.
Engine oil consumption
Sliding wear at high temperatures
Tests and analyses were conducted to develop indexes for engine oil properties that are strongly correlated with each of these two concerns. A strong correlation was found between engine oil consumption and the results of a thermogravimetric analysis, and between high-temperature sliding wear and high-temperature, high-shear viscosity (HTHS). Based on these analyses, low-viscosity engine oil that can overcome the practical performance concerns was prototyped.
Yeah, keep face-palming buddy. King of the sophistic..
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Everyone, doesn't use that "sewing machine 5w30!" It sheers and is "not recommended for sustained high-speed, highway driving"!
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Yeah, keep face-palming buddy. King of the sophistic..
Clearly you've read it...and therefore understand what table 5 us demonstrating, that they hydrodynamic wedge is gone in regions, and relying on additives entirely to do the job.
The conclusion is that it can be managed, while your statement that I responded to was that it was not happening.
Yeah, keep face-palming buddy. King of the sophistic..
Clearly you've read it...and therefore understand what table 5 us demonstrating, that they hydrodynamic wedge is gone in regions, and relying on additives entirely to do the job.
The conclusion is that it can be managed, while your statement that I responded to was that it was not happening.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Yeah, keep face-palming buddy. King of the sophistic..
Clearly you've read it...and therefore understand what table 5 us demonstrating, that they hydrodynamic wedge is gone in regions, and relying on additives entirely to do the job.
The conclusion is that it can be managed, while your statement that I responded to was that it was not happening.
Nick, (I could be wrong here, but), per chance, did you mean to say "sophomoric" rather than "sophistic"?
I agree with Shannow here.
Quite simply, it's easy to understand just by logically thinking: The closer two objects in motion are, more than likely there'll be more friction occurring.
~ Triton
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Yeah, keep face-palming buddy. King of the sophistic..
Clearly you've read it...and therefore understand what table 5 us demonstrating, that they hydrodynamic wedge is gone in regions, and relying on additives entirely to do the job.
The conclusion is that it can be managed, while your statement that I responded to was that it was not happening.
Nick, (I could be wrong here, but), per chance, did you mean to say "sophomoric" rather than "sophistic"?
I agree with Shannow here.
Quite simply, it's easy to understand just by logically thinking: The closer two objects in motion are, more than likely there'll be more friction occurring.
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Originally Posted By: Triton_330
I agree with Shannow here.
Quite simply, it's easy to understand just by logically thinking: The closer two objects in motion are, more than likely there'll be more friction occurring.
~ Triton
^^This. I agree as well.
I agree with Shannow here.
Quite simply, it's easy to understand just by logically thinking: The closer two objects in motion are, more than likely there'll be more friction occurring.
~ Triton
^^This. I agree as well.
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Everyone, doesn't use that "sewing machine 5w30!" It sheers and is "not recommended for sustained high-speed, highway driving"!
There's lots of people on this board who think 5w30 is a THICK oil.
How many times has there been a thread where the specification is
5W-20 but the OP pours in 5w30 by mistake and panics?
Everyone, doesn't use that "sewing machine 5w30!" It sheers and is "not recommended for sustained high-speed, highway driving"!
There's lots of people on this board who think 5w30 is a THICK oil.
How many times has there been a thread where the specification is
5W-20 but the OP pours in 5w30 by mistake and panics?
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
I agree with Shannow here.
Quite simply, it's easy to understand just by logically thinking: The closer two objects in motion are, more than likely there'll be more friction occurring.
~ Triton
^^This. I agree as well.
+1 Shannow's points are factual and logical.
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
I agree with Shannow here.
Quite simply, it's easy to understand just by logically thinking: The closer two objects in motion are, more than likely there'll be more friction occurring.
~ Triton
^^This. I agree as well.
+1 Shannow's points are factual and logical.
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
How many times has there been a thread where the specification is
5W-20 but the OP pours in 5w30 by mistake and panics?
I did the exact opposite in my wife's Taurus. No reason to panic, nothing changed or happened, consumption was normal. Not the end of the world either way...
How many times has there been a thread where the specification is
5W-20 but the OP pours in 5w30 by mistake and panics?
I did the exact opposite in my wife's Taurus. No reason to panic, nothing changed or happened, consumption was normal. Not the end of the world either way...
i read on this forum or on other forums anyone who switched higher grade oil engine feels less powerful
5w30 to 10w30
5w40 to 10w60
now i'm using valvoline maxlife 10w40
i know oil won't add 10 horses on my engine but if thin oil makes it more sensitive to gas pedal its worth to try.
max life 5w40 or other good quality 10-30 or 5-30
full synt. oils even thin have good HTHS value so why they hurts my high speed driving
5w30 to 10w30
5w40 to 10w60
now i'm using valvoline maxlife 10w40
i know oil won't add 10 horses on my engine but if thin oil makes it more sensitive to gas pedal its worth to try.
max life 5w40 or other good quality 10-30 or 5-30
full synt. oils even thin have good HTHS value so why they hurts my high speed driving
5W-20 will turn your car into a top fuel dragster you always dreamed of.
That's what you wanted to hear; I said it.
That's what you wanted to hear; I said it.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
5W-20 will turn your car into a top fuel dragster you always dreamed of.
That's what you wanted to hear; I said it.
It cures male pattern baldness, and the heartbreak of psoriasis I've heard also.
I've found a better solution for baldness.... rub some white toiletparer on your head once per day.
the doubters can come look at my arse to seethe proven results!
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
5W-20 will turn your car into a top fuel dragster you always dreamed of.
That's what you wanted to hear; I said it.
It cures male pattern baldness, and the heartbreak of psoriasis I've heard also.
I've found a better solution for baldness.... rub some white toiletparer on your head once per day.
the doubters can come look at my arse to seethe proven results!
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