Thicker oils are coming back to USA
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Originally Posted by jeepman3071
I find it interesting the concerns about using thinner oils for CAFE requirements when low tension piston rings in many vehicles are causing more oil burning than ever before. 1 quart of oil every 800 miles is somehow justified to get .5 better mpg? Do they test tail pipe emissions before or after the vehicle is burning that much oil? What about the mining for precious metals to replace all those clogged cat converters?
I think driving an econobox that gets 35 mpg and burns no oil would be better for long term emissions compared to one that gets 35.5 mpg but burns 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles.
Has anyone else noticed that new vehicles are becoming unaffordable? Average purchase price is upwards of $35K. Continuing to increase fuel economy standards is actually counterproductive. It costs a lot of money to continually increase fuel standards, and we are starting to approach the point where it may not be technologically feasible without severe compromises in power, safety, and affordability. And people don't want them. Even the switch to DI engines comes at a cost - more frequent oil changes and $400 intake clean-outs. Was any money saved - at all?
Look what happened in Europe with widespread switch to diesel during the past few decades. Widespread asthma due to excessive PM2.5, and barely any increase in economy. Terrible health consequences, especially for children.
I think the manufacturers have done a remarkable job with heavier vehicles, like pickups. 18-20MPG is pretty amazing. Any anyone who wants really good mileage can buy a hybrid, although most are not cost effective.
How many new vehicles will be sold if the average cost is driven up to $45000 or $60000?
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Doesn't that $35k figure a mean figure, which is easily skewed by the sales of luxo cars and full sized trucks, I'd say we really need a graph that shows the sales in several price brackets to get a better picture and a better idea of what the median sales price is, not the mean price
Actually, I think it's been proven time and time again that vehicles are just as affordable as they were two generations ago.
What I could find is that since 1953 to 2020, the average inflation rate for cars has been 1.67% The overall inflation rate over that same period is 3.44%
Cars have been rising in price at about 1/2 the rate of goods in general, meaning cars are MORE affordable today, not less.
Originally Posted by NO2
Has anyone else noticed that new vehicles are becoming unaffordable? Average purchase price is upwards of $35K. Continuing to increase fuel economy standards is actually counterproductive. It costs a lot of money to continually increase fuel standards, and we are starting to approach the point where it may not be technologically feasible without severe compromises in power, safety, and affordability. And people don't want them. Even the switch to DI engines comes at a cost - more frequent oil changes and $400 intake clean-outs. Was any money saved - at all?
Look what happened in Europe with widespread switch to diesel during the past few decades. Widespread asthma due to excessive PM2.5, and barely any increase in economy. Terrible health consequences, especially for children.
I think the manufacturers have done a remarkable job with heavier vehicles, like pickups. 18-20MPG is pretty amazing. Any anyone who wants really good mileage can buy a hybrid, although most are not cost effective.
How many new vehicles will be sold if the average cost is driven up to $45000 or $60000?
Originally Posted by Propflux01
Originally Posted by grampi
What I find even more interesting is why so many people seem to have a phobia about thinner oils...
Originally Posted by jstert
i most commonly see -w40, some -w30, never -w20 in indonesian and philippine big box and hardware stores during my long stays there 2-3 times per year.
The trend towards lower viscosity motor oils, increased MPG and EVs will continue. (<span style="font-style: italic">Fist pounds on the desk at the CAFE HQ somewhere in Metropolis</span>).
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Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Best of both worlds, 0w40!
Originally Posted by jeepman3071
I find it interesting the concerns about using thinner oils for CAFE requirements when low tension piston rings in many vehicles are causing more oil burning than ever before. 1 quart of oil every 800 miles is somehow justified to get .5 better mpg? Do they test tail pipe emissions before or after the vehicle is burning that much oil? What about the mining for precious metals to replace all those clogged cat converters?
I think driving an econobox that gets 35 mpg and burns no oil would be better for long term emissions compared to one that gets 35.5 mpg but burns 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles.
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by Propflux01
Originally Posted by grampi
What I find even more interesting is why so many people seem to have a phobia about thinner oils...
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Best of both worlds, 0w40!
My 2003 Civic Hybrid went 300,000 km on 0W20 and 5W20. I don't see any issues in putting it in a vehicle like that. On my elderly father's Ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi, I put in 5W30 even though it calls for 5W20. It is nice to see China again from satellite pics now that the air pollution has decreased. I hope the fuel efficiency numbers are quickly restored. I have friends who lived in L.A and New York in the 70's. They couldn't believe how much the air quality had improved when they returned to visit 25 to 30 years later. As an asthma sufferer, any amount that air pollution can be decreased is a joy to my lungs!
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Originally Posted by Kamele0N
it seems that you Will be driving again with 10wX & 15wX in your sumps...![[Linked Image]](https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/attachments/usergals/2020/04/full-68162-42857-screenshot_20200401_232821_com.android.chrome.jpg)
Originally Posted by blufeb95
Doesn't that $35k figure a mean figure, which is easily skewed by the sales of luxo cars and full sized trucks, I'd say we really need a graph that shows the sales in several price brackets to get a better picture and a better idea of what the median sales price is, not the mean price
I wonder if like in U.S. sold Hyundai/KIA vehicles, Makes sold in Europe recommend one viscosity but allow for other, thicker ones.
Originally Posted by vw7674
."....54 mpg average by 2025"?
I did not know Obama planned for us all to be riding motorcycles.
Cool.
Originally Posted by javacontour
Actually, I think it's been proven time and time again that vehicles are just as affordable as they were two generations ago.
What I could find is that since 1953 to 2020, the average inflation rate for cars has been 1.67% The overall inflation rate over that same period is 3.44%
Cars have been rising in price at about 1/2 the rate of goods in general, meaning cars are MORE affordable today, not less.
Originally Posted by Kamele0N
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