The South remains the largest gainer in migration.

[Number_35]

Don't forget high taxes and high crime.

Absolutely, and these would be reflected in interstate migration.

 

[pbm]

Indeed, my sister's BF works for UHC and his department sole job is to find current clients that they can drop; and they just dropped whole boatloads of elders.



This is very true. Some folks are lucky to have never experienced or seen this type of destitution in our country. It takes a village to raise a child.

Actually...it takes a FAMILY to raise a child....the whole 'village' thing is nonsense IMO. There are too many children without 2 parents now and more often than not it's the father missing.

 

[alarmguy]

Interesting.

So no other professions require time, money, sacrifice, and hard academic work?!?

Funny that you’re talking to someone with a terminal degree in an advanced technical field, married to someone with a doctorate in a medical field that isn’t allowed to have quite as much of a racket (though still very much so)… so who doesn’t understand the hard work? I’m not here to measure phallus on what is harder or easier. And don’t throw our stupid null responses like other folks could have gone into the field. Not everyone wants to. And that’s fine. Lots of professions have folks lives and outcomes in their hands…. Not everyone wishes to do medicine. Some folks do substantially better than folks in medicine, so…???

And, you made my point - hundreds of thousands of dollars with nil out of pocket from you. Paid for by whom? And who reaps the outcomes? Charged at what rates of pay for how much time spent? I absolutely appreciate and see the need of a “for reward” system that pushes innovation and investment. That doesn’t change the fact that the system sucks. One of many. We can gripe about auto dealerships, or mechanics, or tradespeople, or any other billable good or service, but we can’t question medicine?

But note the point I made, the medical industrial complex. Administration… while the folks providing the services are treated like trash. I see the lives many of my inlaws in multiple medical fields live. Some of it is good, some of it treats them like crap. Nurses, doctors, and therapists included.

So I’m glad that you got huge services, and a good outcome. And I’m not disparaging anybody’s training or performance or the benefit to society. But I have no doubt that the system wastes in many ways.

This is old - from The Institute of Medicine via the Atlantic, back in 2012. Do you think it’s gotten better or worse? Who is at fault for what was $750B/yr back then?

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I don’t see it improved. I do see the amounts charged for minimal times provided for services rendered. I use an HDHP - I probably see the costs of care closer than most. That said, more people desperately needing services as they age, which was my premise… Will it get better or worse? I suspect many see it as a huge profit center. And charge accordingly. For primary care and for other services. We were talking about wealth transfer from older generations. These generations will be consuming LESS of everything besides healthcare and medicine. This why it’s brought up here. It is a mechanism of wealth transfer.

My only point was your reference to doctors lining their pockets with money

 

[alarmguy]

The South leads in violent crime per capita compared to any other region and decimates any other region in murders. The NE region is the lowest. I do not think that's it.

I think you have to go state by state
For example, Pennsylvania murder rate is much higher than Florida
Actually, Florida is actually lower than California and Nevada
New Mexico tops, Tennessee and Alabama

I do agree the southeast has quite a few, but if you really look at the numbers, it’s kind of splitting hairs

But it certainly doesn’t decimate on a state by state level.
Here is a pretty cool murder map
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/murder-rate-by-state

 

[ProbeGT]

FL and TX share many of the same people magnets:

1. No state income tax
2. Warm weather
3. Law and order
4. Somewhat fiscally responsible state government, hence relatively low tax burden on businesses and individuals, leading to 5
5. Friendly to business - low taxes, manageable regulations, leading to 6
6. Healthy labor market. Lots of job opportunities
7. Somewhat affordable housing, although this is getting worse
8. Overall low/avg cost of living
9. No marxism/wokeism

I moved from NY to TX in 2017. Wish I had done it decades earlier.

 

[Pew]

I think you have to go state by state
For example, Pennsylvania murder rate is much higher than Florida
Actually, Florida is actually lower than California and Nevada
New Mexico tops, Tennessee and Alabama

I do agree the southeast has quite a few, but if you really look at the numbers, it’s kind of splitting hairs

But it certainly doesn’t decimate on a state by state level.
Here is a pretty cool murder map
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/murder-rate-by-state

True, state by state is more accurate but generally speaking as region the South has more violent crimes whilst New England region has the lowest.

Actually...it takes a FAMILY to raise a child....the whole 'village' thing is nonsense IMO. There are too many children without 2 parents now and more often than not it's the father missing.

It takes both. You can have the best family but if you're surrounded by a bad neighborhood with little to offer for jobs and a school system that constantly berates you and had no after school activities or additional in-school educational help, then you're already started down a bad path.

My younger sister went through 3 or 4 different highschools, each one was in a poorer district than the last and every single time there was less opportunities as far as career learning or outside activities and a lot less educational help. The education in general was worse the poorer the district was, she was two years ahead of her class going from her Georgia HS to an Oklahoma HS.

Does the 'South' have a revolving door justice system like New York?

No idea but if you're insinuating that the South does not have a revolving door then there are 8 southern states that have a higher violent crime rate than NY.

Now if we're talking general crime rates, then unsurprisingly Washington, Colorado, and California move up a couple places but Louisiana, Arkansas, and Tennessee is still right next to them on the leaderboard.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Most violent crime is either gang/drug related or someone you know. It’s also often concentrated, like Oakland or South Side of Chicago. So even looking at state level is a false straw man, IMHO. Just pick a good neighborhood.

 

[Pew]

Most violent crime is either gang/drug related or someone you know. It’s also often concentrated, like Oakland or South Side of Chicago. So even looking at state level is a false straw man, IMHO. Just pick a good neighborhood.

That's a point I was making in another thread too. It's kind of wrong to wrap an entire region or state for very localized issues. For example, NorCal is way different than Socal or Portland and the rest of Oregon.

Sometimes picking a good neighborhood and moving is not as easy as it seems nowadays with the massive rise in rent and inflation, and instability of jobs especially when combined with proximity family members who could be helping with, for example, childcare.

 

[pbm]

True, state by state is more accurate but generally speaking as region the South has more violent crimes whilst New England region has the lowest.



It takes both. You can have the best family but if you're surrounded by a bad neighborhood with little to offer for jobs and a school system that constantly berates you and had no after school activities or additional in-school educational help, then you're already started down a bad path.

My younger sister went through 3 or 4 different highschools, each one was in a poorer district than the last and every single time there was less opportunities as far as career learning or outside activities and a lot less educational help. The education in general was worse the poorer the district was, she was two years ahead of her class going from her Georgia HS to an Oklahoma HS.



No idea but if you're insinuating that the South does not have a revolving door then there are 8 southern states that have a higher violent crime rate than NY.

Now if we're talking general crime rates, then unsurprisingly Washington, Colorado, and California move up a couple places but Louisiana, Arkansas, and Tennessee is still right next to them on the leaderboard.

The crime rate in Tennessee is skewed because of Memphis.....New York because of NYC....Pennsylvania because of Philadelphia etc....I think Washington DC has the highest violent crime rate in the country.

 

[alarmguy]

Most violent crime is either gang/drug related or someone you know. It’s also often concentrated, like Oakland or South Side of Chicago. So even looking at state level is a false straw man, IMHO. Just pick a good neighborhood.

Exactly

 

[Rmay635703]

Most violent crime is either gang/drug related or someone you know. It’s also often concentrated, like Oakland or South Side of Chicago. So even looking at state level is a false straw man, IMHO. Just pick a good neighborhood.

And contrary to popular belief crime has mostly been falling, especially amongst younger Americans.

It is expected in 10-20 years much of the prison population will be dead or aged out as the revolving door is almost all made up of a particular generation.

Meaning many empty prisons .

The “majority “ of crime is done by an extremely small subset of people primarily in or at the behest of organized crime.

A massive amount of crime is done by foreign entities and governments that never touch our soil to the point fraud amongst actual physical people in the country is rare and almost always caught, making many recent draconian efforts laughable and only punitive to the law abiding with no affect on the true source of the problem which is overseas and run like a legit business in the back of a call center.

 

[Pew]

And contrary to popular belief crime has mostly been falling, especially amongst younger Americans.

It is expected in 10-20 years much of the prison population will be dead or aged out as the revolving door is almost all made up of a particular generation.

Meaning many empty prisons .

The “majority “ of crime is done by an extremely small subset of people primarily in or at the behest of organized crime.

A massive amount of crime is done by foreign entities and governments that never touch our soil to the point fraud amongst actual physical people in the country is rare and almost always caught, making many recent draconian efforts laughable and only punitive to the law abiding with no affect on the true source of the problem which is overseas and run like a legit business in the back of a call center.

Here's a website with a good summary:

https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-year-end-2024-update/

 

[tbm5690]

It takes both. You can have the best family but if you're surrounded by a bad neighborhood with little to offer for jobs and a school system that constantly berates you and had no after school activities or additional in-school educational help, then you're already started down a bad path.

Regardless of how good a school or its programs are, IMO too many parents are hands off with their kids when it comes to education. Just because they go to school doesn't mean you should rely primarily on the state to educate your kids. Parenting extends past feeding and clothing...it includes educating and parents are ultimately responsible for the education of their children.

 

[Dave Hess]

Lots of younger adults have given up hope on the American Dream and having what their parents had by their late 20’s to early 30’s.

Crazy inflation destroyed housing, thanks to trillions and trillions of Covid cash pumped into economy.
Stagnant wages and lots of crap jobs with zero growth or security.

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I posted before my dad supported a family of 6 on one paycheck and was an A&P mechanic (union) for Pan Am airline. We were fortunate to have union benefits, with great health and dental. My mom was a stay at home mother and raised 4 kids WITHOUT any financial stress. This was in the late 60’s to early 80’s.

New 3-2-2 ranch house that was $33K in 1971 and 2 paid off cars (dad always paid cash) for entry level basic cars, example 1976 Chevy Nova sedan. I looked on Zillow and that house is now worth $670K.

^^^^^
I mentioned this to younger adults recently and they looked at me as if I was crazy and making this up.

My dad retired when Pan Am declared bankruptcy in 1991 and that was the end of his time in the workforce.

I think you mentioned having 2 adult daughters. Do you help them ?

Imagine the same A&P mechanic in the USA 2025 trying to support a family of 6 on one paycheck and paying a mortgage, taxes, insurances, food, utilities, saving for retirement / emergency savings, … etc… while trying to keep roof over their heads.

I have 3 retirements at my non union job:
Pension
Voluntary pension
401K

^^^^
Things like this will never be seen by today’s folks starting their careers. When I mention 3 retirement plans at my job these younger folks think I’m kidding around.

Southwest Airlines A&P posts his paycheck on Reddit.



This A&P can support a family on 1 income if they have a strict budget. I’m sure he worked lots of OT throughout 2025. Good for him.

$223,000 gross for 2025.

 

[Owen Lucas]

I know a few doctors, and they aren't as rich as many think. It's the insurance companies and hospital admin, making most of the money. Unless you are a transplant surgeon or a rare specialty, they aren't lining their pockets with extra services or cash somehow. I understand the good ole days when pharma would bribe you to use there meds are gone, free vacations, etc. That wasn't right to begin with but unless you own your own practice, or do plastic surgery and upsell stuff, it's not raining money.

 

[Rmay635703]

I know a few doctors, and they aren't as rich as many think. It's the insurance companies and hospital admin, making most of the money. Unless you are a transplant surgeon or a rare specialty, they aren't lining their pockets with extra services or cash somehow. I understand the good ole days when pharma would bribe you to use there meds are gone, free vacations, etc. That wasn't right to begin with but unless you own your own practice, or do plastic surgery and upsell stuff, it's not raining money.

Good reason for the euro or Japan system, doctors are paid adequately but hospitals, insurance companies and other middlemen are mostly cut out.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Weird, the media keeps telling us 1.5*C is going to cause the oceans to boil and these people just keep moving closer to the sun!!

 

[4wd]

Weird, the media keeps telling us 1.5*C is going to cause the oceans to boil and these people just keep moving closer to the sun!!

Didn’t the post Katrina movie producer do that ?

 

[Blagoje]

One of my best friends from the military retired and his family has been living in the Salt Lake City area for several years now and they want to move out badly. They really hate the inversion that goes on with the weather and mountains there as well as the desert climate in general. They're thinking about moving somewhere like Kansas City.

I am planning on selling my house in East Central Illinois this spring and moving to upstate New York to go back to school. I don't particularly want to live in Illinois or New York State but for what I want to do in life this is what I must do. I will still have one house in the St Louis area which I will attend to in the years ahead.

I know several people who currently live in the Austin, Texas area who have related to me that it has blown up faster than the infrastructure can keep up with the population. I've seen this in other cities like Nashville and it can take a while for things to sort themselves out, like a decade or so. They may be trendy areas to relocate to but it comes with a price in terms of headaches you'll have to deal with and I'm just not interested.

 

[4wd]

I know a few doctors, and they aren't as rich as many think. It's the insurance companies and hospital admin, making most of the money. Unless you are a transplant surgeon or a rare specialty, they aren't lining their pockets with extra services or cash somehow. I understand the good ole days when pharma would bribe you to use there meds are gone, free vacations, etc. That wasn't right to begin with but unless you own your own practice, or do plastic surgery and upsell stuff, it's not raining money.

One of my favorite self gratification monuments is a plaque where a tort lawyer made a donation to a hospital - only it fails to mention how many others he sued - and hard
Well, guess he had to be on one whitelist