Originally Posted By: MarkC
Well, Mr. Sharp, we eagerly await your postiong of data and its sources showing that the global average temperature is declingin, your satellite images showing the Arctic ice pack advancing rather than melting, how about some of those many peer-reviewed articles from the 70's about the impending Ice Age (forgetting entirely that technically we're still in the last one), etc....
And why do you insist on such leaps of illogic that anyone wants to "revert" to living like a Chinese peasant (which would entail having lived like one before, which would be a surprise) just because they don't want to live like reckless pigs anymore? It's typical bovine poop, used for effect and distraction, and just isn't true.
You're good at sound bites, but what backs it up? Maybe you should start your own AM radio talk show!
Sorry Mark, if you build a straw man don't expect me to put clothes on it. I've never once maintained that global temps are not changing although I will say we are unsure how much and we're certainly unsure of why.
And face it, the AGW crowd can't explain it either. Unless you have links that prove otherwise with any surety lets accept that fact and move on.
No, I can't produce many links from on internet from the 70's so I'll give you that one. Al Gore should have invented the internet sooner.
The Chinese peasant comment was based on a couple of things. Some of the comments made that we need to ration fuel, or force people to use mass transit, or move into cities, or raise CAFE numbers to some much larger number, etc. etc. And also from my observations of the likely effects of the carbon trade and cap schemes that have been put forth. What exactly will the effects of trading carbon credits be past a mass transfer of wealth from the US and other wealthy countries to "undeveloped" countries like China?
What exactly are we capping? Carbon output or just the carbon output of the west and the $$ in western pocketbooks?
If this is such an issue then why do poor countries get a pass? And on a macro level, if you make more $$ than I do or for some reason or another generate more carbon than I do will you have to buy carbon credits from me to drive your car to work? If not, why not? If it's a good idea globally why isn't it good nationally?
Talk show host. I do like that!
I bet the money is almost as good as flying around trying to sell carbon credits!
Anyway, so you don't feel I cheated you I won't let go without any links. For your entertainment, here's a link to how we measure some of those rising temps you keep talking about -
http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php
Look at the photos and read the site surveys. We have sites with air conditioning unit exhausts blowing on the sensors, sites that were 20 years ago in open fields that are now in asphalt parking lots, and even a site where the recorders noticed that when they watered the grass the temps would drop. Yet they dutifully recorded those temps and they went right into the climate record. Accuracy? Hey, who needs it right?
Me for one. In my case I've been working with process instrumentation for about 30 years and if one of my underlings did temperature measurements in that manner I'd let them explain what happened to the unemployment office.
Feel free to call this junk science, "science" and keep the faith brother. But I won't...
