The Democratic Party supports Michael Moore?

[Mystic]

I am a registered Democrat (seriously thinking now about becoming a Republican). I have a question for the Democratic Party. How can the Democratic Party support somebody like Michael Moore? Ever been to his web site?

Two sentences from Moore's web site: "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the revolution, the Minutemen and their numbers will grow-and they will win."

Anybody who will support somebody who is willing to say stuff like the above has lost my support. End of story.

 

[rpn453]

If that reference is only about the occupation of Iraq, then I agree with Michael Moore on this one (and I am not a Moore fan at all). It is very difficult for a foreign power to control another country from within.

If a country came in and took over Canada in order to exploit its resources, I'd probably grab some explosives and firearms and rebel as well.

 

[MAJA]

It should come as no surprise that the Democrats support Michael Moore.

But to quote rpn453, "It is very difficult for a foreign power to control another country from within.", I disagree. The Allies did it in Germany right after World War two, and the US did it in Japan, AT THE SIME TIME!! There were insurgents in Germany and Japan, just as there are in Iraq today. Probably more so, and better equipped. But did we let it weaken our resolve then? NO. Its this instant-on news reporting by the liberal-biased news organizations that want us to fail. Turning over power back to Iraq was a major step in the right direction, and theres much more to be done. We will not occupy Iraq forever, and everyone knows that. The question is if we will have patience, and get out at the right time, or cave in and get out at the wrong time, and leave a outlaw nation unwilling to deal with its own problems. Time will tell.......

 

[MarkC]

There were no American deaths in Japan during the occupation and no uprisings against the forces there. In Germany, there were about 45 American deaths.
Different time, different places, different situations.

 

[MAJA]

War followed by occupation, is war followed by occupation, no matter what time. Same as in the days of the Roman Legions. The weapons used get more sophisticated, and deadlier, but the stakes are the same. I dont want our troops there, or in South Korea or in Afganistan. I say post them on our borders to keep out illegals. But that wont happen. But as long as we have a job to do, lets do it, and not go half way.

 

[STSinNYC]

Mystic, I once was a Democrat. I grew up in the Midwest. Years ago the Democratic party had at its heart a genuine concern for the needs for working people and those less successful in our economy. The policies of the party in those years contributed greatly to the quality of life of working people, and that legacy is a positive one today.

The old Democratic party was conservative on moral values and on defense. Think of Harry Truman.

Unfortunately, in the last 20 years, the Democratic party has become heavily influenced by an extreme liberal activist wing. This wing is very secular, antimilitary, pro-abortion, is opposed to the culture having a moral center in traditional values. The Michael Moores of the country are loved by that radical wing. That's why he has friends and supporters who are prominent Democrats.

Ten years ago I voted about 75% for Democratic candidates. Now I vote 90% Republican. I will be voting for President Bush. I don't agree with everything he does. I believe all wars are tragedies, but some are necessary, e.g. Iraq. I don't say that lightly; six men in our family are on active duty in our military, one served in the war last year and has been told that he is going back in January. The consequences of the Iraq decision are very personal for our family. I think the war was well planned but we have clearly struggled in the occupation. Some of that was inevitable, but we could have done better.

I have considered the Kerry positions on many issues, and in weighing them, I find that I believe the Republican policies are better for the country in the long term.

The far left hates traditional American values. They hate Bush with a passion not seen against a President since the 1930's. Mystic, I understand the disappointment you feel. Sadly, the Democratic party today is far different from the one that has dome so much for the good in our country. I think in years to come, you'll be comfortable with the wisdom of your move to the Republican side.

 

[Mystic]

STSinNYC, I agree with your post completely. You seem to think like me, even though we live in completely different parts of the country. I consider myself a liberal. I am not a right wing extremist in any way, although some at this site would probably consider me one. There are people in the Catholic church who would not be too fond of me, because I believe that priests should be allowed to marry, and I see no reason why a woman could not be a priest. And because of my school training (I have a minor in Anthropology) and my lifetime experiences I have been exposed to a lot of different viewpoints and met many people with many differing religious beliefs. I have seen Buddhist temples and I have talked to women who believed in Wicca. I have met people who considered themselves medicine men (and women).

I WANT to be a Democrat. But I find myself voting increasingly Republican. The Democratic Party has been hijacked just like terrorists have hijacked Islam. And frankly, I don't consider people who want to control other people to be liberals. And there are many people in the Democratic Party today who are frankly Socialists. Socialism is a failed concept.

I am a loyal American. Some of these people like Michael Moore seem to find this country so distasteful that I wonder why these people don't go somewhere else. Moore would probably like living in France. My father in World War II helped to liberate France from Nazi Germany. And some of my family came from Normandy, France.

I find your posts to be excellent. I have now seen a few of your posts. Keep up the good work. I hope my posts are as good as yours.

 

[XS650]

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Originally posted by Mystic:

I am a loyal American. Some of these people like Michael Moore seem to find this country so distasteful that I wonder why these people don't go somewhere else.

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Fortunately for you, our founding fathers didn't just leave because the found the existing gumnt objectionable.

Is that your approach to handling problems? If not, why do you expect others to cut and run when they see something wrong with this country?

 

[buster]

The far left and far right are both equally as bad. Most Americans are in the middle and moderate on most issues. Hollywood is extremely progressive and far left. The Bible belt states are far right. They both are bad in their own way. I personally like John McCain, Evan Baye and Joe Biden. These guys seem genuine and are more likeable. But they aren't running! I don't lock myself into a box or poltical party. If I think a Democrate would be better, I'd vote for him. It just depends. The Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannitys of the world make it out like every Liberal is a wacko idiot and only conservative ideas/solutions are the right ones.

 

[Al]

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Originally posted by MarkC:
There were no American deaths in Japan during the occupation and no uprisings against the forces there. In Germany, there were about 45 American deaths.
Different time, different places, different situations.

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Not that you heard of anyway. There were no imbeded reporters who reported every atrocity. I'm willing to bet there were casualties that went "unreported".

You won't find a lot of instances where American G.I.s actually documented killing of prisioners (During WWII). But if it was deemed that a German prisionar had vital information and didn't talk..oh well.