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Thought I was going to emerge from the list innocent of ownership on any of them but.... I had a 1975 Mustang II as a college beater from 1983 - 1985.
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Originally Posted By: Spazdog
What did the Mustang II do? It sold.
Ah, point taken if the full reasoning is that it kept Ford afloat. But you still have to ask "where did they all go?" I see older Mustangs as well as contemporary Satellites, Chargers, Barracudas, Challengers, Novas, Camaros, Buick GSes, GTOs, 442's, Monte Carlos, and Firebirds at car shows but almost NEVER a Mustang II.
I disagree that the 71-73 mustang had "become" something bad, at least no worse than any other post-70 muscle vehicle became. I was never that much a fan of the 65-67 Mustang though I certainly liked it. In my opinion, both the Mustang and Barracuda came into their own during their SECOND iterations- larger, bigger engines, closer to the midsize muscle cars. But that's just me, I know a lot of guys that think the 1970 upsizing ruined the Barracuda and prefer the A-body.
What did the Mustang II do? It sold.
Ah, point taken if the full reasoning is that it kept Ford afloat. But you still have to ask "where did they all go?" I see older Mustangs as well as contemporary Satellites, Chargers, Barracudas, Challengers, Novas, Camaros, Buick GSes, GTOs, 442's, Monte Carlos, and Firebirds at car shows but almost NEVER a Mustang II.
I disagree that the 71-73 mustang had "become" something bad, at least no worse than any other post-70 muscle vehicle became. I was never that much a fan of the 65-67 Mustang though I certainly liked it. In my opinion, both the Mustang and Barracuda came into their own during their SECOND iterations- larger, bigger engines, closer to the midsize muscle cars. But that's just me, I know a lot of guys that think the 1970 upsizing ruined the Barracuda and prefer the A-body.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
2001 Aztek:
nice try, but that is some non-production concept aztek. howabout the REAL one:
compared to the previous generation Mazda5 (the new one you posted I admit has some weird lines...)
2001 Aztek:
nice try, but that is some non-production concept aztek. howabout the REAL one:
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Ive had 7 mustangs and my rebuilt Stang II cobra was the best handler - MUCH MUCH better than the garbage fox chassis strut car. The Modular SLA on the stang II was very well engineered.
There's a reason people cut their front clips off and installed this front end in older hot rods. And they got disc brakes, while at it.
Ive had 7 mustangs and my rebuilt Stang II cobra was the best handler - MUCH MUCH better than the garbage fox chassis strut car. The Modular SLA on the stang II was very well engineered.
There's a reason people cut their front clips off and installed this front end in older hot rods. And they got disc brakes, while at it.
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
What did the Mustang II do? It sold.
Ah, point taken if the full reasoning is that it kept Ford afloat. But you still have to ask "where did they all go?" I see older Mustangs as well as contemporary Satellites, Chargers, Barracudas, Challengers, Novas, Camaros, Buick GSes, GTOs, 442's, Monte Carlos, and Firebirds at car shows but almost NEVER a Mustang II.
I disagree that the 71-73 mustang had "become" something bad, at least no worse than any other post-70 muscle vehicle became. I was never that much a fan of the 65-67 Mustang though I certainly liked it. In my opinion, both the Mustang and Barracuda came into their own during their SECOND iterations- larger, bigger engines, closer to the midsize muscle cars. But that's just me, I know a lot of guys that think the 1970 upsizing ruined the Barracuda and prefer the A-body.
God, not me. I am E-bodies for life.
I love the 70 and 71 Cuda and Challenger. Pure awesomeness.
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
What did the Mustang II do? It sold.
Ah, point taken if the full reasoning is that it kept Ford afloat. But you still have to ask "where did they all go?" I see older Mustangs as well as contemporary Satellites, Chargers, Barracudas, Challengers, Novas, Camaros, Buick GSes, GTOs, 442's, Monte Carlos, and Firebirds at car shows but almost NEVER a Mustang II.
I disagree that the 71-73 mustang had "become" something bad, at least no worse than any other post-70 muscle vehicle became. I was never that much a fan of the 65-67 Mustang though I certainly liked it. In my opinion, both the Mustang and Barracuda came into their own during their SECOND iterations- larger, bigger engines, closer to the midsize muscle cars. But that's just me, I know a lot of guys that think the 1970 upsizing ruined the Barracuda and prefer the A-body.
God, not me. I am E-bodies for life.
I love the 70 and 71 Cuda and Challenger. Pure awesomeness.
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Oops. Almost forgot. I talked my then girl friend (now wife) into buying a 1988 Volkswagen Fox. A bit homely (the car...) but surprisingly fun to drive.
Originally Posted By: mpvue
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
2001 Aztek:
nice try, but that is some non-production concept aztek. howabout the REAL one:
compared to the previous generation Mazda5 (the new one you posted I admit has some weird lines...)
AAAAHHHHHHH... My eyes, I'm blinded by the ugly! lol
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
2001 Aztek:
nice try, but that is some non-production concept aztek. howabout the REAL one:
AAAAHHHHHHH... My eyes, I'm blinded by the ugly! lol
Fortunately for ugly cars and ugly women, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I don't think the Azteks controversial styling choices make it the worst car of all time; it just makes it ugly. The handful of people I know that had / have one, really seemed to like them.
That list was mostly garbage, there were many good cars on it. So the 914 started out as a VW - so what, who cares?
It reminded me of why I don't pay much attention to people who write about cars.
I don't think the Azteks controversial styling choices make it the worst car of all time; it just makes it ugly. The handful of people I know that had / have one, really seemed to like them.
That list was mostly garbage, there were many good cars on it. So the 914 started out as a VW - so what, who cares?
It reminded me of why I don't pay much attention to people who write about cars.
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Oops. Almost forgot. I talked my then girl friend (now wife) into buying a 1988 Volkswagen Fox. A bit homely (the car...) but surprisingly fun to drive.
LoneRanger strikes again! Brother from another mother! I had one too - a sort of maroon copper colour. Drove like a little Audi - more refined than the Rabbit/Golf at the time. 1.8 mechanical CIS FI with lamda control tacked on. Was that Ke Jetronic? IIRC?
Oops. Almost forgot. I talked my then girl friend (now wife) into buying a 1988 Volkswagen Fox. A bit homely (the car...) but surprisingly fun to drive.
LoneRanger strikes again! Brother from another mother! I had one too - a sort of maroon copper colour. Drove like a little Audi - more refined than the Rabbit/Golf at the time. 1.8 mechanical CIS FI with lamda control tacked on. Was that Ke Jetronic? IIRC?
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Originally Posted By: Win
I don't think the Azteks controversial styling choices make it the worst car of all time; it just makes it ugly. The handful of people I know that had / have one, really seemed to like them.
That list was mostly garbage, there were many good cars on it. So the 914 started out as a VW - so what, who cares?
agreed. all were captioned w/ sound bits trying to sound witty, but offering no proof of why they should be on the list. I also noticed he called the cavalier AND the citation the 1st GM FWD cars.
stupid list.
I don't think the Azteks controversial styling choices make it the worst car of all time; it just makes it ugly. The handful of people I know that had / have one, really seemed to like them.
That list was mostly garbage, there were many good cars on it. So the 914 started out as a VW - so what, who cares?
agreed. all were captioned w/ sound bits trying to sound witty, but offering no proof of why they should be on the list. I also noticed he called the cavalier AND the citation the 1st GM FWD cars.
stupid list.
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Originally Posted By: mpvue
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: mpvue
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Given the Mercedes wagon, the Aztec is a beauty - just a little to "fashion forward" for its time. I actuall LIKE it and Ive done high end mechanical packaging design and have sophisticated taste. Now that MAzda five minivan makes me regurgitate along with the hideous mercedes R class.
wow.
one of the most ridiculous statements I've read on here in a long time, and that's saying something...
and to remind you how 'fashion forward' Pontiac was, they spelled it 'AZTEK'.
I'll take a picture of my cinnamon red Mazda5 next to my neighbor's pea green Aztek and see if anyone agrees with you.
Don't bother they both suck, but I would still rather have the Aztek.
your blind allegiance to the General is apparent in the list of vehicles in your signature, so no surprise in you picking the Aztek.
funny thing is, although the Aztek is WAY ugly and could have been packaged better (it's really just a tall 5 seat hatchback; it should have a 3rd row), for my neighbor at least, it's been reliable for years.
A little assuming aren't we? I said they both suck. You didn't ask why I would rather have the Aztek, before you opened your mouth. I am familiar with the drive train so it would be easier for me to work with.
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: mpvue
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Given the Mercedes wagon, the Aztec is a beauty - just a little to "fashion forward" for its time. I actuall LIKE it and Ive done high end mechanical packaging design and have sophisticated taste. Now that MAzda five minivan makes me regurgitate along with the hideous mercedes R class.
wow.
one of the most ridiculous statements I've read on here in a long time, and that's saying something...
and to remind you how 'fashion forward' Pontiac was, they spelled it 'AZTEK'.
I'll take a picture of my cinnamon red Mazda5 next to my neighbor's pea green Aztek and see if anyone agrees with you.
Don't bother they both suck, but I would still rather have the Aztek.
your blind allegiance to the General is apparent in the list of vehicles in your signature, so no surprise in you picking the Aztek.
funny thing is, although the Aztek is WAY ugly and could have been packaged better (it's really just a tall 5 seat hatchback; it should have a 3rd row), for my neighbor at least, it's been reliable for years.
A little assuming aren't we? I said they both suck. You didn't ask why I would rather have the Aztek, before you opened your mouth. I am familiar with the drive train so it would be easier for me to work with.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
The biggest joke were those 4 banger Camaros and Mustangs. A bicycle would out run those things!
4 banger Camaro? Did I miss something?
If I were to ever decide I wanted to buy a 3rd-gen Camaro, I'd get the 4-cyl. Just because. And I'd take it to car shows and cruise nights. Fully restored and spotlessly clean, it would be interesting to hear people's comments and/or see how quickly they recognize what it is.
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
The biggest joke were those 4 banger Camaros and Mustangs. A bicycle would out run those things!
4 banger Camaro? Did I miss something?
If I were to ever decide I wanted to buy a 3rd-gen Camaro, I'd get the 4-cyl. Just because. And I'd take it to car shows and cruise nights. Fully restored and spotlessly clean, it would be interesting to hear people's comments and/or see how quickly they recognize what it is.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Yes. BTW, PT cruiser (dodge neon in disguise) is the worst car Ive driven in the past decade. Terrible.
and yet it still does everything better than a Citation.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
4 banger Camaro? Did I miss something?
No. It was the one car that my 2.3l Mustang L base was guaranteed to beat. But it did have a big fuel gauge that read in gallons and liters. It's needle moved faster than the speedometer.
Yes. BTW, PT cruiser (dodge neon in disguise) is the worst car Ive driven in the past decade. Terrible.
and yet it still does everything better than a Citation.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
4 banger Camaro? Did I miss something?
No. It was the one car that my 2.3l Mustang L base was guaranteed to beat. But it did have a big fuel gauge that read in gallons and liters. It's needle moved faster than the speedometer.
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
What did the Mustang II do? It sold.
Ah, point taken if the full reasoning is that it kept Ford afloat. But you still have to ask "where did they all go?" I see older Mustangs as well as contemporary Satellites, Chargers, Barracudas, Challengers, Novas, Camaros, Buick GSes, GTOs, 442's, Monte Carlos, and Firebirds at car shows but almost NEVER a Mustang II.
But do you see '70s 200SXes, Plymouth Arrows, Pontiac Astres...etc...? or even the decent driving small sporty coupe at the Mercury dealership at the time, the Capri.
You are honestly as likely to see one of those gaudy sticker job Cobra IIs or a German V6 powered Mach1 Mustang II as you are to see a Pontiac Can Am.
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
What did the Mustang II do? It sold.
Ah, point taken if the full reasoning is that it kept Ford afloat. But you still have to ask "where did they all go?" I see older Mustangs as well as contemporary Satellites, Chargers, Barracudas, Challengers, Novas, Camaros, Buick GSes, GTOs, 442's, Monte Carlos, and Firebirds at car shows but almost NEVER a Mustang II.
But do you see '70s 200SXes, Plymouth Arrows, Pontiac Astres...etc...? or even the decent driving small sporty coupe at the Mercury dealership at the time, the Capri.
You are honestly as likely to see one of those gaudy sticker job Cobra IIs or a German V6 powered Mach1 Mustang II as you are to see a Pontiac Can Am.
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I owned the 78 silverado, and the 82 cavalier.....and yeah i can say they both sucked!!
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
I think they left a car out:
Sure, it had fuel injection (that was often retrofitted with a carburetor) and vacuum fluorescent display instruments, but it also had the 1980 Seville's backside with a box grafted on to it.
I won't say I *like* 80s Imperials... but they too did everything better than the Seville (except sell). And the bustle-butt looked better on them than on the Seville.
I think they left a car out:
Sure, it had fuel injection (that was often retrofitted with a carburetor) and vacuum fluorescent display instruments, but it also had the 1980 Seville's backside with a box grafted on to it.
I won't say I *like* 80s Imperials... but they too did everything better than the Seville (except sell). And the bustle-butt looked better on them than on the Seville.
Guess you never drove a PT GT, 227WHP and 255 WTQ on dynojet, 30 mpg highway.
BTW 1.5 million of em sold over 10 yrs.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: addyguy
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It bugs me that the GM X-bodies end up on these lists at all - they were actually quite reliable vehicles...
GM x bodies are good cars. The citation x11 I owned would be quite competeive today and was actually raced sucessfully due to the exceptional chassis and balance. The last of the decent GM platforms before the long downfall....
Are you serious?
Yes. BTW, PT cruiser (dodge neon in disguise) is the worst car Ive driven in the past decade. Terrible.
BTW 1.5 million of em sold over 10 yrs.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: addyguy
....
It bugs me that the GM X-bodies end up on these lists at all - they were actually quite reliable vehicles...
GM x bodies are good cars. The citation x11 I owned would be quite competeive today and was actually raced sucessfully due to the exceptional chassis and balance. The last of the decent GM platforms before the long downfall....
Are you serious?
Yes. BTW, PT cruiser (dodge neon in disguise) is the worst car Ive driven in the past decade. Terrible.
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Yes. BTW, PT cruiser (dodge neon in disguise) is the worst car Ive driven in the past decade. Terrible.
and yet it still does everything better than a Citation.
Darn straight it does everything better than an X-body... and everything in this case includes starting, running, keeping the moving parts inside the crankcase.
I'm not a huge fan of the PT- we own one because my wife always wanted one and now would beat anyone that touched hers with a baseball bat. I'd rather have a third Jeep or a truck. I tolerate the PT's front-drive quirks, admire the heck out of the superb ergonomics and interior reconfigurability, and find it a quiet, smooth, comfortable roadtrip car when there aren't big hills to make the 41TE get all shifty. HUGE cargo capacity, too... it can carry bigger/bulkier items than my Cherokee.
HOWEVER- the whole "Neon in disguise" thing just annoys me. In the first place, its always said as an insult but the was a very good little car- far better than the Caliber that "replaced" it (in quotes because its not a replacement at all- its a different class of vehicle). In the second place, nothing on a PT Cruiser is actually Neon-based. Go ahead, try to make Neon parts fit. The concept car was built on a Neon chassis- when it went to production it got its own chassis and its own suspension. The EDZ 2.4 engine is shared, but the Sebring got it too and no one ever says the PT is a "Sebring in disguise." The original '66 Charger shared *all* its underpinnings and several panels of sheet-metal with the Coronet, and no-one calls it a "Coronet in disguise." Yeah, vehicles share dimensions and sometimes components, that's not some sort of "cheat."
Dislike it and insult it all you want, but insult accurately.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Yes. BTW, PT cruiser (dodge neon in disguise) is the worst car Ive driven in the past decade. Terrible.
and yet it still does everything better than a Citation.
Darn straight it does everything better than an X-body... and everything in this case includes starting, running, keeping the moving parts inside the crankcase.
I'm not a huge fan of the PT- we own one because my wife always wanted one and now would beat anyone that touched hers with a baseball bat. I'd rather have a third Jeep or a truck. I tolerate the PT's front-drive quirks, admire the heck out of the superb ergonomics and interior reconfigurability, and find it a quiet, smooth, comfortable roadtrip car when there aren't big hills to make the 41TE get all shifty. HUGE cargo capacity, too... it can carry bigger/bulkier items than my Cherokee.
HOWEVER- the whole "Neon in disguise" thing just annoys me. In the first place, its always said as an insult but the was a very good little car- far better than the Caliber that "replaced" it (in quotes because its not a replacement at all- its a different class of vehicle). In the second place, nothing on a PT Cruiser is actually Neon-based. Go ahead, try to make Neon parts fit. The concept car was built on a Neon chassis- when it went to production it got its own chassis and its own suspension. The EDZ 2.4 engine is shared, but the Sebring got it too and no one ever says the PT is a "Sebring in disguise." The original '66 Charger shared *all* its underpinnings and several panels of sheet-metal with the Coronet, and no-one calls it a "Coronet in disguise." Yeah, vehicles share dimensions and sometimes components, that's not some sort of "cheat."
Dislike it and insult it all you want, but insult accurately.
I've got to agree 100% with the Subaru XT and the Pinto being on the list. Both were junk. The Subaru XT made me NEVER want to buy that brand ever again (and I have not). The Pinto? Underpowered, trouble prone, wimpy looking piece of garbage. I do however disagree with the '74 Gran Torino Elite (not to be confused with the earlier Torinos). While not being a car of any particular advancement upon earlier Torinos, it was VERY comfortable and had a decent fit and finish to it. Made a nice road trip car and was more a luxury vehicle than anything else.
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