Now all we need is someone to start a thread about Chevron Supreme.
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Originally Posted By: car51
Thanks for the links Jake777
and your info you received
Thanks for being receptive. I honestly felt by now I would have the response of who cares or your will never know or just pick something but doesn't it feel good to read the graph that states an exact figure of performance and know its a measurable data point that you can consider vs the typical outperforms or excellent performance comments. Even if you don't like that they perform only 10% better in one area at least you know it... What if the other guy only performed 3% better. Would it matter in your car? likely not but it could at least matter in the fact that it tells you something real.
Thanks for the links Jake777
Thanks for being receptive. I honestly felt by now I would have the response of who cares or your will never know or just pick something but doesn't it feel good to read the graph that states an exact figure of performance and know its a measurable data point that you can consider vs the typical outperforms or excellent performance comments. Even if you don't like that they perform only 10% better in one area at least you know it... What if the other guy only performed 3% better. Would it matter in your car? likely not but it could at least matter in the fact that it tells you something real.
Jake777: where I am in Central PA, Haviline conventional is "rollback" at $12.46
. Don't know if Wal Mart near you carries it. This Wal mart has the high mileage too at $15.97
Originally Posted By: Jake777
local walmart has 5qt jugs for $13.25 not bad for a good oil
I bought 2 cases of 5-qt jugs 10W40(6 jugs total) from Amazon couple months ago for $21-23 a case.
local walmart has 5qt jugs for $13.25 not bad for a good oil
I bought 2 cases of 5-qt jugs 10W40(6 jugs total) from Amazon couple months ago for $21-23 a case.
I don't think my local WalMart sells any Havoline, or I would probably buy it next time I need some oil. Especially with those prices.
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Always liked the low key marketing approach Chevron has used with its oils, Havoline, Delo and Chevron Supreme.
Of course that's just barely passing SN for their conventional GroupII oil. Their synthetics are likely much better.
Good on them
Originally Posted By: bbhero
I'd buy Chevron Supreme if it was available.
Of all places, trucking outfits here sell it quite regularly. I guess if someone is using Delo in the truck, Chevron Supreme is good to have nearby, too.
I'd buy Chevron Supreme if it was available.
Of all places, trucking outfits here sell it quite regularly. I guess if someone is using Delo in the truck, Chevron Supreme is good to have nearby, too.
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Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Of course that's just barely passing SN for their conventional GroupII oil. Their synthetics are likely much better.
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Of course that's just barely passing SN for their conventional GroupII oil. Their synthetics are likely much better.
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Of course that's just barely passing SN for their conventional GroupII oil. Their synthetics are likely much better.
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I was just saying, if you are disappointed in their conventional oil just barely passing SN tests, as Havoline has revealed, then at least Havoline Synthetics should be better. I've observed over and over again how full synthetics pass SN with flying colors, not just marginally by 10% or so.
Its a little like having a proud-parent bumper sticker on a mini-van that says "My Son is 67th in His Class of 100".
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Of course that's just barely passing SN for their conventional GroupII oil. Their synthetics are likely much better.
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I was just saying, if you are disappointed in their conventional oil just barely passing SN tests, as Havoline has revealed, then at least Havoline Synthetics should be better. I've observed over and over again how full synthetics pass SN with flying colors, not just marginally by 10% or so.
Its a little like having a proud-parent bumper sticker on a mini-van that says "My Son is 67th in His Class of 100".
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Ok, i understand your point of view now.
I don't understand your point. You say synthetics pass SN by a wide margin however you have no proof of that. My point originally was that at least Havoline shows you by what % they passed. Wouldn't it just be funny if Mobil 1 passed that particular test at 20%. My point was that others don't even bother to tell you. Also I'm not so sure there is that much difference in the base oils anymore. It's likely a scenario of good better best with a companies additive package. Watch a marketing video from any of the big guys and they always talk about the additive package. Ya I inow it's how it all works together but I get the feeling the chemistry of the additive package makes the biggest difference. They choose how good the want the oil to be. It just so happens they use the words synthetic and conventional but really it should be good and better.
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Originally Posted By: Jake777
I don't understand your point. You say synthetics pass SN by a wide margin however you have no proof of that.
Proof is in the fact that dexos1, which is tougher than SN, has formulators being forced to use more expensive, performance oriented Group III oil to blend in to Group II. Wear requirements, WPD, etc., are tougher for dexos1, and observe how you can't do it with Group II SN-level oils. Then look at GM 4718M and the even tougher euro specs which require a minimum of full synthetics to pass all the tougher tests.
Also, I've seen Sequence IVA wear test results published that show full synthetics at about 20 microns out of a max of 90 allowed. Google it all to your heart's content, I'm not going to. Kendall GT-1, Mobil1, Castrol Edge, Pennzoil Ultra, Amsoil etc., all at one point or another have boasted about test results in their marketing, all with better results than the Havoline conventional's marginal test scores.
I don't understand your point. You say synthetics pass SN by a wide margin however you have no proof of that.
Proof is in the fact that dexos1, which is tougher than SN, has formulators being forced to use more expensive, performance oriented Group III oil to blend in to Group II. Wear requirements, WPD, etc., are tougher for dexos1, and observe how you can't do it with Group II SN-level oils. Then look at GM 4718M and the even tougher euro specs which require a minimum of full synthetics to pass all the tougher tests.
Also, I've seen Sequence IVA wear test results published that show full synthetics at about 20 microns out of a max of 90 allowed. Google it all to your heart's content, I'm not going to. Kendall GT-1, Mobil1, Castrol Edge, Pennzoil Ultra, Amsoil etc., all at one point or another have boasted about test results in their marketing, all with better results than the Havoline conventional's marginal test scores.
Originally Posted By: bbhero
Good call Merk !! I agree 100%.
I'd buy Chevron Supreme if it was available.
PQIA just tested Havoline 5W20 and it has the Chevron Supreme add-pack. Not the old Havoline package. In their picture it shows a bottling date of May 2015 (as I recall anyway).
I like Chevron Supreme but it's not readily available without going to an independent distributor and paying a high price. Havoline conventional is available and inexpensive so I may go get me some.
Good call Merk !! I agree 100%.
I'd buy Chevron Supreme if it was available.
PQIA just tested Havoline 5W20 and it has the Chevron Supreme add-pack. Not the old Havoline package. In their picture it shows a bottling date of May 2015 (as I recall anyway).
I like Chevron Supreme but it's not readily available without going to an independent distributor and paying a high price. Havoline conventional is available and inexpensive so I may go get me some.
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Originally Posted By: Jake777
I don't understand your point. You say synthetics pass SN by a wide margin however you have no proof of that.
Proof is in the fact that dexos1, which is tougher than SN, has formulators being forced to use more expensive, performance oriented Group III oil to blend in to Group II. Wear requirements, WPD, etc., are tougher for dexos1, and observe how you can't do it with Group II SN-level oils. Then look at GM 4718M and the even tougher euro specs which require a minimum of full synthetics to pass all the tougher tests.
Also, I've seen Sequence IVA wear test results published that show full synthetics at about 20 microns out of a max of 90 allowed. Google it all to your heart's content, I'm not going to. Kendall GT-1, Mobil1, Castrol Edge, Pennzoil Ultra, Amsoil etc., all at one point or another have boasted about test results in their marketing, all with better results than the Havoline conventional's marginal test scores.
Ok I get your pint. I would just say it's not common for anyone to show you the APi test results and I found it refreshing. Lastly I will say I dislike how the oil compamies have gotten everyone using the term synthetic to identify better quality. I just fell it's simply chemical engineering and they can make good,better and best but we are all taught to think about it likes it's a natural difference between these two completely different oil types when they are likely closer to each other than they are apart. I wish customers would demand the performance data rather than just be told hey Super Platinum Ultra Titanium Synpower Plus is way better than "conventional boring" oil. Don't tell me it's synthetic tell me what it does and how it does it with numbers. I don't care if you make it out of mud.
Originally Posted By: Jake777
I don't understand your point. You say synthetics pass SN by a wide margin however you have no proof of that.
Proof is in the fact that dexos1, which is tougher than SN, has formulators being forced to use more expensive, performance oriented Group III oil to blend in to Group II. Wear requirements, WPD, etc., are tougher for dexos1, and observe how you can't do it with Group II SN-level oils. Then look at GM 4718M and the even tougher euro specs which require a minimum of full synthetics to pass all the tougher tests.
Also, I've seen Sequence IVA wear test results published that show full synthetics at about 20 microns out of a max of 90 allowed. Google it all to your heart's content, I'm not going to. Kendall GT-1, Mobil1, Castrol Edge, Pennzoil Ultra, Amsoil etc., all at one point or another have boasted about test results in their marketing, all with better results than the Havoline conventional's marginal test scores.
Ok I get your pint. I would just say it's not common for anyone to show you the APi test results and I found it refreshing. Lastly I will say I dislike how the oil compamies have gotten everyone using the term synthetic to identify better quality. I just fell it's simply chemical engineering and they can make good,better and best but we are all taught to think about it likes it's a natural difference between these two completely different oil types when they are likely closer to each other than they are apart. I wish customers would demand the performance data rather than just be told hey Super Platinum Ultra Titanium Synpower Plus is way better than "conventional boring" oil. Don't tell me it's synthetic tell me what it does and how it does it with numbers. I don't care if you make it out of mud.
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Originally Posted By: Jake777
I would just say it's not common for anyone to show you the APi test results and I found it refreshing.
Amsoil does the best job of this. Agreeing its nice to see some test results!
https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g3320.pdf
... and it doesn't just pass by only 10%. Full synthetics we expect that of course.
I would just say it's not common for anyone to show you the APi test results and I found it refreshing.
Amsoil does the best job of this. Agreeing its nice to see some test results!
https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g3320.pdf
... and it doesn't just pass by only 10%. Full synthetics we expect that of course.
Yay Havoline...
I use it an no complaints here. One of the best "sleeper" oil and it goes to show a lot of folks that even "regular" conventional is a darn good product. It kinda hurts that "extra insurance" argument.
I would like to know the Havoline Syn testing results (it holds a lot of the various man. specs).
As for Amsoil, decent product but I doubt I could get it for under $4/qt as a regular promotion point. Heck Havoline can often be grabbed for as low as $2.change.
I use it an no complaints here. One of the best "sleeper" oil and it goes to show a lot of folks that even "regular" conventional is a darn good product. It kinda hurts that "extra insurance" argument.
I would like to know the Havoline Syn testing results (it holds a lot of the various man. specs).
As for Amsoil, decent product but I doubt I could get it for under $4/qt as a regular promotion point. Heck Havoline can often be grabbed for as low as $2.change.
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