Tested Positive for Flu

[Wolf359]

Originally Posted by john_pifer
Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by john_pifer
Originally Posted by Sayjac
Early 90's decided to get a flu shot, got perhaps worst flu ever I ever had but also I was much younger. Avoided them after that, not because I thought it caused flu, just because didn't work. Then four years ago, got it very bad. Said it was Type B, said flu shot wouldn't have helped (who knows?) and I was too late for Tamiflu. Put me on a strong antibiotic, but still had to run it's course. In that case I'd describe it simply as, 'scary' sick. After that, made a promise to myself to get the shot. Have done it, and knock wood haven't gotten flu since.

As for shot itself, it's true that only it will only contain the 3-4 most likely strains for the season. So always a chance strain may/will be different.


Not picking on you here, but influenza is a virus. Antibiotics are for bacterial infections, and have no effect against viruses.

I'm curious why you were prescribed an antibiotic.


Isn't it quite clear? Back then patients demand solutions when none exists so doctors routinely wrote antibiotic scripts. Now at least there's tamiflu among others.


No.

That makes as much sense as prescribing hemorrhoid cream.

If a doctor prescribes an antibiotic just because the patient is ignorant and demands "SOMETHING", then that doctor has no backbone. Furthermore, taking any drug carries certain risk. A doctor would be a fool to give a patient meds that he or she didn't need.


True. But the patient pays the bills and they were the customers. It happened and was very common back then. Sometimes blamed for the rise in resistances to antibiotics, they were over prescribed.

 

[john_pifer]

Originally Posted by MuzzleFlash40
I'm getting over Type A myself.

I got the flu shot in October. I started feeling bad Friday, by Sunday I had a fever of 103.4. Went to the local urgent care that day to find I had Type A and a double ear infection. Got Tamiflu and a Zpack for the ear infection and a cough suppressant. My fever broke yesterday. I still feel like crap.


Aw man. Sorry to hear that. I'm finding out what you went through!

 

[john_pifer]

Originally Posted by Uphill_Both_Ways
Originally Posted by Shannow
Hygeine and diet ALWAYS did the heavy lifting in the eradication of disease.
Well, except for influenza, smallpox, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, rubella. . . .


Preach!

 

[john_pifer]

Originally Posted by The_Eric
Originally Posted by spasm3
I have never tried tamiflu. But anytime i am sick i try not to use anything( like ibuprofen naprosyn or aspirin) to lower my temperature, unless it gets much over 102 or i just can't stand it.



What is your thinking here? Trying to avoid their side effects?


Probably an effort to allow the body to fight off the infection naturally (fever is the body's response to the infectious pathogen - attempting to raise temperature to a level that the causative pathogen can't tolerate).

 

[john_pifer]

Originally Posted by joekingcorvette
I always get the flu shot and had influenza A about 20 years ago and was very sick for a week or more. Frequent hand washing and sanitizers seems to keep me from getting sick. Plenty of sleep every night helps too.


Very true. But in my case, it was unavoidable because I got it from my 7-year-old nephew. I had driven down to Memphis, where they live, and I stayed in their house and slept in his bedroom and was in close contact with him (roughhousing, etc).

I'm 2 for 2 on visits to their house and getting sick. As I described in my thread about the marathon I just raced, HERE, I talked about the nasty bacterial upper respiratory/sinus bug I caught (I suspect I caught it when we went to Urban Air, an indoor trampoline-jumping/bowling/play facility; those places are veritable incubators for contagion!).

I typically don't get sick unless I catch something from my nephews because I'm good about washing my hands, and I'm in good health.

This is twice in less than 3 weeks.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted by john_pifer
Originally Posted by Sayjac
Early 90's decided to get a flu shot, got perhaps worst flu ever I ever had but also I was much younger. Avoided them after that, not because I thought it caused flu, just because didn't work. Then four years ago, got it very bad. Said it was Type B, said flu shot wouldn't have helped (who knows?) and I was too late for Tamiflu. Put me on a strong antibiotic, but still had to run it's course. In that case I'd describe it simply as, 'scary' sick. After that, made a promise to myself to get the shot. Have done it, and knock wood haven't gotten flu since.

As for shot itself, it's true that only it will only contain the 3-4 most likely strains for the season. So always a chance strain may/will be different.
Not picking on you here, but influenza is a virus. Antibiotics are for bacterial infections, and have no effect against viruses.

I'm curious why you were prescribed an antibiotic.
Well aware of what Flu is, but thanks for not picking on me. Prescribed an antibiotic because of severe sore throat with thick yellow/green phlem, ENT infection. So at that point it was treating the results of the flu. Oft times viruses give rise to infection which can be treated with antibiotics.

And clearly the comment about the doctor giving the antibiotic as placebo didn't thoroughly read my post, and being too late for Tamiflu. It was only four years ago.

 

[john_pifer]

Originally Posted by Sayjac
Originally Posted by john_pifer
Originally Posted by Sayjac
Early 90's decided to get a flu shot, got perhaps worst flu ever I ever had but also I was much younger. Avoided them after that, not because I thought it caused flu, just because didn't work. Then four years ago, got it very bad. Said it was Type B, said flu shot wouldn't have helped (who knows?) and I was too late for Tamiflu. Put me on a strong antibiotic, but still had to run it's course. In that case I'd describe it simply as, 'scary' sick. After that, made a promise to myself to get the shot. Have done it, and knock wood haven't gotten flu since.

As for shot itself, it's true that only it will only contain the 3-4 most likely strains for the season. So always a chance strain may/will be different.
Not picking on you here, but influenza is a virus. Antibiotics are for bacterial infections, and have no effect against viruses.

I'm curious why you were prescribed an antibiotic.
Well aware of what Flu is, but thanks for not picking on me. Prescribed an antibiotic because of severe sore throat with thick yellow/green phlem, ENT infection. So at that point it was treating the results of the flu. Oft times viruses give rise to infection which can be treated with antibiotics.

And clearly the comment about the doctor giving the antibiotic as placebo didn't thoroughly read my post, and being too late for Tamiflu. It was only four years ago.


OK, that's understandable.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by Uphill_Both_Ways
Originally Posted by Shannow
Hygeine and diet ALWAYS did the heavy lifting in the eradication of disease.
Well, except for influenza, smallpox, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, rubella. . . .


I'm not a believer in retrocausality (that's the belief that actions in the present affect the past) … are you ?

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by Mr Nice
I've seen doctors go from room to room in a hospital checking up on their patients and NO hand washing was done.

Trust me, this is very common in a hospital setting.... even with ICU patients.

Nurses don't want to say anything cause they are too afraid doctors will get offended.


My father received an internal staf infection while donating blood...he was treated by the foremost infection expert in Oz at the time, as it was inside the elbow joint and extremely serious.

Said professor stated that everything that they learned about not delivering babies after completing an autopsy without washing had gone out the window since Doctors had the back-ups of antibiotics and very effective drugs, it wasn't a case of not washing would lead to a likely death, so as a profession they (many of them) got slack.

He said that nurses, in particular could identify at risk patients...depressed immune system, with certain doctor's names over the bed they'd be especially careful to monitor...not right, but they did.

When we had our children, in a private hospital, the staff got grumpy as every time they came in to handle my children or wife, we'd send them back out to wash their hands.

 

[Uphill_Both_Ways]

Originally Posted by Shannow
I'm not a believer in retrocausality (that's the belief that actions in the present affect the past) … are you ?
Possibly. 🙂

Even if those graphs are accurate, you could have washed your hands until the cows come home and ended up in an iron lung, paralyzed by polio or more likely dead.

Would you, not vaccinated, do deep-breathing exercises in a hospital ward full of pertussis patients because you washed your hands and the hospital has a sewage system?

Smallpox wasn't eradicated because soap suddenly was cheap.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by Uphill_Both_Ways
Originally Posted by Shannow
Hygeine and diet ALWAYS did the heavy lifting in the eradication of disease.
Well, except for influenza, smallpox, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, rubella. . . .


I'm not a believer in retrocausality (that's the belief that actions in the present affect the past) … are you ?




Learntherisk.org is an aniti-vaccine website. Pure bull. Shame.

 

[Uphill_Both_Ways]

^^^ Sorry. I screwed up that link. It was supposed to go here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler%27s_delayed-choice_experiment

Scroll down to the heading Cosmic Interferometer.
Quote
. . . Wheeler then plays the devil's advocate and suggests that perhaps for those experimental results to be obtained would mean that at the instant astronomers inserted their beam-splitter, photons that had left the quasar some millions of years ago retroactively decided to travel as waves, and that when the astronomers decided to pull their beam splitter out again that decision was telegraphed back through time to photons that were leaving some millions of years plus some minutes in the past, so that photons retroactively decided to travel as particles. . . .


Further down though, "Retrocausality is a mirage."

The graphs could also show that the diseases had peaked in any event. I could draw a graph purporting to show that fire cures plague, and the great fire of London in 1666 proves it.

Edit: That link won't click and won't be fixed. It has to be copied.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by Snagglefoot

Learntherisk.org is an aniti-vaccine website. Pure bull. Shame.


The trends are pure bull ?

How do you ascertain that, from the people who are showing the trends ?

They are the same curves that the CDC and the "pro vaxxers" use, but they only show mid 50s and onwards because the change in scales presents THEIR argument better.

How do you explain the change in trends for previously deadly diseases which there ARE NO vaccinations for...when the trends are virtually identical ?

Here's how the tends are used by both sides, presented in a fairly balanced view...read it, please, because you need to understand the argument, rather than closing your mind and calling bull just because of the agenda of the USERS of the data...the data is the same, presented differently.

https://thelogicofscience.com/2015/07/05/yes-vaccines-did-save-us-from-disease-a-graphic-analysis/

(BTW, not you, but the fire and plague correlation is just dumb...both sides are presenting the same data, and stating their case for the deadliness of the diseases and interventions - and those without vaccines).


Also, paralytic polio is still extant in the USA...but note how they've changed the language to "zero wild polio" incidences...why isn't THAT counted as cooking the books.

 

[Snagglefoot]

If this forum is going to turn into an anti-vaccine platform count me out. Adios.