Tesla Stock

[alarmguy]

This thread is about Tesla stock.

Then why did you bring Toyota into it and seek to separate their ICE sales from EV sales with an Toyota ICE model?
I simply replied they are all cars with 4 wheels if your in the business world then the bottom line is sales and profit on the products they produce, so why bring up a Toyota Corolla and compared it to Tesla? Toyota buries Tesla in every aspect of the automotive business.

Your post = "Here's the Statista numbers showing 200K more. My point is, the Corolla is a high volume, low margin product and got beat by a high volume, high margin car. That's a critical business metric. Pretty impressive, right?"
So what's the post above about? Toyota smashes Tesla in car sales, why pick out one of their vehicles? Tesla is in a bind, the CEO says so in the link I provided. HyBrids are hurting them, 1st quarter sales are in the negative.

Just like you say, this thread is about Tesla stock but you brought the sales of the Toyota Corolla into it, not sure why, Tesla or any car company can only dream to be a "Toyota" like company one day.

Tesla has a problem, they should have been devising a less expensive vehicle, but wasted time and money on a truck few can afford. If they had a visionary at the helm, they might have tried to protect themselves by designing a reasonable larger Hybrid SUV type car. But their shortsightedness/arrogance and lack of vision has them in a pickle right now. I cant help wonder if a hybrid will be in their future.
This company was supposed to continue an upward path of double digit growth near 50% and NOW they are at negative growth in all aspects.

Recent deal that Musk made with the Communist Party in China may help the stock price for Elon's followers (or it was just an excuse for a short squeeze) Once again offering promise for Tesla in a communist country that maybe short lived once China steals the technology and their own industry competes, as they did with EVs when Musk said they would never beat Tesla along comes BYD to do it. The communist country was the only reason for Teslas first true profit year only 2 years back and once the competition came along is the reason for their first back to back losses in the last two quarters.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-challenges-amid-hybrid-craze-ford-gm-gas-profits-2024-4?op=1

 

[DwightFrye]

I haven't really looked into hybrid vehicles, but don't the majority of them only have less than 40 miles range when in the electric mode ? That seems next to worthless except in an emergency situation.

And are all hybrids "plug in hybrids" meaning they can be plugged into a charger at home or one of the Tesla chargers with suitable adapters, and then get reasonable range on the batteries ? Or are some so called hybrids ones that charge their small capacity battery packs through regenerative braking or something else ?

I have a friend that just bought a Toyota RAV4 Hybrid and I asked her how she charges it. She had no idea nor didn't know if it was even possible. I suspect that goes for a lot of hybrid buyers, they like the idea of a hybrid car but don't really know anything about the technology.

If Tesla does decide to produce a hybrid vehicle, it will be interesting to see what kind of ICE powerplant they use and if there is anything about it that is innovative and different from the other automakers.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Then why did you bring Toyota into it and seek to separate their ICE sales from EV sales with an Toyota ICE model?
I simply replied they are all cars with 4 wheels if your in the business world then the bottom line is sales and profit on the products they produce, so why bring up a Toyota Corolla and compared it to Tesla? Toyota buries Tesla in every aspect of the automotive business.

Your post = "Here's the Statista numbers showing 200K more. My point is, the Corolla is a high volume, low margin product and got beat by a high volume, high margin car. That's a critical business metric. Pretty impressive, right?"
So what's the post above about? Toyota smashes Tesla in car sales, why pick out one of their vehicles? Tesla is in a bind, the CEO says so in the link I provided. HyBrids are hurting them, 1st quarter sales are in the negative.

Just like you say, this thread is about Tesla stock but you brought the sales of the Toyota Corolla into it, not sure why, Tesla or any car company can only dream to be a "Toyota" like company one day.

Tesla has a problem, they should have been devising a less expensive vehicle, but wasted time and money on a truck few can afford. If they had a visionary at the helm, they might have tried to protect themselves by designing a reasonable larger Hybrid SUV type car. But their shortsightedness/arrogance and lack of vision has them in a pickle right now. I cant help wonder if a hybrid will be in their future.
This company was supposed to continue an upward path of double digit growth near 50% and NOW they are at negative growth in all aspects.

Recent deal that Musk made with the Communist Party in China may help the stock price for Elon's followers (or it was just an excuse for a short squeeze) Once again offering promise for Tesla in a communist country that maybe short lived once China steals the technology and their own industry competes, as they did with EVs when Musk said they would never beat Tesla along comes BYD to do it. The communist country was the only reason for Teslas first true profit year only 2 years back and once the competition came along is the reason for their first back to back losses in the last two quarters.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-challenges-amid-hybrid-craze-ford-gm-gas-profits-2024-4?op=1

I was replying to another post that deviated from stock performance and had incorrect numbers doing so. It was also about margins, which are a critical business metric affecting stock price.

 

[demarpaint]

I haven't really looked into hybrid vehicles, but don't the majority of them only have less than 40 miles range when in the electric mode ? That seems next to worthless except in an emergency situation.

And are all hybrids "plug in hybrids" meaning they can be plugged into a charger at home or one of the Tesla chargers with suitable adapters, and then get reasonable range on the batteries ? Or are some so called hybrids ones that charge their small capacity battery packs through regenerative braking or something else ?

I have a friend that just bought a Toyota RAV4 Hybrid and I asked her how she charges it. She had no idea nor didn't know if it was even possible. I suspect that goes for a lot of hybrid buyers, they like the idea of a hybrid car but don't really know anything about the technology.

If Tesla does decide to produce a hybrid vehicle, it will be interesting to see what kind of ICE powerplant they use and if there is anything about it that is innovative and different from the other automakers.

The same can be said for EV owners. A lot of people buy first and find out later on. Bottom line is people should do their homework first instead of diving in head first. Homework should also include maintenance costs as well as insurance costs before buying any vehicle.

 

[JeffKeryk]

The same can be said for EV owners. A lot of people buy first and find out later on. Bottom line is people should do their homework first instead of diving in head first. Homework should also include maintenance costs as well as insurance costs before buying any vehicle.

The 1st thing I ask potential EV customers is, "How ya gonna charge?" You might be surprised on some of the lost expressions on their faces. These cars are not for everyone.

 

[demarpaint]

The 1st thing I ask potential EV customers is, "How ya gonna charge?" You might be surprised on some of the lost expressions on their faces. These cars are not for everyone.

Yep, the majority of the public imo is clueless when it comes to EV's. I've conversed with quite a few people about them. There are some people who think you can plug these things into a wall outlet with an extension cord once a week and have them full charged in an hour. I kid you not.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Yep, the majority of the public imo is clueless when it comes to EV's. I've conversed with quite a few people about them. There are some people who think you can plug these things into a wall outlet with an extension cord once a week and have them full charged in an hour. I kid you not.

The #1 reason EV owners go back to ICE is charging issues. I find it hard to believe people purchase expensive products like cars without knowing what they are getting into. The problem with money is, it only spends once; spend it wisely or you may be kicking yourself.

 

[demarpaint]

The #1 reason EV owners go back to ICE is charging issues. I find it hard to believe people purchase expensive products like cars without knowing what they are getting into. The problem with money is, it only spends once; spend it wisely or you may be kicking yourself.

Some people have more money than brains.

 

[Trav]

I was replying to another post that deviated from stock performance and had incorrect numbers doing so. It was also about margins, which are a critical business metric affecting stock price.

No, I live in a business world. Plus, your numbers are off.

Here's the Statista numbers showing 200K more. My point is, the Corolla is a high volume, low margin product and got beat by a high volume, high margin car. That's a critical business metric. Pretty impressive, right?

Hold on there who says thee numbers you post are correct? Do you even bother to read other peoples postings? Using your link that shows Tesla Y at 1.15 million and Toyota Corolla at 1.13 million how do you get 200K difference?
Let me sort it out for you 1 million 150,000 vs 1 million 130, 000 for a difference of 20K not 200K.

This is from the link you cite.

 

[alarmguy]

Here is an interesting viewpoint. I want to stress, sometimes I like negative outlooks but not when a stock is selling at 40 times earnings.
You can then look at a stock like GM (if you're looking for safety at 6 or less times earning.
Im also not big on media reports but it doesnt hurt (sometimes)

To me, earnings matter and to ignore that is silly. Unless you are speculating and that is fine, oil, gas, minerals are examples too.

Anyway I keep hearing "fundamentals" on Tesla from some in here ... here are some fundamentals to consider.
https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/22...te-stock_overview-zacks_news-ID02-txt-2264785

Then on the flip side, GM is NOT going to get you rich, but you may not lose up to 50% of your investment. IF you like auto companies, honestly right now Toyota is killing it... but who knows, maybe after 4 or 5 decades GM will shine, but dont hold you breathe *LOL* ... (ummm, no) but I do like to safely trade the stock short term for modest gains.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-low-price-book-stocks-114500525.html

 

[cptbarkey]

I haven't really looked into hybrid vehicles, but don't the majority of them only have less than 40 miles range when in the electric mode ? That seems next to worthless except in an emergency situation.

And are all hybrids "plug in hybrids" meaning they can be plugged into a charger at home or one of the Tesla chargers with suitable adapters, and then get reasonable range on the batteries ? Or are some so called hybrids ones that charge their small capacity battery packs through regenerative braking or something else ?

I have a friend that just bought a Toyota RAV4 Hybrid and I asked her how she charges it. She had no idea nor didn't know if it was even possible. I suspect that goes for a lot of hybrid buyers, they like the idea of a hybrid car but don't really know anything about the technology.

If Tesla does decide to produce a hybrid vehicle, it will be interesting to see what kind of ICE powerplant they use and if there is anything about it that is innovative and different from the other automakers.

No, thats not how Toyota Hybrids work.

 

[alarmguy]

No, thats not how Toyota Hybrids work.

Toyota has a plug in hybrid
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-toyota-prius-prime-first-test-review/

 

[JeffKeryk]

Hold on there who says thee numbers you post are correct? Do you even bother to read other peoples postings? Using your link that shows Tesla Y at 1.15 million and Toyota Corolla at 1.13 million how do you get 200K difference?
Let me sort it out for you 1 million 150,000 vs 1 million 130, 000 for a difference of 20K not 200K.

This is from the link you cite.
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Cite your sources.

 

[Astro14]

Folks, we need to take a break.

While sales numbers and other financial metrics are germane to a discussion about stock valuation, much of the recent activity in this thread has been simple bickering.

I will open the thread again tomorrow.

 

[Astro14]

Unlocked.

 

[Cujet]

Then on the flip side, GM is NOT going to get you rich, but you may not lose up to 50% of your investment. IF you like auto companies, honestly right now Toyota is killing it... but who knows, maybe after 4 or 5 decades GM will shine,

I lost 100% of my investment in GM when they were forced into bankruptcy. One could argue that it won’t happen again. But they have not improved.

 

[demarpaint]

I lost 100% of my investment in GM when they were forced into bankruptcy. One could argue that it won’t happen again. But they have not improved.

You're right! I learned to never say never. 100% of a shareholder's money can be lost in any company. TSLA included.

 

[SC Maintenance]

You're right! I learned to never say never. 100% of a shareholder's money can be lost in any company. TSLA included.

Bear sterns and Lehman were too big to fail. Until they weren’t.

 

[demarpaint]

Bear sterns and Lehman were too big to fail. Until they weren’t.

Yep, and they took a lot of people to the cleaners with them.

 

[Astro14]

Serious question:

Is this an electric vehicle topic question? - because we’re talking about the stock of one company.

We have lots of threads on Tesla. But this thread title, and the preponderance of the discussion, are about the stock price.

Seems to be more of a general and off topic discussion