Tesla Robotaxi / Robovan Event

Hard to believe this is even legal... But here it is.
Our 1st Model 3, in Dec 2018, was delivered to our house by a driver who happened to be a janitor I believe. I guess Elon couldn't afford to pay?
From my reading nearly anywhere it wouldn’t be, but the laws themselves don’t really exist in Texas that would prohibit it, which is why unsupervised is going to be in Austin first. It’s not that it works best there(though it might with the time they’ve put into it there), but no one is stopping them.
 
When did they ever meet a deadline?
Let me rephrase that, when did they ever come reasonably close to a deadline?

I’m just asking because I don’t know.

Part of a CEO‘s job is to be relatively accurate and informed on the rollout of products as he reports to the shareholders.
According to the Google...
Successful Deadlines and Accomplishments:
  • Robotaxi Launch: Tesla successfully launched their Robotaxi platform in Austin on June 22, 2025, which may have been a significant milestone for the company in 2025.
  • Autonomous Home Delivery: Tesla achieved a successful autonomous vehicle delivery from the factory to a customer's house on June 27, 2025, one day earlier than Elon Musk's promised date of June 28th.
  • Model 3 Production Ramp-up: After facing challenges, Tesla successfully ramped up the production of the Model 3, meeting their Q2 2018 target of producing 5,000 Model 3 per week.
  • Model Y Production and Expansion: Tesla started Model Y production at the Fremont Factory in 2020, and expanded to Gigafactory Shanghai, Gigafactory Texas, and Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg. The Model Y became the world's best-selling vehicle in 2023, demonstrating Tesla's ability to scale production effectively.
  • Production Targets: Tesla regularly reports its production and delivery numbers, including:
    • Q1 2025: Produced 362,615 vehicles and delivered 336,681.
    • Q1 2024: Produced 433,371 vehicles and delivered 386,810.
Tesla has a mixed track record regarding deadlines, but it has undeniably achieved remarkable feats in ramping up production and delivering on certain key projects, particularly those related to autonomous driving and vehicle production milestones.

Regardless, you are right about the CEO's fiduciary duty to the shareholders, which one could argue Elon has badly botched more than once...

AG, my point is, we are not talking about some small task; this is a autonomous driving car. From a high level, the WAYMO uses area maps while Tesla does not. Of course, this is an oversimplification; there is far more to the solution. What these cars are doing and will do is the stuff of dreams. Heck, your car could drop you off at work then be a Uber and make you $$.

I find autonomous driving scary, impressive, crazy and, well I dunno. And I have been playing with EAP and monitored FSD for years.

I have a modest TSLA investment that is currently 3x to the good. Shoulda bought earlier, like instead of the Model 3 Mid Range; that would be some serious coin! 14,000% gain! Of course you know Tesla dwarfs all the other car companies from a market cap valuation standpoint. The market has rewarded Tesla shareholders handsomely. While TSLA is a rollercoaster, that's the numbers.
 
When did they ever meet a deadline?
Let me rephrase that, when did they ever come reasonably close to a deadline?

I’m just asking because I don’t know.

Part of a CEO‘s job is to be relatively accurate and informed on the rollout of products as he reports to the shareholders.
I was told the FSD delivery was a day ahead of schedule! That of course requires you to ignore that this was supposed to be possible 5 years ago.
 
According to the Google...
Successful Deadlines and Accomplishments:
  • Robotaxi Launch: Tesla successfully launched their Robotaxi platform in Austin on June 22, 2025, which may have been a significant milestone for the company in 2025.
  • Autonomous Home Delivery: Tesla achieved a successful autonomous vehicle delivery from the factory to a customer's house on June 27, 2025, one day earlier than Elon Musk's promised date of June 28th.
  • Model 3 Production Ramp-up: After facing challenges, Tesla successfully ramped up the production of the Model 3, meeting their Q2 2018 target of producing 5,000 Model 3 per week.
  • Model Y Production and Expansion: Tesla started Model Y production at the Fremont Factory in 2020, and expanded to Gigafactory Shanghai, Gigafactory Texas, and Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg. The Model Y became the world's best-selling vehicle in 2023, demonstrating Tesla's ability to scale production effectively.
  • Production Targets:Tesla regularly reports its production and delivery numbers, including:
    • Q1 2025: Produced 362,615 vehicles and delivered 336,681.
    • Q1 2024: Produced 433,371 vehicles and delivered 386,810.
Tesla has a mixed track record regarding deadlines, but it has undeniably achieved remarkable feats in ramping up production and delivering on certain key projects, particularly those related to autonomous driving and vehicle production milestones.

Regardless, you are right about the CEO's fiduciary duty to the shareholders, which one could argue Elon has badly botched more than once...

AG, my point is, we are not talking about some small task; this is a autonomous driving car. From a high level, the WAYMO uses area maps while Tesla does not. Of course, this is an oversimplification; there is far more to the solution. What these cars are doing and will do is the stuff of dreams. Heck, your car could drop you off at work then be a Uber and make you $$.

I find autonomous driving scary, impressive, crazy and, well I dunno. And I have been playing with EAP and monitored FSD for years.

I have a modest TSLA investment that is currently 3x to the good. Shoulda bought earlier, like instead of the Model 3 Mid Range; that would be some serious coin! 14,000% gain! Of course you know Tesla dwarfs all the other car companies from a market cap valuation standpoint. The market has rewarded Tesla shareholders handsomely. While TSLA is a rollercoaster, that's the numbers.
I’ll give you that they’ve met some manufacturing targets, but the FSD software targets have always been smoke and mirrors. You have to ignore the many years of missed goals to give them the new accomplishments and I don’t feel these new accomplishments are real wins. It’s just looking past the flaws and saying “we did it!”
 
I’ll give you that they’ve met some manufacturing targets, but the FSD software targets have always been smoke and mirrors. You have to ignore the many years of missed goals to give them the new accomplishments and I don’t feel these new accomplishments are real wins. It’s just looking past the flaws and saying “we did it!”
Of course. Musk is a loudmouth. He has also changed the world; every car company is chasing Tesla. Flame suit on...
 
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Re: Autonomous factory deliveries. Unless you lived within 20 miles or so of the factory, the cars will all have to be put on a truck or train anyway.

Could you imagine a $60,000 “new” car showing up at your driveway with 900 miles on it and terribly dirty? Covered in bugs, mud, salt, ice, etc. No thanks.

We’re seeing that demo video now because Q2 delivery numbers are gonna be terrible…
 
Unless you lived within a 20 miles or so of the factory, the cars will all have to be put on a truck or train anyway.

Could you imagine a $60,000 “new” car showing up at your driveway with 900 miles on it and terribly dirty? No thanks.
Maybe this was more of an advertising stunt than customer delivery? Dunno... What if it comes to the customer with a dented fender?

Tesla has been having cars drive themselves from the factory building to designated parking areas, including loading docks for delivery, for awhile now.
 
Re: Autonomous factory deliveries. Unless you lived within 20 miles or so of the factory, the cars will all have to be put on a truck or train anyway.
Yeah, but the truck could unload every car at the destination city then head back right away. The cars can distribute themselves.
 
Re: Autonomous factory deliveries. Unless you lived within 20 miles or so of the factory, the cars will all have to be put on a truck or train anyway.
You realize Tesla is building exactly the same FSD/Autonomous hardware into the Tesla Semi?

So, an autonomous truck arrives with your new car which then proceeds to unload itself.
 
You can monitor exactly how many Tesla safety incidents have been reported at this city website:
https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=ey...xOWY2LWE2YWItNGI0NS1iMWQwLWJlNDYwOGE5YTY3ZiJ9

So far it's just one: braking hard for an emergency vehicle in the other lane.

I'm very interested as an investor right now, trying to decide between Tesla and Waymo. Leaning Tesla, at the moment.
The NHTSA is already investigating multiple safety violations as one robotaxi pulled into a lrft only turn lane only to have it travel into oncoming traffic for 6 seconds before the driver assistant had to steer it into the correct lane. Give them what a month, six months before a fatality occurs?
 
I’m not saying it doesn’t have results, it’s just not the results he promises.
Yeah look up the video when in 2017 Musk flat out said "Yeah by September or definitely December we will have full autonomous driving ". Then the crowd went wild and clapped. I sat there and said he's making it up.
 
According to the Google...
Successful Deadlines and Accomplishments:
  • Robotaxi Launch: Tesla successfully launched their Robotaxi platform in Austin on June 22, 2025, which may have been a significant milestone for the company in 2025.
  • Autonomous Home Delivery: Tesla achieved a successful autonomous vehicle delivery from the factory to a customer's house on June 27, 2025, one day earlier than Elon Musk's promised date of June 28th.
  • Model 3 Production Ramp-up: After facing challenges, Tesla successfully ramped up the production of the Model 3, meeting their Q2 2018 target of producing 5,000 Model 3 per week.
  • Model Y Production and Expansion: Tesla started Model Y production at the Fremont Factory in 2020, and expanded to Gigafactory Shanghai, Gigafactory Texas, and Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg. The Model Y became the world's best-selling vehicle in 2023, demonstrating Tesla's ability to scale production effectively.
  • Production Targets:Tesla regularly reports its production and delivery numbers, including:
    • Q1 2025: Produced 362,615 vehicles and delivered 336,681.
    • Q1 2024: Produced 433,371 vehicles and delivered 386,810.
Tesla has a mixed track record regarding deadlines, but it has undeniably achieved remarkable feats in ramping up production and delivering on certain key projects, particularly those related to autonomous driving and vehicle production milestones.

Regardless, you are right about the CEO's fiduciary duty to the shareholders, which one could argue Elon has badly botched more than once...

AG, my point is, we are not talking about some small task; this is a autonomous driving car. From a high level, the WAYMO uses area maps while Tesla does not. Of course, this is an oversimplification; there is far more to the solution. What these cars are doing and will do is the stuff of dreams. Heck, your car could drop you off at work then be a Uber and make you $$.

I find autonomous driving scary, impressive, crazy and, well I dunno. And I have been playing with EAP and monitored FSD for years.

I have a modest TSLA investment that is currently 3x to the good. Shoulda bought earlier, like instead of the Model 3 Mid Range; that would be some serious coin! 14,000% gain! Of course you know Tesla dwarfs all the other car companies from a market cap valuation standpoint. The market has rewarded Tesla shareholders handsomely. While TSLA is a rollercoaster, that's the numbers.
Autonomous driving is scary and shouldn't be legal anywhere. Tesla misses the big picture. In the 50's and 60's a science fiction writer talked about this but mentioned having a communication network where the car talks to the road
BMW or Mercedes Benz did this albeit on a closed track ten plus years ago. If autonomous driving actually somehow becomes safer than humans that's when insurance companies will take away your keys.
 
Yeah look up the video when in 2017 Musk flat out said "Yeah by September or definitely December we will have full autonomous driving ". Then the crowd went wild and clapped. I sat there and said he's making it up.
Oh I’m very aware of that. I said the same thing. I never bought with the intention of even using FSD, but his lies and antics is why it took so long for me to buy a Tesla initially. If they spent half the energy on designing the cars that they have pushing FSD, it would be the best car on the road. How it has turned out now I think the car is great, but the little issues wouldn’t be a thing then.
 
You realize Tesla is building exactly the same FSD/Autonomous hardware into the Tesla Semi?

So, an autonomous truck arrives with your new car which then proceeds to unload itself.
We can’t even get trains reliably autonomous and they follow tracks. I’m required to use the “FSD” on a locomotive as much as possible snd it still makes stupid mistakes. It’s not much different than babysitting FSD.
 


We’re seeing that demo video now because Q2 delivery numbers are gonna be terrible…
That’s an understatement and it already has been a terrible previous year that it’s being compared to.
It’s about to get worse if the taxpayer gift of up to $11,000 per car goes away possibly even sooner than expected.
 
That’s an understatement and it already has been a terrible previous year that it’s being compared to.
It’s about to get worse if the taxpayer gift of up to $11,000 per car goes away possibly even sooner than expected.
Where did you get that $11k figure from?
 
Autonomous driving is scary and shouldn't be legal anywhere. Tesla misses the big picture. In the 50's and 60's a science fiction writer talked about this but mentioned having a communication network where the car talks to the road
BMW or Mercedes Benz did this albeit on a closed track ten plus years ago. If autonomous driving actually somehow becomes safer than humans that's when insurance companies will take away your keys.
Driver error is the leading cause of car accidents, contributing to a significant majority of crashes, with estimates ranging from 90% to 94%. This means that the actions or inactions of drivers, rather than mechanical failures or environmental factors, are the primary reason for most collisions.
 
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