Tesla just laid off entire new vehicle team and supercharging team

[JeffKeryk]

Precisely

Haters gonna hate…

I don't understand the anti-EV, Tesla, Musk, whatever stuff. I just think reluctance to change is human nature.
I am glad an American company is leading the world in something, and I am a student of business cycles, ventures, innovation, etc.

I've been taught to embrace change, as it is coming whether I like it or not. Years ago I was sniveling about changes in our high tech company (Semiconductor Manufacturing Equipment). My friend, a Vietnamese immigrant who worked his tail off, said to me, "Stop crying. Crying is for babies." Outstanding advice.

 

[Sedin26]

I'll go check him out again. Since youtube required a sign in to keep any history, Ive started pulling away from it.
Kyles an interesting guy that does entirely too much talking.
His videos are great up until you want to see a documented outcome but he doesn't put any CG on screen like say Bjorn Nyland does every vid. Although his 20 minute challenge has a google sheet you can download.

I'm not sure why anyone needs to get a hold of tesla as J3400 is a published standard and you can just build a charger like a gas pump with a credit card, the Fed money requires chargers to be able to operate on a CC if I recall so tesla wasnt going to be getting tons of money from them anyway (or maybe they got around it)

We'll see if this tactic stands or what happens.

I think the whole reason for going NACS, for some, was specifically to gain access to the Supercharger network. It can be done without NACS so who knows….hard to say who will do what.

As noted above, it’s a standard and other charging networks are going to start using it too.

 

[2strokeNorthstar]

Just when Mustang mach-e owners were excited to leave town.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I don't understand the anti-EV, Tesla, Musk, whatever stuff. I just think reluctance to change is human nature.
I am glad an American company is leading the world in something, and I am a student of business cycles, ventures, innovation, etc.

I've been taught to embrace change, as it is coming whether I like it or not. Years ago I was sniveling about changes in our high tech company (Semiconductor Manufacturing Equipment). My friend, a Vietnamese immigrant who worked his tail off, said to me, "Stop crying. Crying is for babies." Outstanding advice.

Did you forget the "<sarcasm>" at the end of this or were you serious?

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Maybe China will help them out on AI and self driving (partnering with Baidu using their map, keeping their China's R&D data in China, etc) when the free money is over? I don't know, they won't have many choices if they don't cut their R&D.

WSJ was reporting that Elon was given the green light in China to perfect full self-driving in that country. I would not be surprised if he moves AI over there as well due to the fact that China is more than willing to run or build coal powerplants to supply all the power Elon wants.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Did you forget the "<sarcasm>" at the end of this or were you serious?

It was outstanding advice. Change is the only constant. You grow or you go.

 

[Torrid]

Ain't it great? Seeing EVs going down the tubes like this! View attachment 217308





He'll just outsource the building of the charging network and then sell it off for a nice profit

"going down the tubes"

That's a pretty interesting(flawed) interpretation. Funny though. It must be sad to hold anger about something you don't understand and then route for it's downfall. You don't need to reply though. It'll be something about being forced into EVs to a level that you feel you're at gunpoint to get one.

 

[E365]

Good talk about this on the Batteries Included podcast today. Sounds like some automakers might even be considering slowing their switch to J3400/NACS, since there would be no benefit if they can’t access Superchargers anytime soon. It’ll still be many years until the non-Tesla network is mostly J3400.

Their contacts and engineers within Tesla are now gone and literally no one at Tesla is there to answer the phone. How does Ford/GM/Toyota/Honda/Hyundai/etc trust Tesla anymore to work with them on Supercharger access? It was hard enough the first time around, now Tesla has screwed them over.

The companies with 800v cars only lose out anyway on using Superchargers, since the 1,000 volt V4s are still fantasyland at this point.

I think this largely kills Tesla’s goal of dominating charging in the USA.

 

[Torrid]

Good talk about this on the Batteries Included podcast today. Sounds like some automakers might even be considering stopping their switch to J3400/NACS. Their contacts and engineers within Tesla are now gone and literally no one at Tesla is there to answer the phone. How does Ford/GM/Toyota/Honda/Hyundai/etc trust Tesla anymore to work with them on Supercharger access? It was hard enough the first time around, now Tesla has screwed them over.

The companies with 800v cars only lose out anyway on using Superchargers, since the 1,000 volt V4s are fantasyland at this point.

I think this largely kills Tesla’s goal of dominating charging in the USA.

I was listening to the Out of Spec podcast on this earlier and heard that detail about all of the NACS contacts being gone within Tesla. This was a very weird move especially after reaching so many milestones for NACS sign ons.

Tesla has made some weird decisions, but this one seems to be at least on face value the weirdest one yet.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

It was outstanding advice. Change is the only constant. You grow or you go.

Sure but Telsa is a creation of government in order to fulfill a public policy goal of reducing nationwide GHG emissions. Tesla symbolizes what a swath of the public neither agrees with or cares about. It of course doesn't help that Elon is a hypocrite.

 

[Torrid]

Sure but Telsa is a creation of government in order to fulfill a public policy goal of reducing nationwide GHG emissions. Tesla symbolizes what a swath of the public neither agrees with or cares about. It of course doesn't help that Elon is a hypocrite.

If this was government creation, they'd be Ladas with fork lift motors for propulsion.

 

[edyvw]

If this was government creation, they'd be Ladas with fork lift motors for propulsion.

The Internet is a government creation, NASA, etc.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Sure but Telsa is a creation of government in order to fulfill a public policy goal of reducing nationwide GHG emissions. Tesla symbolizes what a swath of the public neither agrees with or cares about. It of course doesn't help that Elon is a hypocrite.

I guess I never looked at Tesla quite this way... All good.
I love the various interpretations of Tesla, among other things, around here.

By the way, I have learned that business is a hypocrite.

 

[Torrid]

The Internet is a government creation, NASA, etc.

Not sure that's related. NASA basically doesn't exist anymore and is/was a government entity. Tesla though is a separate company. Sure they've benefited from government policy, but it isn't what the government would have made as a full subsidy of the government.

 

[edyvw]

Not sure that's related. NASA basically doesn't exist anymore and is/was a government entity. Tesla though is a separate company. Sure they've benefited from government policy, but it isn't what the government would have made as a full subsidy of the government.

Of course it is related. The Internet was developed by a government entity. NASA does not employ same number of people, but considering issues with private entities, it seems it functioned better when it was doing things on its own, as government entity.
Our government is involved a lot in our economy (although people like to think it is not) and some of the greatest human achievements were result of that. So, when things are properly done, it is not bad thing.

 

[JeffKeryk]

@edyvw are you suggesting Elon running for the highest position in the land?

 

[edyvw]

@edyvw are you suggesting Elon running for the highest position in the land?

The only position he could go for is KKK grand wizard.

 

[Torrid]

The only position he could go for is KKK grand wizard.

Wow.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

If this was government creation, they'd be Ladas with fork lift motors for propulsion.

Tesla would not survive without being able to sell carbon credits and various consumer level tax credits. They're no different than Solar. Carbon credits are a creation of the state. Don't confuse what I'm saying as whether I approve or disapprove of Tesla. I'm just giving my best interpretation of reality

 

[edyvw]

Wow.

Well, how do you think Tesla lost 60% of traditional customers? They found out daily rants about immigrants, discussions about great replacement etc. as problematic. So, once he is out, he could fit there with no problems.