Tesla just laid off entire new vehicle team and supercharging team

No wonder, they have had problems with the existing castings cracking, the used steel plates held on by riv nuts to repair cracked strut towers. These cars are not very good quality, IMHO they should learn how to build a car properly before trying to build one that drives itself.
@Trav , Microsoft very successfully sold the poorly written office software suite, crushing better written software from WordPerfect, Lotus, etc.

How MSFT did it with their product that was not nearly as good as the competition- they quietly encouraged piracy of their software. After MSFT had everyone hooked, they went after the organizations that pirated MSFT software, like small town libraries. Bill Gates may not have been good at writing software, but he sure was a genius at making a product that was significantly less efficient than its competitors into the "last man standing", huge moneymaker.
 
@Trav , Microsoft very successfully sold the poorly written office software suite, crushing better written software from WordPerfect, Lotus, etc.

How MSFT did it with their product that was not nearly as good as the competition- they quietly encouraged piracy of their software. After MSFT had everyone hooked, they went after the organizations that pirated MSFT software, like small town libraries. Bill Gates may not have been good at writing software, but he sure was a genius at making a product that was significantly less efficient than its competitors into the "last man standing", huge moneymaker.

There were other "better" office software that were also pirated at the time oversea. They still got obsoleted by Office, it is not because of piracy encouragement that leads to this. What I think, is they focus on 1) compatibility and 2) easy to use, and 3) bundle with new computer and business licensing.

Look more recently at Internet Explorer vs Netscape, Teams vs Slack, Word vs Acrobat, Ubuntu vs other Linux, Outlook vs other email clients. They don't win all of them, but they were always able to bundle their way to good enough and suck the oxygen out of other business market competition. The ones they couldn't, they break it down into a "we can conquer this and work with competitor's that" mentality.

I heard Bill Gate is still influencing the vision of the company via other board of directors, and Bill is not a tech genius but rather a business genius.
 
I hate to say it but not a single poster here has really figured out what Tesla's strategy is.

Tesla wants to primarily become a software company for cars, charging and energy storage devices, solar panels, pretty much everything to do with energy and transportation.

Will they make cars? Absolutely, but in due time it will be more about putting all the physical ingredients available elsewhere into an assembled product versus the heavily vertical integration they have now. EVs required a high level of vertical integration where the company designed and built most of the components in the beginning. Now that nearly every automaker is dedicating resources, and suppliers, towards the development of new EVs you will see this change.

Do they need the Supercharger network? No. There comes a point where a once emerging technology matures and experiences slower growth and reduced margins. Tesla was the first mover in this market. Now they dominate it. Now they can sell it at what he/they may think is its peak valuation. That money will be going to two areas...

Artificial Intelligence. Without digging too deep into the rabbit hole I'll just say that AI is to Silicon Valley what the Internet was to Silicon Valley 30 years ago.

Autonomous driving software. Tesla is making a huge bet that they can develop the software that makes autonomous driving possible. They will require enormous resources and cooperation with multiple partners (public and private) to make that a reality. The cost will likely be in the tens of billions over time and they will need to be, once again, subsidized.

Multiple governments will be involved with this along with many corporations that have resources that complement this push.

I wouldn't be surprised if you don't see another new model from Tesla for at least the next two years. Beyond that, they will take the 3/Y architecture and amortize it out to the greatest degree possible. No new models other than the semi-truck and others that are already works in progress. Whatever new model that comes out in terms of cars will be heavily based on the S/Y platform.

The Cybertruck for Tesla is a lot like what the Lisa was for Apple. An undertaking that had some merit in terms of technology but will eventually fizzle out. Gigcasting, 800V systems, and other engineering architectures that were focused on vehicle production will have most of their R&D funding re-directed towards AI and autonomy.

I am not long on Tesla. Mainly because I'm not convinced we have enough knowledge workers on this planet to make his goals a reality, given that so many others who are also heavily subsidized or have better technological advantages are pursuing the same exact thing. I may be wrong, but I think the Balkanization of the resources needed are eventually going to stagnate Tesla's ability to capitalize on AI or autonomy.

These fields are so new we just don't have the knowledge base quite yet. The money is getting ahead of the skill sets.
I sort of agree with you, except that I look at Tesla more as a VC running a bunch of startups under the hood.

Looking at the way they grow, they are selling a vision of fast growth, heavy capital investment, don't worry about profit if you can grow fast mentality. While you can say they make money only 2 out of 15, you can't ignore how fast they are growing and how they grow by stock appreciation instead of reinvesting profit. EV used to be fast growth, charging network used to be fast growth, self driving used to be fast growth, solar panel, battery storage, roof, tunnel boring, hyper loop, etc all used to be fast growth. Maybe you can also add alt coin (doggy coin) and flame thrower to the mix as well?

Why suddenly shift to only AI and ML? Probably because everything else has run its fast growth course and are now in commodity phase now, and nobody is making money. If you look at AWS and Azure, smart phone and tablet, etc, they are all just organic "slow" growth now in the 20% or so rate. Even Meta is starting to pay dividend (because you can't grow that fast anymore).

The only thing left is AI, so most likely that's why Elon just want to switch there. The only certainty is interest rate is no longer 0, and inflation is going to dictate how low interest can go and how much more money can we (humanity as a whole) print.

Maybe China will help them out on AI and self driving (partnering with Baidu using their map, keeping their China's R&D data in China, etc) when the free money is over? I don't know, they won't have many choices if they don't cut their R&D.
 

Tesla just laid off entire new vehicle team and supercharging team


Ain't it great? Seeing EVs going down the tubes like this!
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$17 million in federal grants from the current administration. We shall see where this goes.

He'll just outsource the building of the charging network and then sell it off for a nice profit
 
Lots of speculation and reactionary negative assumptions about these recent events at Tesla.
Has it occurred to anyone that since Tesla's competition are doing so poorly with their EV sales, why should Tesla devote money and resources towards expanding their charger network ? The whole strategy was supposed to be that as other automakers started to capture a share of the EV market, Tesla would benefit by having a network of chargers that would be compatible.

But as we have seen, making an EV isn't so easy. And not losing money on every one is even harder. When EV demand again increases, if the legacy automakers can figure out how to be competitive than Tesla will once again put money and resources into their charging network programs.

Their business decisions may seem harsh but they will do what they need to do to stay on top. And they aren't being hampered by the costs related to things like recalls, aging factory infrastructure, union demands and unfunded pension liabilities.

Say what you want about Elon and his personality but I doubt his business decisions will turn out to be wrong.
 
There were other "better" office software that were also pirated at the time oversea. They still got obsoleted by Office, it is not because of piracy encouragement that leads to this. What I think, is they focus on 1) compatibility and 2) easy to use, and 3) bundle with new computer and business licensing.

Look more recently at Internet Explorer vs Netscape, Teams vs Slack, Word vs Acrobat, Ubuntu vs other Linux, Outlook vs other email clients. They don't win all of them, but they were always able to bundle their way to good enough and suck the oxygen out of other business market competition. The ones they couldn't, they break it down into a "we can conquer this and work with competitor's that" mentality.

I heard Bill Gate is still influencing the vision of the company via other board of directors, and Bill is not a tech genius but rather a business genius.
Not going to get in a debate over who had the best word pressing, spread sheets, etc. But MicroSoft bundling it on new computers and making nearly free to the education sector was brilliant-from a marketing perspective. Of course, Apple did the same thing but the parents couldn't afford the hardware.
 
Tesla is a joke of a company now.

They cancelled their summer interns last minute. They are relatively low cost and clearly Tesla sees no hiring, future or expansion anytime.
 
This was after Tesla recieved $17 million in federal grants from the current administration. We shall see where this goes. The only time I've seen this type of mega slashing of entire departments was when a company was in financial trouble. Reminds me of Sears. Supercharging was the one thing that gave Tesla a leg up on their competitors.
This does not sound good at all for the Tesla Company, or current Tesla owners/customers.
 
With the whole world basically standardizing on J3400 it's no longer as critical for Tesla to keep pumping as much money into supercharging. Others can shoulder much of the burden.
 
With the whole world basically standardizing on J3400 it's no longer as critical for Tesla to keep pumping as much money into supercharging. Others can shoulder much of the burden.
They may have cut the cord on this, so to speak, a bit early. Insiders are saying some of the car makers are evaluating whether to stay with CCS now.
 
Yeah I don't get his "Are you hardcore" (Isn't that a deathmetal term?). If he keeps axing entire departments this doesn't bode well for Tesla.
Given that “supercharging” has become a commodity, im not seeing how this side of it is a huge issue.

A decade ago, DOE was investing in universities and all the rest to make advanced chargers.

Industry has embraced SiC and GaN generally for converters.

Infrastructure hasn’t caught up with chargers yet.

Other vendors have 350kW charge stations. EVs actually taking that much or more for sustained durations is false.

I can go to a Walmart and hook up to a random 350kW charger.

Sooooo……. Why do I need a team of folks working on chargers that frankly, are now being done in EE senior design projects???!?

I don’t know anything about hardcore. But I do know quite a bit about batteries and converters. It’s my day job in fact…

Now… a new vehicle team being laid off is a different story. But what’s the rest of the story? I’d hope for a Tesla model 2. If that team is laid off, not good. If it’s for something else it may not be as big of a deal. Especially if designers transition from design to design bringing common components and knowledge.
 
They may have cut the cord on this, so to speak, a bit early. Insiders are saying some of the car makers are evaluating whether to stay with CCS now.
Kyle from Out of Spec (Reviews and Podcast YouTube channels) has discussed it a bit. If you go to those you’ll see a couple of recent videos.

I’d link specifics so you don’t have to look but am on my phone and playing some short stories for my daughter.

He has a lot of contacts in the industry and apparently some automakers are considering their options regarding NACS. It also seems that most 3rd parties have no way to contact Tesla , as absolutely everyone they dealt with is gone.

New superchargers that haven’t broken ground or got to a certain stage are being cancelled.
 
Kyle from Out of Spec (Reviews and Podcast YouTube channels) has discussed it a bit. If you go to those you’ll see a couple of recent videos.

I’d link specifics so you don’t have to look but am on my phone and playing some short stories for my daughter.

He has a lot of contacts in the industry and apparently some automakers are considering their options regarding NACS. It also seems that most 3rd parties have no way to contact Tesla , as absolutely everyone they dealt with is gone.

New superchargers that haven’t broken ground or got to a certain stage are being cancelled.

I'll go check him out again. Since youtube required a sign in to keep any history, Ive started pulling away from it.
Kyles an interesting guy that does entirely too much talking.
His videos are great up until you want to see a documented outcome but he doesn't put any CG on screen like say Bjorn Nyland does every vid. Although his 20 minute challenge has a google sheet you can download.

I'm not sure why anyone needs to get a hold of tesla as J3400 is a published standard and you can just build a charger like a gas pump with a credit card, the Fed money requires chargers to be able to operate on a CC if I recall so tesla wasnt going to be getting tons of money from them anyway (or maybe they got around it)

We'll see if this tactic stands or what happens.
 
I am not so sure Tesla is exactly pulling the plug on their Supercharger network.

“Tesla still plans to grow the Supercharger network, just at a slower pace for new locations and more focus on 100 percent uptime and expansion of existing locations,” CEO Elon Musk wrote on X.

The Supercharger network has always been a big competitive advantage. Regardless, the news is shocking (get it?). Part of the decision is to due to "right sizing", as we say in Silicon Valley.
Even here in CA there are still a lot of charging gaps. I'm sure the rest of the world is in the same boat, only worse.

One would expect, now that the other EV companies are adopting Tesla configuration, that other vendors will help build out the world wide Supercharger network. Tesla won the Supercharger battle without even trying. Up-time and ease of use better than the competition.

The uniqueness is no longer, Tesla can focus on their core competencies and organizational goals. Anyone can copy their Supercharger standard; on to other priorities.

Business 101.
 
I am not so sure Tesla is exactly pulling the plug on their Supercharger network.

“Tesla still plans to grow the Supercharger network, just at a slower pace for new locations and more focus on 100 percent uptime and expansion of existing locations,” CEO Elon Musk wrote on X.

The Supercharger network has always been a big competitive advantage. Regardless, the news is shocking (get it?). Part of the decision is to due to "right sizing", as we say in Silicon Valley.
Even here in CA there are still a lot of charging gaps. I'm sure the rest of the world is in the same boat, only worse.

One would expect, now that the other EV companies are adopting Tesla configuration, that other vendors will help build out the world wide Supercharger network. Tesla won the Supercharger battle without even trying. Up-time and ease of use better than the competition.

The uniqueness is no longer, Tesla can focus on their core competencies and organizational goals. Anyone can copy their Supercharger standard; on to other priorities.

Business 101.
Precisely

Haters gonna hate…
 
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