Tesla just laid off entire new vehicle team and supercharging team

Seems Gigacasting is being gigacut.
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...gigacasting-manufacturing-process-2024-05-01/

I think they are starting to realize their ****e stinks just like every other manufacturer.
No wonder, they have had problems with the existing castings cracking, the used steel plates held on by riv nuts to repair cracked strut towers. These cars are not very good quality, IMHO they should learn how to build a car properly before trying to build one that drives itself.
 
This seems like a really poor time for this action. NACS is becoming the standard and various manufacturers are in the process of switching over to the ports on their vehicles.
Apparently a number of the European manufacturers are already reconsidering this and may stick with CCS in the North American market.

It seems short-sighted on Tesla's part, as the more manufacturers they can get on board with native NACS ports, the more revenue they should derive from charging.

I do realize that this doesn't preclude the use of CCS to NACS adapters if these companies still want to use the Tesla Supercharger network but it may have made more sense for Tesla to wait until most everyone was switched over before making this change. Perhaps they feel it's far enough along in the process that there's no turning back and it won't affect them much.
 
I am not surprised about the gigacasting "retreat". Interest rate is high (may drop but not going back to the free money days of the last decade), so it cost more to invest in capex and customers would have to spend more for the same financing or could afford less.

Tesla was grown with a lot of fast investment. Even if they don't make mistakes in their investment they would still need to return enough to justify.

I wouldn't be surprised if the supercharger layoff has a lot to do with them thinking about slowing down on the investment, and opening to everyone to use also is to help digest the excessive capacity that may not be used otherwise.
 
As a Tesla Model 3 owner, I consider the Supercharger network one of Tesla's best product lines. The Supercharger network was one of the best reasons to buy a Tesla. It is a core product. We can only hope that Musk didn't eliminate the entire team.

One of the things EVs need to grow is a standardized charging system. We were almost there. Not so sure anymore.

It would have been better if Tesla had sold off or spun off the Supercharger team and network.

Tesla probably needs a new CEO who can provide more thoughtful decisions.
 
I wonder how much debt Tesla has that only the folks at the top really know the true number ?
I don't think it is only debt, a lot of the pay people get are from stocks, and therefore if they think you are making too much money they may want to just lay you off and either hire new people, or hire some of you back to reset your stock grant.

I think Microsoft did that when they bought Skype from Paypal / eBay. Many of them were "making too much money" and they would either have to accept surrender some / most / all of the unvested stock grant, or be laid off. At will employment.
 
More issues coming it seems….
Yeah, they have a whole world of problems. This year is going to be a train wreck. I’m not a believer but I wouldn’t count them out.
I would expect they have some kind of mass plan for the years to come.

Yet it’s hard to believe with the CEO stating what a rough year this is going to be and now coming out in admitting hybrid vehicles are causing problems for them.

I love following it. I have no clue, but we have to admit they have made some enormous miss steps the last two years and in reality they have only been profitable for two years… think about that am I the only one who realizes this company that has been publicly traded for 15 years has only been profitable from the automobile operations for two. Throw in one of the two is solely because of China.

Anyway, there was a similar article. I posted in here a couple days ago, but this just came out today. I mean California was the bread and butter and things can’t be much worse considering the legacy makers are only starting to deliver electric vehicles with the starting to resist them and preferring gasoline or hybrids.

https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-registrations-fall-in-california-market-share-sales-2024-4
 
That Musk is a mercurial leader is inarguable.
That Tesla has succeeded in a tough business gaining large unit volume with an unconventional product line at premium prices under Musk's leadership is also inarguable.
I do wonder what he had in mind in canning an entire team dedicated to making EVs more usable for most owners and prospects as well as offering a profitable revenue stream for the company.
Is there a rational strategy here or did someone senior in the team simply disagree with Musk on the wrong issue at the wrong time?
Tesla is losing alot (or already lost) the engineers that did alot of the development to get them where they currently are. When Musk demanded his idiotic cybertruck many engineers told him it was a very bad idea and would put them behind or further behind the competition. He didn't listen but threw a fit demanding it happened. Five years late, now under a permanent stop sale, new Cybertrucks are already needing new battery packs replaced under warranty. Couple this with Musk himself stating that Tesla (He?) Put TEN projects on hold to develop the Cybertruck. Supposedly Tesla spent $4 Billion in 2023 on R&D, I'd be really curious to know how much the Cybertruck cost out of that amount.
 
I hate to say it but not a single poster here has really figured out what Tesla's strategy is.

Tesla wants to primarily become a software company for cars, charging and energy storage devices, solar panels, pretty much everything to do with energy and transportation.

Will they make cars? Absolutely, but in due time it will be more about putting all the physical ingredients available elsewhere into an assembled product versus the heavily vertical integration they have now. EVs required a high level of vertical integration where the company designed and built most of the components in the beginning. Now that nearly every automaker is dedicating resources, and suppliers, towards the development of new EVs you will see this change.

Do they need the Supercharger network? No. There comes a point where a once emerging technology matures and experiences slower growth and reduced margins. Tesla was the first mover in this market. Now they dominate it. Now they can sell it at what he/they may think is its peak valuation. That money will be going to two areas...

Artificial Intelligence. Without digging too deep into the rabbit hole I'll just say that AI is to Silicon Valley what the Internet was to Silicon Valley 30 years ago.

Autonomous driving software. Tesla is making a huge bet that they can develop the software that makes autonomous driving possible. They will require enormous resources and cooperation with multiple partners (public and private) to make that a reality. The cost will likely be in the tens of billions over time and they will need to be, once again, subsidized.

Multiple governments will be involved with this along with many corporations that have resources that complement this push.

I wouldn't be surprised if you don't see another new model from Tesla for at least the next two years. Beyond that, they will take the 3/Y architecture and amortize it out to the greatest degree possible. No new models other than the semi-truck and others that are already works in progress. Whatever new model that comes out in terms of cars will be heavily based on the S/Y platform.

The Cybertruck for Tesla is a lot like what the Lisa was for Apple. An undertaking that had some merit in terms of technology but will eventually fizzle out. Gigcasting, 800V systems, and other engineering architectures that were focused on vehicle production will have most of their R&D funding re-directed towards AI and autonomy.

I am not long on Tesla. Mainly because I'm not convinced we have enough knowledge workers on this planet to make his goals a reality, given that so many others who are also heavily subsidized or have better technological advantages are pursuing the same exact thing. I may be wrong, but I think the Balkanization of the resources needed are eventually going to stagnate Tesla's ability to capitalize on AI or autonomy.

These fields are so new we just don't have the knowledge base quite yet. The money is getting ahead of the skill sets.
 
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I hate to say it but not a single poster here has really figured out what Tesla's strategy is.
I will agree with you on this. Not a single poster. Including yourself. All we can do is speculate but only Elon knows the plan.

As the company founder, largest shareholder and CEO, he can do what he wants with it, as it should be.

He has many options with the charging network. Sell it, spin it off, contract out work, hire new staff...

Maybe he's helping accelerate the EV downturn to push the clueless govt into increasing incentives for him to pocket.

In any case, he's been around for a long time with successful ventures as well as failed ones. I doubt this was a knee jerk reaction. Something bigger is behind it.
 
All we can do is speculate but only Elon knows the plan.
Do we really think he does these days? Probably 50% chance his plan and vision are whatever he hallucinates on his next bender. 🤣

All joking aside, the company is clearly betting on their software and AI/ML dataset. If they were attempting to be or valued as a traditional car company it would be a total disaster and sinking ship.

He's also not a founder, btw. Tesla was founded by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning.
 
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