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Swine flu vaccine - would you take it ?
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Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: oilyriser
Polio is a dangerous sickness. Swine flu is not.
Yah I know, thats why we already have 522 deaths in the U.S. and its not even flu season yet.
How many died in car crashes in the same period of time?
Originally Posted By: oilyriser
Polio is a dangerous sickness. Swine flu is not.
Yah I know, thats why we already have 522 deaths in the U.S. and its not even flu season yet.
How many died in car crashes in the same period of time?
I have gotten flu shots for 35 years at least. Haven't had the flu once in that time. Yea..if there is not a shortage I'll get it.
Folks that get the shot help contain the spread of flu so its worth the risk to me.
Folks that get the shot help contain the spread of flu so its worth the risk to me.
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Originally Posted By: Al
I have gotten flu shots for 35 years at least. Haven't had the flu once in that time.
I've had a similar experience. For the last ten years, I've gotten free flu shots at work and have never gotten sick. Last year, because of scheduling conflicts, I missed getting the shot. Guess what happened? Yep, got the flu, three straight straight days of nothing but lying in bed shivering and aching. I had forgotten exactly how hard the flu can hit you. I will NOT be missing my shot this year.
As far as the swine flu vaccine, I'd take it if it was available to the general public.
I have gotten flu shots for 35 years at least. Haven't had the flu once in that time.
I've had a similar experience. For the last ten years, I've gotten free flu shots at work and have never gotten sick. Last year, because of scheduling conflicts, I missed getting the shot. Guess what happened? Yep, got the flu, three straight straight days of nothing but lying in bed shivering and aching. I had forgotten exactly how hard the flu can hit you. I will NOT be missing my shot this year.
As far as the swine flu vaccine, I'd take it if it was available to the general public.
[/quote] How many died in car crashes in the same period of time? [/quote]
And just what has that got to do with the swine flu?
Now to answer the question without knowing the numbers. Alot more died than if we could only get the boozers and cell phone crowd from behind the wheel.
Mayhap we should ask how many died from falling off a ladder during this same period of time. Makes complete sense to me?????????????????????
And just what has that got to do with the swine flu?
Now to answer the question without knowing the numbers. Alot more died than if we could only get the boozers and cell phone crowd from behind the wheel.
Mayhap we should ask how many died from falling off a ladder during this same period of time. Makes complete sense to me?????????????????????
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...hs-America.html
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A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.
The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.
It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.
GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.
The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.
It refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976
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A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.
The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.
It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.
GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.
The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.
It refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976
Over 45....never had a flu shot, never will. Have I ever had a flu? Certainly...it's part of being a human being. If someday I get old and weak and die from the flu then I guess that's another part of being human that I will accept.
I drink I smoke I have poor higene. That's what my wife says!!! but I always get my flue shot. I hang around the Theater 8 hours every day and I get in contact with so many people it wouldnt be good for buisness if I were to infect my staff and our patrons! All mutilplexes are breading grounds for infectious diseases. The seats are dirtier than the Bathrooms and we really cant dissinfect the seats. I wear gloves on the job atall times!!!! I should porbably wear a face mask for protection which I do when I work on the dumpsters but in the lobby the face mask might freak out the patrons so I get my flue shot. I dont think I have gotten the flue for a few years but I do get nasty colds frequently.
I forgot to add please dont throw all your half full beverage contaners into the garbage!!! All that liquid mess is a breading ground for bactera and virus's. If you cant finish your coke take it to the bathroom and poor it down the drain PLEASE!!
Originally Posted By: Oilpants
I drink I smoke I have poor higene. That's what my wife says!!! but I always get my flue shot. I hang around the Theater 8 hours every day and I get in contact with so many people it wouldnt be good for buisness if I were to infect my staff and our patrons! All mutilplexes are breading grounds for infectious diseases. The seats are dirtier than the Bathrooms and we really cant dissinfect the seats. I wear gloves on the job atall times!!!! I should porbably wear a face mask for protection which I do when I work on the dumpsters but in the lobby the face mask might freak out the patrons so I get my flue shot. I dont think I have gotten the flue for a few years but I do get nasty colds frequently.
That's a main reason I don't 'do' movie theaters or frequent very many high traffic public places. Eating establishments, pot-luck lunches at work, swimming pools, apartment complex hot tubs (totally repulsive), public restrooms, shopping carts....you name it and those nasty bugs are out there. I don't get flu shots...but at the same time getting some filthy disease from some gross person truly makes my skin crawl. I can't tell you how many times at my work I see fecal matter on toilet seats (or even on the wall behind the toilet!). People can really be disgusting.
I drink I smoke I have poor higene. That's what my wife says!!! but I always get my flue shot. I hang around the Theater 8 hours every day and I get in contact with so many people it wouldnt be good for buisness if I were to infect my staff and our patrons! All mutilplexes are breading grounds for infectious diseases. The seats are dirtier than the Bathrooms and we really cant dissinfect the seats. I wear gloves on the job atall times!!!! I should porbably wear a face mask for protection which I do when I work on the dumpsters but in the lobby the face mask might freak out the patrons so I get my flue shot. I dont think I have gotten the flue for a few years but I do get nasty colds frequently.
That's a main reason I don't 'do' movie theaters or frequent very many high traffic public places. Eating establishments, pot-luck lunches at work, swimming pools, apartment complex hot tubs (totally repulsive), public restrooms, shopping carts....you name it and those nasty bugs are out there. I don't get flu shots...but at the same time getting some filthy disease from some gross person truly makes my skin crawl. I can't tell you how many times at my work I see fecal matter on toilet seats (or even on the wall behind the toilet!). People can really be disgusting.
Here's a scarey story about this flu and fear mongering.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108604
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108604
I'm beginning to reconsider my stance against getting the vaccine. A 12 year old boy who lives a couple miles from me died on Monday, and the state health dept. has confirmed H1N1 as the cause. My wife saw the child with his mother on Saturday, and said he looked perfectly healthy. 2 days later, he's dead. I'm definitely getting my children vaccinated as soon as the vaccine is available. I will probably go ahead and get the stick too.
My daughter had swine flu a couple of weeks ago, as I posted in a thread before Mori took it off topic. She had fever for 1.5 days and vomited intermittently for a few hours. Wife (a pediatrician) gave her a revved up course of tamiflu and normal course of tamiflu to the rest of the family. She was fine and only missed one day of school. No one else in the family caught it either.
My advice would be, if you are wanting to avoid the vaccine, make sure you get tamiflu called in at the first sign of a fever. There's been very little resistance by the virus to tamiflu and none to Relenza. There have been some reports that tamiflu was "ineffective" but I know the one other time my daughter had flu, she did not recover in just a couple of day's time. Perhaps the virus was milder than the last seasonal flu she got.
As for vaccines, we all already have had the flu-mist, active virus version of the seasonal vaccine and have gone that route the past couple of years. The year before that, the vaccine was ineffective against the prevailing strain and we all ended up with flu anyway.
My wife is of the opinion that the rest of us did not contract the virus from my daughter since none of us even showed the slightest signs of sickness. So we will all still get the H1N1 shots when they are available.
But really, neither she nor any of her partners seem to be incredibly concerned about this flu. It doesn't appear to be anymore potent than any of the seasonal flus. People do die from those, as numerous folks have mentioned, regularly.
Of course, don't take anything I say as medical advice. Just giving my opinion(learned that one from my wife).
My advice would be, if you are wanting to avoid the vaccine, make sure you get tamiflu called in at the first sign of a fever. There's been very little resistance by the virus to tamiflu and none to Relenza. There have been some reports that tamiflu was "ineffective" but I know the one other time my daughter had flu, she did not recover in just a couple of day's time. Perhaps the virus was milder than the last seasonal flu she got.
As for vaccines, we all already have had the flu-mist, active virus version of the seasonal vaccine and have gone that route the past couple of years. The year before that, the vaccine was ineffective against the prevailing strain and we all ended up with flu anyway.
My wife is of the opinion that the rest of us did not contract the virus from my daughter since none of us even showed the slightest signs of sickness. So we will all still get the H1N1 shots when they are available.
But really, neither she nor any of her partners seem to be incredibly concerned about this flu. It doesn't appear to be anymore potent than any of the seasonal flus. People do die from those, as numerous folks have mentioned, regularly.
Of course, don't take anything I say as medical advice. Just giving my opinion(learned that one from my wife).
My oldest was going to spend time at Camp Newman-Swig in Santa Rosa in June but swine flue broke out. Their were two three definate and a dozen suspected cases. The Camp opened a week late but no way would i let my kid attennd under such circumstances!! a thirteen year old boy died from swine flue in Petaluma and another kid just died in Sonoma. Thats now six people dead from swine flue in Sonoma County.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Certainly...it's part of being a human being. If someday I get old and weak and die from the flu then I guess that's another part of being human that I will accept.
Interesting concept..dumb (IMHO), but interesting. But yea..if you die you will accept it.
Certainly...it's part of being a human being. If someday I get old and weak and die from the flu then I guess that's another part of being human that I will accept.
Interesting concept..dumb (IMHO), but interesting. But yea..if you die you will accept it.
Originally Posted By: Al
Interesting concept..dumb (IMHO), but interesting.
Do you consider all philosophies that differ from your own to be dumb, or just this particular one? I believe that I should die when my body is incapable of maintaining itself or dealing with simple perils. If that's dumb, please explain why. I don't think I'm inherently dumb or that I actually want to be dumb, but I certainly could use more knowledge!
Interesting concept..dumb (IMHO), but interesting.
Do you consider all philosophies that differ from your own to be dumb, or just this particular one? I believe that I should die when my body is incapable of maintaining itself or dealing with simple perils. If that's dumb, please explain why. I don't think I'm inherently dumb or that I actually want to be dumb, but I certainly could use more knowledge!
Originally Posted By: rpn453
Originally Posted By: Al
Interesting concept..dumb (IMHO), but interesting.
Do you consider all philosophies that differ from your own to be dumb, or just this particular one? I believe that I should die when my body is incapable of maintaining itself or dealing with simple perils. If that's dumb, please explain why. I don't think I'm inherently dumb or that I actually want to be dumb, but I certainly could use more knowledge!
With this attidude why would you ever seak out a Dr. for anything.
May hap you should walk everywhere you wish to go, as it would be your body taking you there, no need to use modern vehicles. Are you Amish?
Originally Posted By: Al
Interesting concept..dumb (IMHO), but interesting.
Do you consider all philosophies that differ from your own to be dumb, or just this particular one? I believe that I should die when my body is incapable of maintaining itself or dealing with simple perils. If that's dumb, please explain why. I don't think I'm inherently dumb or that I actually want to be dumb, but I certainly could use more knowledge!
With this attidude why would you ever seak out a Dr. for anything.
May hap you should walk everywhere you wish to go, as it would be your body taking you there, no need to use modern vehicles. Are you Amish?
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