Swine flu vaccine - would you take it ?

[mikeg5]

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You know this for a fact? yes? [/quote]

fact as in conversation with one of the leading researchers for Epid. here at the university.. he quoted the same.. he also mentioned that he loved how folks prey on fear and [censored] on others bc they do not jump the bandwagon of fear as well without proper research.. now go get your shot that was only researched for this particular strain for what 6months to a year?? most other successful vaccines are tested for years before released to the public. what does common sense tell you?.. ill take my chances with the flu until they have PROVEN that it has no ill side effects (long term) which of course will take years. but thats common sense as well...

what kills me is that some folks say "oh its fine, they have been doing this for years"..yes they have and they have made many many many mistakes as well for first, second and even third "batch" vaccines. google it.. lots of examples out there.

these are MY reasons for not taking it.. Not yours or anyone elses so talk trash all you want. if you dont believe me and without doing the research to prove me wrong then its worthless to even post this..(which it possibly is anyway) Famous quote from a leading researcher (different guy) is that medical companies release vaccines early to profit asap and worry about the consequences later. Basicaly they are preying on the fear of the citizens to bring profit in the masses. (noticed the media hype behind the flu??) they do not even know if it will work like they say it will. now thats bad imo.. any flu shot from year to year has a great chance of not even being the correct strain due to mutation of the virus..

 

[mikeg5]

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The only thing "rushed" was the effort to get it out. Not the vaccine cultivation process. That's why they are using adjuvent to begin with-they simply could not produce enough vaccine using the standard procedure in the time allotted to provide it to all the people/governments that want/need it.

Feel free not to take the vaccine, though. I certainly agree that it is NOT polio. The sky is not falling and this is not a killer flu anymore than any seasonal flu is a killer flu. As my own state's epidemiologist was quoted as saying, "We've had seven deaths so far. But each year we have hundreds of deaths from seasonal flu." So the main concern for right now is just that it will be a double-whammy flue season. [/quote]

you are somewhat correct and spot on on the fear factor part. however they did rush this. you cannot rush cultivation but you can rush every other aspect of it. as most of you know the faster you do something the more prone you are to make mistakes. luckily i am of decent health and i think not getting the shot is not puting my life into jeapardy or anyone else around me for that matter. again i am not saying do not get it. i just gave reasons on why I will not get it until years down the road or until i am in worse health. thats all. but to make fun or poke fun of someone who has amples amount of good info just bc you dont agree with it is quite childish and foolish. (that wasnt pointed towards you btw)

 

[benjamming]

Originally Posted By: BrianWC
[snip]Feel free not to take the vaccine, though.[snip]


That is the argument for me. I want to keep the freedom of whether or not to take the vaccine. Unfortunately, everyone in the US may not have that freedom. See New York for further details.

 

[BrianWC]

Originally Posted By: mikeg5

you are somewhat correct and spot on on the fear factor part. however they did rush this. you cannot rush cultivation but you can rush every other aspect of it. as most of you know the faster you do something the more prone you are to make mistakes.


What is "every other aspect?" There've been trials since July. Seasonal strains very from year to year. You can't test vacccines on them too much longer than we were able to on H1N1. The decision on what strains to include in the vaccine is only made after observation of the Southern hemisphere flu season. How much lead time does that give you? The only difference is that H1N1 wasn't widely observed until March, diminishing the lead time by a bit.

And no, I don't agree with what's going on in New York. But this happens all the time. I remember I didn't yet have one of the vaccination I needed when I went to college. I had to sign a waiver agreeing to leave school if there was ever an outbreak on campus.

 

[mikeg5]

Originally Posted By: benjamming
Originally Posted By: BrianWC
[snip]Feel free not to take the vaccine, though.[snip]


That is the argument for me. I want to keep the freedom of whether or not to take the vaccine. Unfortunately, everyone in the US may not have that freedom. See New York for further details.


i read that, how sad. we are losing freedoms due to fear.. it is hard to fathom america becoming cowards and willing to forgo their freedoms for a little security.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. "
B. Franklin

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: jcwit
How many died in car crashes in the same period of time? [/quote]

And just what has that got to do with the swine flu?

Now to answer the question without knowing the numbers. Alot more died than if we could only get the boozers and cell phone crowd from behind the wheel.

Mayhap we should ask how many died from falling off a ladder during this same period of time. Makes complete sense to me????????????????????? [/quote]People die all the time from all sorts of things . How many people will or do die from vaccines ?

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: BrianWC
BTW, have you ever heard the one about fluoridation and the attempt to poison our precious bodily fluids?


BTW, have you heard the American Dental Association tell mothers not to mix flouridated water into baby formula ?

 

[jcwit]

Ya, it has to do with the small size of the babies body!

 

[Shannow]

That's right...

Mass medication would (IMO) require a measuring of the dosage that individuals get. My children drink litres of water per day, our friends' children drink nothing from the tap, only juice and soft drink...

 

[jcwit]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
That's right...

Mass medication would (IMO) require a measuring of the dosage that individuals get. My children drink litres of water per day, our friends' children drink nothing from the tap, only juice and soft drink...


Not necessarily as with the flu vaccine all we want is for the body to build antibodies from a dead virus. This is with a shot. With the nasal type the virus is weakened but still alive, and again the body builds antibodies.

 

[BrianWC]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
That's right...

Mass medication would (IMO) require a measuring of the dosage that individuals get. My children drink litres of water per day, our friends' children drink nothing from the tap, only juice and soft drink...


The fluoridation was a reference to "Dr. Strangelove."

Flu shots are not administered in once size fits all dosages.

 

[BrianWC]

Oh, but I did misspeak about the Southern Hemisphere flu season, since, obviously, that occurs during the Northern summer. But the decision on the next year's vaccine is only made around February of each year. So this "novel" H1N1 missed the deadline by a month.

 

[mikeg5]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: BrianWC
BTW, have you ever heard the one about fluoridation and the attempt to poison our precious bodily fluids?


BTW, have you heard the American Dental Association tell mothers not to mix flouridated water into baby formula ?


Flouride in any form is illegal to dump on American soil due to its very high toxicity.. yes i brush my teeth lol. flouride should be used topically not ingested.

 

[BrianWC]

BTW, the reason the ADA recommends moderating fluoride in kids under 6 mos is only due to potential teeth staining.

 

[Shannow]

fluorosis sounds so much less benign.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: mikeg5
[censored] no i wont take that shot.. there have been historic proof of vaccines doing more harm than good esp if rushed to design like the H1n1 vaccine.. no way


Can you give examples of this. I have had flue shots since 1975..I think I missed 2 years. Wife has had Flu shots for 20 years. No problems there (Neither of us has had the flu) Wife and I have had Pneumonia and Tetnus shots..No problems there. Both Kids have bazinllions of shots since 1972..no problems there. Where are all of these problems???

Maybe you are in the Lab too much and need to get out more???
Maybe these shots were before 1972?????

Originally Posted By: mikeg5
As my own state's epidemiologist was quoted as saying, "We've had seven deaths so far. But each year we have hundreds of deaths from seasonal flu." So the main concern for right now is just that it will be a double-whammy flu season.

I wonder how many more 10's of thousands of deaths would occur if folks (like me) didn't take the shots to protect the rest (of you) from an epidemic??

 

[BrianWC]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
fluorosis sounds so much less benign.


Yes, just like rhinitis sounds much less benign than a runny nose.

 

[BrianWC]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: mikeg5
[censored] no i wont take that shot.. there have been historic proof of vaccines doing more harm than good esp if rushed to design like the H1n1 vaccine.. no way


Can you give examples of this. I have had flue shots since 1975..I think I missed 2 years. Wife has had Flu shots for 20 years. No problems there (Neither of us has had the flu) Wife and I have had Pneumonia and Tetnus shots..No problems there. Both Kids have bazinllions of shots since 1972..no problems there. Where are all of these problems???

Maybe you are in the Lab too much and need to get out more???
Maybe these shots were before 1972?????

Originally Posted By: mikeg5
As my own state's epidemiologist was quoted as saying, "We've had seven deaths so far. But each year we have hundreds of deaths from seasonal flu." So the main concern for right now is just that it will be a double-whammy flu season.

I wonder how many more 10's of thousands of deaths would occur if folks (like me) didn't take the shots to protect the rest (of you) from an epidemic??


Never said not to take the shot. Just pointing out the problem isn't the strength of the virus itself, it's just the fact that all it really boils down to is that we have 2 opportunities to get hit with flu this year. In otherwords, it's not the plague or ebola.

 

[BrianWC]

Swineflu strikes again! The wife got it last week from a baby that spit in her face while she was checking its throat. She just felt achy for about 3-4 days and that's about it. But my youngest (2 yrs old) contracted it from my wife. We'd gone out of town and I'd laid down with him for an afternoon nap. He coughed in my face the whole time. When he finally got up, I took his temp and he had a 102 fever. Didn't get really stuffy at first so we didn't go home right away. Wife picked up some tamiflu just in case. Yesterday we drove home and straight to her office. Flue tests for everyone! The wife's was negative but she said it was probably too late for her to have a positive result. The 2 year old's was positive type A. Surprise! So far he's just been stuffy and feverish. I'm getting stuffy, too. But nothing more severe so far. If I get worse, I'll get another flu test. I'm still waiting for Dustin Hoffman, Rene Russo, and Cuba Gooding, Jr to show up outside my house.

 

[BrianWC]

OK, after having 3 of the 5 members of my family contract swineflu, I have to say this is nuts:

http://wcbstv.com/health/h1n1.airport.screening.2.1235962.html

My 2 year old, 6 year old, and wife have all had it now. It was SO BAD for my wife that she had to take a nap on her lunch break last Thursday! THE HORROR! There's also got to be some sort of selective immunity going around. I can understand how maybe there's just an outside chance that I might have encountered some strain of flu in the past that might have given me immunity, but my 4 year old little girl? She's been all in her sibling's and mommy's faces and hasn't even had a stuffy nose.