Surprised by a Prius

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I never took a Toyota Prius seriously or wanted to drive one. After all, all of the reviews online say that they're "slow", numb, etc. So I was really surprised when I borrowed my parents' Prius when they went on a vacation. I promised to change oil.


The good:

1. You get 47-48mpg fuel economy fairly reliably. No longer you need to question "should I take a 10 mile round trip to supermarket to get salad dressing and milk?". Drive it like a maniac, you still still should get at least 40mpg.

2. Tiny turning circle. This thing can make a u-turn pretty much anywhere.

3. It's a nice zippy car for suburban driving. The steering wheel is light and responsive. The throttle response is more than adequate. While it is said that the car's 0-60mph time is around 10 seconds, which itself is not too bad for a compact, the throttle feels a lot more responsive. Floor it at any speed, and there is no drama, no hesitation in transmission, nothing. The car simply takes off. The torque is pretty adequate at any speed. The only place where I felt deficiency in power is when trying to overtake a stubborn and unyielding 18 wheeler on a narrow 2-lane road with three passengers. I think any car loaded car with 4-cylinder engine would stumble here.

4. The packaging is great. The external dimensions are those of a compact car, so it's very easy to park and taxi around tight areas. But it seats 4 adults comfortably. The rear leg room is decent. This is done at the expense of the trunk space. The trunk is small, but you can always fold the rear seat to carry an oversize cargo.

5. The car is a decent highway cruiser. The car feels slower than it really is driving. You don't feel high speed until you're driving at like 75-80mph.


The bad:

1. The car feels a little bit tin canish. I can clearly see where the corners were cut to make the car lighter. The road and wind noise are above average. Despite a fairly decent stock audio system, the speakers are struggling to overcome the road noise above 70mph. As a car audio enthusiast, I think some of this can be fixed by a professional car audio shop or yourself. The floor needs to be treated with layers of CLD, like dynamat or raammat, CCF, and MLV. The doors and maybe the roof also need the treatment IMO. This will increase the weight, but not by much.

2. There are no power seats in the base 24K "Prius Two" model. In fact, the "Three" trim with the navi system still does not have power seats. You need to jump to the more upscale "Four" trim, with MSRP 4 grand above the "Two" trim, to get the power seats. With MSRP over 28K, suddenly this does not seem such a great value, although the Four trim is well equipped (you get navigation system, premium audio, power seats with premium material, etc).
 
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Nice review! I've driven several. I think that the new Prius' are more tin can feeling than the previous generation.

My BIL & SIL have had 4 of them and currently still have 3 right now. The 2nd Gen(most people think it's the 1st gen) was the most substantial feeling and was reasonably quiet on the hiwy at 70 + MPH. Gets good MPG and get up to speed quite well(IDK what the 0-60 is)???

Now, with the new Prius', they[Prius] feels less substantial than the older one that they still have and, are noisier on the road and don't ride(absorb bumps) quite as well as the older gen(2nd gen).

They love'em and buy them when the tax breaks are going on. They get rid of(trade-in) the Prius' with almost no resale value penality. I'm sure they'll be getting another soon and keep trading up to another Prius when the timeing is right.
 
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Sounds pretty nice.
We considered a Prius when we bought the Forester and again when we bought the '12 Accord.
Given that my wife and I now drive only around 25K a year between us, the fuel savings would not have been all that significant if one of us were in a Prius, and the price to value ratio didn't make sense to us relative to either the Accord or the Forester.
If I ever find myself doing some heroic daily commute, which I'd prefer to avoid to the extent that I've passed on promotional opportunities to avoid it, a Prius would be well up the list of cars I'd consider.
Still, the Accord will average 33-34 mpg in interstate driving if kept a little under 75 mph and it is more comfortable than any Prius, as well as more likely to protect driver and passengers in any accident.
The Forester would also likely do pretty well in an accident, but we won't discuss its fuel economy.
Good thing it's my wife's daily and her drive to work is only fifteen miles each way.
 
The Bad.
You forgot to mention that when backing up, you can't see behind you. I drove my friends 2011 level II. I was afraid to back the darn thing up. Also, no Blind Spot Monitoring in the side windows. Also not at all quiet. Even when running on battery power, I could hear the a/c blowers, even when I was outside the car. Thought it was the gas engine but I was wrong.
 
Good objective review and spot on. I couldn't write it better and I drove one for 3 years. One comment: 24k for prius II is a bit too much. I paid 21K for mine back in 2010.

The only negative I have to say, with the ongoing brake recall/problems, looks like the 3rd gen of Prius, while a clearly better car, it's not as overbuild as the gen 2 (darling of taxi fleets).
 
Originally Posted By: ctrcbob
The Bad.
You forgot to mention that when backing up, you can't see behind you. I drove my friends 2011 level II. I was afraid to back the darn thing up. Also, no Blind Spot Monitoring in the side windows. Also not at all quiet. Even when running on battery power, I could hear the a/c blowers, even when I was outside the car. Thought it was the gas engine but I was wrong.


You are not objective at all. Of course hatchback will have less visibility. But, even my son who learns how to drive has no problem backing Prius up in my long slightly curved driveway. So, maybe it's you? I have RAV4 that has a whole lot of less rear visibility with a spare tire sticking in the rear. Yet, no one makes a big deal from that.

As for the AC "blowers"; any setting higher than speed 3 is going to be noisy. Prius has something like 10 blower speeds. If your friend has no sense limiting the blower speed, yep, they will be noisy.
 
The bad: Many Prius drivers.
I have to retrain many Prius drivers after installing on their vehicles.

They were completely unaware of the "READY" light in their instrument cluster. I am constantly shocked about how unaware they are. They will pass a breath test, grab the retardo-stub and try to drive.
"You will have to depress the brake and press the start button."
They do this and respond, "Nothing happened."
"The READY light is on. You can now operate your vehicle."
"Why did you put that light on? I don't want that on my car."
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"It's been there all along. From the factory."
"No, it wasn't. I don't want that on."

and couldn't Toyota have come up with something better than weird bluish green VFD from a 1981 Imperial?
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
The bad: Many Prius drivers.
I have to retrain many Prius drivers after installing on their vehicles.

They were completely unaware of the "READY" light in their instrument cluster. I am constantly shocked about how unaware they are. They will pass a breath test, grab the retardo-stub and try to drive.
"You will have to depress the brake and press the start button."
They do this and respond, "Nothing happened."
"The READY light is on. You can now operate your vehicle."
"Why did you put that light on? I don't want that on my car."
33.gif
"It's been there all along. From the factory."
"No, it wasn't. I don't want that on."


I saw some polls showing how many Prius drivers are old people. I didn't know they were that demented.
 
Originally Posted By: Zako2
I never took a Toyota Prius seriously or wanted to drive one. After all, all of the reviews online say that they're "slow", numb, etc. So I was really surprised when I borrowed my parents' Prius when they went on a vacation. I promised to change oil.


The good:

1. You get 47-48mpg fuel economy fairly reliably. No longer you need to question "should I take a 10 mile round trip to supermarket to get salad dressing and milk?". Drive it like a maniac, you still still should get at least 40mpg.

2. Tiny turning circle. This thing can make a u-turn pretty much anywhere.

3. It's a nice zippy car for suburban driving. The steering wheel is light and responsive. The throttle response is more than adequate. While it is said that the car's 0-60mph time is around 10 seconds, which itself is not too bad for a compact, the throttle feels a lot more responsive. Floor it at any speed, and there is no drama, no hesitation in transmission, nothing. The car simply takes off. The torque is pretty adequate at any speed. The only place where I felt deficiency in power is when trying to overtake a stubborn and unyielding 18 wheeler on a narrow 2-lane road with three passengers. I think any car loaded car with 4-cylinder engine would stumble here.

4. The packaging is great. The external dimensions are those of a compact car, so it's very easy to park and taxi around tight areas. But it seats 4 adults comfortably. The rear leg room is decent. This is done at the expense of the trunk space. The trunk is small, but you can always fold the rear seat to carry an oversize cargo.

5. The car is a decent highway cruiser. The car feels slower than it really is driving. You don't feel high speed until you're driving at like 75-80mph.


The bad:

1. The car feels a little bit tin canish. I can clearly see where the corners were cut to make the car lighter. The road and wind noise are above average. Despite a fairly decent stock audio system, the speakers are struggling to overcome the road noise above 70mph. As a car audio enthusiast, I think some of this can be fixed by a professional car audio shop or yourself. The floor needs to be treated with layers of CLD, like dynamat or raammat, CCF, and MLV. The doors and maybe the roof also need the treatment IMO. This will increase the weight, but not by much.

2. There are no power seats in the base 24K "Prius Two" model. In fact, the "Three" trim with the navi system still does not have power seats. You need to jump to the more upscale "Four" trim, with MSRP 4 grand above the "Two" trim, to get the power seats. With MSRP over 28K, suddenly this does not seem such a great value, although the Four trim is well equipped (you get navigation system, premium audio, power seats with premium material, etc).




Yep. You forgot to mention that it has a surprisingly useful back seat. It holds four comfortably. It also has good driver visibility, another important real-world advantage. Of course, whether you really justify the battery premium over say a Mazda 2 is questionable.
 
Originally Posted By: jimbrewer
Of course, whether you really justify the battery premium over say a Mazda 2 is questionable.


Apples to oranges. Mazda 2 is subcompact, Prius is considered mid-size.
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: jimbrewer
Of course, whether you really justify the battery premium over say a Mazda 2 is questionable.


Apples to oranges. Mazda 2 is subcompact, Prius is considered mid-size.


My teenage kids would have difficulty fitting in the back seat of a 2. It has less rear seat space than the '02 Prizm I used to drive, and my kids felt cramped in that.
 
Again, as time goes on, people discover the Prius isnt as bad as it has been bad mouthed to be.

My 2007 Prius is constantly surprising my family and friends, both when I drive them around or when I let them borrow it. Its not the tiny "smart car" sized, dangerous, 0-60 in 12 minutes, unrefined econobox that some plaster it to be!

Fold down the back seats and you can put a LOT of stuff in the hatch. Heck, even with the seats up the hatch/trunk is still very large IMO.
 
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I had considered a 2nd Gen Prius when I bought the xB in 2011. A Prius with similar mileage on the odometer was about $6000 more than I paid for the xB. Six grand will put a LOT of gas in a car that I'm currently squeezing 41 mpg out of.

If I were looking to buy a new car, Prius would be on my short list.
 
I have to comment on this topic. We looked for a vehicle that would give good mileage on the highway and decent mileage in the city. I rode in a Prius and we did not want a tiny sardine can either. That is what caused us to pick the VW diesel Passat. I now have 9300 miles on it and since new, with all driving I have averaged 50.2 mpg. On trips, I have been in the mid or even upper 50's. Going from central PA to Winchester VA, I averaged 58.1 mpg.

This is a SPACIOUS car. The back seat has enormous room, the front is well laid out and quite comfortable. The torque from the 4 cylinder diesel makes you think you are driving with a much larger engine; acceleration is absolutely no problem. And if you want to go a little crazy, put the DSG trans in the sport mode.

So having an econobox that gets 45 is not really imprssive. I like the room, the design, the power and the overall driving experience with this car. I would certainly recommend it to you for your serious consideration.
 
My mother in law has a 2004 Prius with probably 130-140k miles on it now and it's been a great car with very few problems. I've driven it several times and never understood all the negativity coming from some about the way it drives. Obviously it's not a sports car or a paragon of steering feel, but I always thought it was just fine to drive.

That car hasn't had any battery problems either and AFAIK still gets MPG in the mid-40s just like it always has where it's driven.
 
Originally Posted By: rationull
I've driven it several times and never understood all the negativity coming from some about the way it drives. Obviously it's not a sports car or a paragon of steering feel, but I always thought it was just fine to drive.

That car hasn't had any battery problems either and AFAIK still gets MPG in the mid-40s just like it always has where it's driven.


Simple, people are brainwashed by oil industry that it's a sin to drive a hybrid cars.

The big oil is desperate to fight the alternative cars, as the gasoline use in USA is dropping like a rock.
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: rationull
I've driven it several times and never understood all the negativity coming from some about the way it drives. Obviously it's not a sports car or a paragon of steering feel, but I always thought it was just fine to drive.

That car hasn't had any battery problems either and AFAIK still gets MPG in the mid-40s just like it always has where it's driven.


Simple, people are brainwashed by oil industry that it's a sin to drive a hybrid cars.

The big oil is desperate to fight the alternative cars, as the gasoline use in USA is dropping like a rock.


I don't think that's necessarily the case for everyone. I think some people probably just assume because it's fuel efficient, not fast, and a little weird looking that it's a chintzy and strange car. The truth is that it's a fine car but if you don't like anything that's "different" or you don't like C-segment vehicles in general you probably won't like it.

I have some family members that rag on the Prius but are fine with e.g. the Escape hybrid. I don't think it's always a prejudice against hybrids in particular.
 
I was always surprised by the legroom in the rear (I am 6'3" with my height in my legs). Not quite a old DeVille but better than any full-sized Ford. Comfortable too even on long road trips.

I personally find it a hoot when some folks make fun of the hybrids. One person in particular like to rant excessively about fiscal responsibility, call hybrids a "fad", complains about high fuel costs, but then drives their large vehicle (not associated with their work) 120+ miles for their daily commute.
 
Check back in when that VW has 93K.
I only write that because VW reliability and durability hasn't been all that good over the past couple of decades, and that isn't just internet drivel.
Maybe they're better now?
I do like the idea of a moderately priced diesel and the Passat offers a lot of space and refinement to go along with the great fuel economy.
I hope that you'll find it to be as reliable as it is economical.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Check back in when that VW has 93K.
I only write that because VW reliability and durability hasn't been all that good over the past couple of decades, and that isn't just internet drivel.
Maybe they're better now?
I do like the idea of a moderately priced diesel and the Passat offers a lot of space and refinement to go along with the great fuel economy.
I hope that you'll find it to be as reliable as it is economical.

Or 193k miles, I really wanted to get a TDI wagon instead of the Focus, but they still have timing belts and the used ones have crazy high mileage, or crazy high prices...
I am impressed how VW doesn't gouge people on their new cars with a TDI, for 4 cyl Camry money, you can get a TDI passat. If I was buying new, they would be very high on the list. Maybe a test drive would overcome my VW phobia!
 
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