Super Tech ST3614 - Photos

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Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: MONKEYMAN
I am using a Mobil 1 M-209 with Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 on a 2001 RX-300. Filter was $7.00. Oil was $20 with Auto Zone oil change special. I am using the SuperTech ST3614 on a Murray rider with a Briggs Motor. That seems to be a better use for the SuperTech.

Where did you purchase a Mobil 1 filter for $7 ?

Last time I checked w/ AZ...they were $12.99.

At $7 I would purchase a bunch of them .


It was an old change special at Auto Zone in December. It was 5 quarts PP and a Mobil 1 filter for $27.00. I bought two of those specials.
 
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
It is regrettable that you would use this filter on that car. If you must use a Wal-Mart filter, use the MotorCraft FL1A. I've used it on my LS400 with good results.
Thanks for sharing by the way.


Calling it a Wal-Mart filer is a bit condescending. The car is 12 years old, and that filter (general Filter) is as good as any. FL1A is not going to fit on that car

1) Wal-Mart is the only retailer for that filter, as far as I know. They also are known to strangle their suppliers to offer bottom-spec products at a low price point.
1a) That filter is as good as any? The filter media ruptured. That's a failure.
2) You can't compare a 12 year old LS400 to other 12 year old cars.
3) How do you know that the FL1A doesn't work on that car? Because I know for sure that it works on _MY_ LS400.


The ST equivelent to the FL1A is the ST8. The filter in the pic is not an ST8. FL1A has a built in anti-drain back valve, Lexus has the anti-drain back valve built into the block, so you don't need it in the filter. Because it screws on, does not mean its the right filter.
 
Originally Posted By: DieselTech
I don't care what anybody says that filter is no better the an orange can. weather filtering makes a car last longer or not ( Which nobody knows ) it seems crazy to skimp on the oil filter.



+1

No way would I use it. I usually don't comment on the negative trail wagon, but between this filter and the one webfors did I've concluded my second NEVER statement.

My first NEVER was I'm never using another Interstate battery, just for the record. I'll await Gary's responses towards my NEVER statements.
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Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
Cue labman and coolant leakage. Cue SuperBusa and low efficiency. Cue Webfors and another Ecore shocker!!!
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This has nothing to do with length of service and everything to do with the uneven pleats in the exact area where the filter media is about to fail. The media is severely lacking in structural integrity in that one area. Again, uneven pleats is less of an issue when you have a solid center tube. We've seen lots of uneven pleats on lots of different brands. However, on an ecore it's a liability.

In this pic you can clearly see the media pressing up against the ecore plastic cage. Just a matter of time before the media weakens and fails in that one area. Looks identical to the ones I cut open.

The rest of the filter looks perfect!! If these filters had even/tight pleats all the way around I suspect this filter would do just fine for 10k oci's.
 
I think we are a bit too anal about filters here. Did Bob not do a post years ago where he said a filter was not needed, and flow was more important? If VW bugs can go 100K without any filter and a 2 quart sump, maybe it's just not that critical to have the best, most expensive filter made.
 
Originally Posted By: Zedhed
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
ST is a great low cost filter.

No need for a $12 Mobil 1 filter to get the 'job' done


Penny wise -- and dollar foolish


No kiddin' ... save a buck to potentially have a media blow-out and damage an engine. Makes perfects sense.
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Originally Posted By: Texan4Life
Escare!!

i love saying that lol.

I have a pile of STs I need to cut open. kinda like I cut open every fram I can find. SuperTech's turn.


It's like an Easter egg hunt to see which ST in the bunch has the "media blow-out" inside.
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Originally Posted By: Bluestream
I think we are a bit too anal about filters here. Did Bob not do a post years ago where he said a filter was not needed, and flow was more important? If VW bugs can go 100K without any filter and a 2 quart sump, maybe it's just not that critical to have the best, most expensive filter made.


Have you ever dissected an oil filter after use and unfolded the media to inspect the debris caught deep in the pleats? You should do it once and then decide if your engine needs an oil filter or not. You'd be surprised on what you see caught n the media when looking with a strong light and 10x magnification - even on a near new, clean engine.
 
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
I think we are a bit too anal about filters here. Did Bob not do a post years ago where he said a filter was not needed, and flow was more important? If VW bugs can go 100K without any filter and a 2 quart sump, maybe it's just not that critical to have the best, most expensive filter made.


Have you ever dissected an oil filter after use and unfolded the media to inspect the debris caught deep in the pleats? You should do it once and then decide if your engine needs an oil filter or not. You'd be surprised on what you see caught n the media when looking with a strong light and 10x magnification - even on a near new, clean engine.


I have taken dozens apart starting in 1974. My BMW has a cartridge filter that does not need to be taken apart. I have never seen any debris or sludge of any kind.
 
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
I think we are a bit too anal about filters here. Did Bob not do a post years ago where he said a filter was not needed, and flow was more important? If VW bugs can go 100K without any filter and a 2 quart sump, maybe it's just not that critical to have the best, most expensive filter made.


Have you ever dissected an oil filter after use and unfolded the media to inspect the debris caught deep in the pleats? You should do it once and then decide if your engine needs an oil filter or not. You'd be surprised on what you see caught n the media when looking with a strong light and 10x magnification - even on a near new, clean engine.


I have taken dozens apart starting in 1974. My BMW has a cartridge filter that does not need to be taken apart. I have never seen any debris or sludge of any kind.


But did you cut the media out and lay it all out flat and inspect it carefully with a strong light and at least a 10x magnifying glass? You'd be surprised what you see. The debris is way down deep in the pleats, and you need to lay the media out flat to see it all very well.
 
No more E-Cores for me.

Upon closer examination, it appears this failure began where the media is bonded to the end caps. The bond either failed or there was never a bond to begin with. The pleat distorts and tears.



There IS a hole in the media.

 
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
I think we are a bit too anal about filters here. Did Bob not do a post years ago where he said a filter was not needed, and flow was more important? If VW bugs can go 100K without any filter and a 2 quart sump, maybe it's just not that critical to have the best, most expensive filter made.


Have you ever dissected an oil filter after use and unfolded the media to inspect the debris caught deep in the pleats? You should do it once and then decide if your engine needs an oil filter or not. You'd be surprised on what you see caught n the media when looking with a strong light and 10x magnification - even on a near new, clean engine.


I have taken dozens apart starting in 1974. My BMW has a cartridge filter that does not need to be taken apart. I have never seen any debris or sludge of any kind.


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I like filters. Especially when you buy a used vehicle with an unknown maintenance history and then subject it to Mobil 1. This is the result.
 
A lot. Many filters are smaller and have less media in them. Purolator is under new ownership and the filters are redesigned. Champ has introduced the Ecore. Wix is no longer part of Dana. I haven't cut up before and after Wix filters. Less media may not be bad if it is better quality. Even 7 month old data may be out of date.
 
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