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Originally posted by lubeowner:
Hey FG, I really recommend you read Tom Glenn's article in the upcoming issue of Lubes-N-Greases magazine. You might learn something about the lack of testing and standardization in the filter industry. You can't actually think that the testing done on oil filters is even in the ballpark of what the engine oils must go through to be licensed.
Originally the Warner filters were sold to us under the "they all come off the same line" sales pitch. Then came the clicker valve. I for one never received any documentation that they were totally scrapping the threaded end bypass design, in favor of what I believe is a cost cutting, unreliable design.
I am not going to further this debate. I have completed some tests on my employee vehicles and I will tell you that the Champs that we cut open that were run to the OEM recommended interval of 5k or 7500mi. did not survive. The PH2808 that come off of one of their cars after 7k miles had 5 pleats torn off and flattened against the center tube. Guess where, there the pleats were unevenly spaced. Back to ignore list.
I'm sure you can show me when you cut open my filter. You ARE going to do that aren't you?
I will tell you that the Champs that we cut open that were run to the OEM recommended interval of 5k or 7500mi. did not survive
Well the part numbers you had pictures of, complained the most about, were of the Warner brand and were from the Ford family of filters..
Ford does NOT claim 5,000 mile oil change intervals nor 7,500 miles.
As with most of your posts you deflect away the issue rather than post facts. Can you link to any of your cut open filters you posted and show us where you posted that the filter did not last 5,000 miles instead of generalizing and using the bait and switch tactic with your posts. You were asked more than once by numerous posters to do exactly that and post the mileages with your pictures.
Just the facts please from your pictures. Not your personal re-interpretation of things.
I will also ask you this,as you're the expert...
I have two quarts of oil. One is Mobil 1, which I use in my current Taurus. I have read every inch of the wording on the filter. Can
YOU tell me how long Mobil 1 0W-20 weight oil will last?
3,000 miles?
3,500 miles?
4,000 miles?
5-6-7-8-9-10,000 miles? More?
And if you can't, why can't you?
I also have a quart of Valvoline Durablend 5W-30 semi-sythentic that was for my previous Taurus?
Can
YOU tell me the same thing for that brand of oil? How long will it last?
Keeping in mind of course your earlier post about filters when you said "If it only lasts 3K miles then it needs to say so."
So as a consumer, how long can I go on either oil and why do OEM's have statements in their manuals which list certain mileage recommendations to change oil..regardless of brand, blend, or type?
Can you also show me
anywhere in any automotive OEM manual where extending drain intervals is approved by the OEM? With or without oil analysis. Ford? GM? Chrysler? VW? Honda? Toyota? Mercedes? Any brand of car you want. Can you show us where an automotive OEM says you can go 1,000..2,000...3,000...5,000 miles, whatever extra length of mileage as an extension to their recommeded oil change. And if not, why don't they?