Suicide
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My brother did it to himself, last year, the day after Thanksgiving. His method of choice was insulin overdose. His note was short and to the point. He had been letting himself go, physically, for a long time. He did not want to deal with the consequences. He was never married and had no kids. It has been hardest on our mom.
I think that some people put themselves in their families under unnecessary financial pressures. I think this added to normal stressors pushes people into the red. People spend every dollar they make and increase their spending/expenses with every raise. Money is probably my biggest stressor but I don't allow it to be because I/we live well within my/our means, max 401k, Roth, and save on top of that. We still waste money, eat out too much, buy [censored] we don't need. It helps that my wife shares my frugalness. She still worries about money even though we have a nice nest egg (emergency fund). Periodically I have to sit down with her and detail our assets and liabilities and this eases her mind. Money is a tool don't let it own you.
My mothers long term boyfriend committed suicide a few years back. I never got the feeling she was upset but rather angry. She had left a career to start a business with him. Not only did she loose her partner she lost her income source which caused her to almost lose her home too. I felt bad for the three daughters he left behind they seemed to be pretty close. He had attempted suicide multiple times before (pills). The day of the incident they had an argument, he said he was going to run an errand. He removed the hard drive from the computer, disposed of it, returned to his work shop and hung himself. He left a external hard drive that had the company quickbooks on it. I am still curious what was on the hard drive that he disposed of.
Drugs and alcohol can magnify a chemical imbalance even though the individual maybe trying to self medicate.
My mothers long term boyfriend committed suicide a few years back. I never got the feeling she was upset but rather angry. She had left a career to start a business with him. Not only did she loose her partner she lost her income source which caused her to almost lose her home too. I felt bad for the three daughters he left behind they seemed to be pretty close. He had attempted suicide multiple times before (pills). The day of the incident they had an argument, he said he was going to run an errand. He removed the hard drive from the computer, disposed of it, returned to his work shop and hung himself. He left a external hard drive that had the company quickbooks on it. I am still curious what was on the hard drive that he disposed of.
Drugs and alcohol can magnify a chemical imbalance even though the individual maybe trying to self medicate.
Mikefxu...not to take away from your experience, but a guy tsking pills is a bit unusual...my sis is a psychologist (who is now struggling with what she didn' t pick up on), and does lifeline phone counselling.
Typically pills is how a female 'attempts' suicide...there's a delay between action and consequence that allows discovery, a final phone call, and help to arrive...males tend to take a more certain approach...guns, ropes, high places, and unexplainable single motor vehicle accudents.
If they DO nake a phonecall, then the coubseller has ti keep them talking long enough for the impulse to pass.
A good friend was editor of a regional newspaper during one of our big droughts...farmers wives were pills, and a chance for a changed life..nfsrmers were far more certain in their actions
Typically pills is how a female 'attempts' suicide...there's a delay between action and consequence that allows discovery, a final phone call, and help to arrive...males tend to take a more certain approach...guns, ropes, high places, and unexplainable single motor vehicle accudents.
If they DO nake a phonecall, then the coubseller has ti keep them talking long enough for the impulse to pass.
A good friend was editor of a regional newspaper during one of our big droughts...farmers wives were pills, and a chance for a changed life..nfsrmers were far more certain in their actions
Friend of a friend just did himself in... had MS and presumably had neuropathic pain that couldn't get treated.
I think it comes down to pride, misapplied at times in a society that values machismo. "You won't see me come crawling back" or "you won't see me as a burden" taken to its ultimate extreme.
I think it comes down to pride, misapplied at times in a society that values machismo. "You won't see me come crawling back" or "you won't see me as a burden" taken to its ultimate extreme.
I can understand if someone is in very poor physical health and trying to avoid the pain and being in long term care.
ALS, cancer, etc....
ALS, cancer, etc....
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I can understand if someone is in very poor physical health and trying to avoid the pain and being in long term care.
ALS, cancer, etc....
There is a interesting documentary on netflix about assisted suicide: How to Die in Oregon
I can understand if someone is in very poor physical health and trying to avoid the pain and being in long term care.
ALS, cancer, etc....
There is a interesting documentary on netflix about assisted suicide: How to Die in Oregon
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Mikefxu...not to take away from your experience, but a guy tsking pills is a bit unusual...my sis is a psychologist (who is now struggling with what she didn' t pick up on), and does lifeline phone counselling.
Typically pills is how a female 'attempts' suicide...there's a delay between action and consequence that allows discovery, a final phone call, and help to arrive...males tend to take a more certain approach...guns, ropes, high places, and unexplainable single motor vehicle accudents.
My cousin used pills...washed down about 50 sleeping pills with a fifth of Jack Daniels. Honestly, I suspect that was simply the first method he could get quickly and easily.
Mikefxu...not to take away from your experience, but a guy tsking pills is a bit unusual...my sis is a psychologist (who is now struggling with what she didn' t pick up on), and does lifeline phone counselling.
Typically pills is how a female 'attempts' suicide...there's a delay between action and consequence that allows discovery, a final phone call, and help to arrive...males tend to take a more certain approach...guns, ropes, high places, and unexplainable single motor vehicle accudents.
My cousin used pills...washed down about 50 sleeping pills with a fifth of Jack Daniels. Honestly, I suspect that was simply the first method he could get quickly and easily.
True, there is that aspect.
One of my mate's sisters was a veterinarian, and in feb stole some of that green euthenasia chemical, sat at a pub, had a beer, then drove into the bush and injected...not everyone follows the typical pattern.
One of my mate's sisters was a veterinarian, and in feb stole some of that green euthenasia chemical, sat at a pub, had a beer, then drove into the bush and injected...not everyone follows the typical pattern.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Mikefxu...not to take away from your experience, but a guy tsking pills is a bit unusual...my sis is a psychologist (who is now struggling with what she didn' t pick up on), and does lifeline phone counselling.
Typically pills is how a female 'attempts' suicide...there's a delay between action and consequence that allows discovery, a final phone call, and help to arrive...males tend to take a more certain approach...guns, ropes, high places, and unexplainable single motor vehicle accudents.
If they DO nake a phonecall, then the coubseller has ti keep them talking long enough for the impulse to pass.
A good friend was editor of a regional newspaper during one of our big droughts...farmers wives were pills, and a chance for a changed life..nfsrmers were far more certain in their actions
Recreational prescription drug abuse easily tips into suicide attempt. Again someone with a chemical imbalance may have a greater imbalance under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
Mikefxu...not to take away from your experience, but a guy tsking pills is a bit unusual...my sis is a psychologist (who is now struggling with what she didn' t pick up on), and does lifeline phone counselling.
Typically pills is how a female 'attempts' suicide...there's a delay between action and consequence that allows discovery, a final phone call, and help to arrive...males tend to take a more certain approach...guns, ropes, high places, and unexplainable single motor vehicle accudents.
If they DO nake a phonecall, then the coubseller has ti keep them talking long enough for the impulse to pass.
A good friend was editor of a regional newspaper during one of our big droughts...farmers wives were pills, and a chance for a changed life..nfsrmers were far more certain in their actions
Recreational prescription drug abuse easily tips into suicide attempt. Again someone with a chemical imbalance may have a greater imbalance under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Typically pills is how a female 'attempts' suicide...there's a delay between action and consequence that allows discovery, a final phone call, and help to arrive...males tend to take a more certain approach...guns, ropes, high places, and unexplainable single motor vehicle accudents.
I think this might be because females are conditioned to believe there's always a possibility they might be 'rescued'. A male is taught that he's got to do things for himself. For those of us who've degraded to the point where hope of recovery is gone, a quick irreversible action looks like the better route.
Typically pills is how a female 'attempts' suicide...there's a delay between action and consequence that allows discovery, a final phone call, and help to arrive...males tend to take a more certain approach...guns, ropes, high places, and unexplainable single motor vehicle accudents.
I think this might be because females are conditioned to believe there's always a possibility they might be 'rescued'. A male is taught that he's got to do things for himself. For those of us who've degraded to the point where hope of recovery is gone, a quick irreversible action looks like the better route.
I am truly sorry for you. My neighbor who was 46 yrs. old was happily married with 2 kids aged 22 and 18 with a newborn granddaughter a month before he committed suicide at home this past March. He did have bad back problems that left him disabled for the past 7 years, and as a result was on many medications. His wife just last week lost her job at a local manufacturing company and is now unemployed. She knew her job was in jeopardy last winter and their house was in foreclosure since Jan. 2014.
A week before he died, he was put on a hard core pain killer and acted weird. He was up all night and even sat in his car at 3am during a cold snap in just underwear. Thank God he didn't have keys. His son had to pull him back in the house.
He did have a lot of problems, but he also (I feel) had a lot going for him. A loving family, and a newborn granddaughter. But maybe the pain/ pain killers got to him? He left with no life insurance or settlement from his former employer. I feel bad for him, but feel more sad for his family. They are moving out at the end of the month. A family friend has taken them in just a few miles away. I hope people think about what happens to others when are not here anymore, but I never walked in his shoes either.
A week before he died, he was put on a hard core pain killer and acted weird. He was up all night and even sat in his car at 3am during a cold snap in just underwear. Thank God he didn't have keys. His son had to pull him back in the house.
He did have a lot of problems, but he also (I feel) had a lot going for him. A loving family, and a newborn granddaughter. But maybe the pain/ pain killers got to him? He left with no life insurance or settlement from his former employer. I feel bad for him, but feel more sad for his family. They are moving out at the end of the month. A family friend has taken them in just a few miles away. I hope people think about what happens to others when are not here anymore, but I never walked in his shoes either.
Lost a good friend less than a year ago - the only, only, solace we could take out of it was that he must have truly thought it was the best for him, as it is such a selfish act. We can only hope that it was what he truly wanted and needed.
Leaving behind a wife and kids, though, that I cannot believe is ever the way to go.
Leaving behind a wife and kids, though, that I cannot believe is ever the way to go.
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Ugh. So terrible. My heart aches for the family and hopefully your buddy is in a better place.
Whenever someone mentions judging others I think of these lyrics to a song that, though popular when I was in high school, did not rate highly with me until decades later.
Quick to judge,
Quick to anger,
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand.
Quick to judge,
Quick to anger,
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand.
It's sad when someone takes their own life.
I threw a post up last year about a friend of mine who was having issues with sever depression. It almost cost him his life at few various points.
My friend went to an inpatient therapy program for probably 1.5 months or so. Not everyone is able to just sign themself into an inpatient program for that long. Bills, etc. I can understand how it can be easy for someone to 'lose the fight'.
As I learned from speaking with him, the thoughts never go away. It's not something that can easily be explained.
After getting out, he was trying to find a job and started volunteering at a local youth center. That helped fulfill his need to feel useful (at the time he was unemployed). Volunteering full time allowed him to say that he was keeping busy during job interviews and he managed to land himself a decent job.
He still volunteers and is off of the medication.
It's not something I understand. I'll never understand what anyone with clinical depression goes through. Probably none of us will unless we experience it.
I threw a post up last year about a friend of mine who was having issues with sever depression. It almost cost him his life at few various points.
My friend went to an inpatient therapy program for probably 1.5 months or so. Not everyone is able to just sign themself into an inpatient program for that long. Bills, etc. I can understand how it can be easy for someone to 'lose the fight'.
As I learned from speaking with him, the thoughts never go away. It's not something that can easily be explained.
After getting out, he was trying to find a job and started volunteering at a local youth center. That helped fulfill his need to feel useful (at the time he was unemployed). Volunteering full time allowed him to say that he was keeping busy during job interviews and he managed to land himself a decent job.
He still volunteers and is off of the medication.
It's not something I understand. I'll never understand what anyone with clinical depression goes through. Probably none of us will unless we experience it.
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