I'm not sure people even need to worry about portion size when they are eating unprocessed foods. The natural satiety that comes with eating them will stop you from overeating. Plus I think diets (as in calorie restriction to lose weight) are bad for people long term because it downgrades metabolism and thyroid function. Puts the body into chronic fight or flight mode which is a pretty good recipe for becoming skinny fat.
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I'm not much of a milk drinker. Even on cereal I'll go with some sort of unsweetened almond milk. It's just not appealing to me and always smells like it is sour.
I am not a big soda drinker, either. Or juice. I generally drink water, tea (no sugar), iced coffee (black, no sugar) and the occasional beer.
A lot of juices make me feel sick with all of the sugar in them.
Milk and Cheese have more sodium than I would care for, too.
I am not a big soda drinker, either. Or juice. I generally drink water, tea (no sugar), iced coffee (black, no sugar) and the occasional beer.
A lot of juices make me feel sick with all of the sugar in them.
Milk and Cheese have more sodium than I would care for, too.
What if Soy Milk is just regular milk introducing itself in Spanish?
Originally Posted By: AlienBug
I haven't had a glass of milk in 40 years. My daughter has never had one. The majority of people on the planet will get sick from drinking it. Milk has benefitted from the greatest marketing job of all time.
I drank milk and Yoo-Hoo when I was a kid. Then, it was only 2% in cereal.
I have since stopped eating ANY cereal, since it doesn't do anything meaningful for morning energy. I'd rather eat eggs, and maybe a protein shake. Or chicken or fish for breakfast.
Milk is a base, but its just not appealing anymore. UHT milk tastes SO bad, its like drinking cottage cheese.. And chocolate milk like Nestle CAN be good, but that milk must be consumed fast.
Its almost useless as a grown man. As a kid, its supposed to be ok (calcium and bone growth.) And they still serve milk in jail.
I haven't had a glass of milk in 40 years. My daughter has never had one. The majority of people on the planet will get sick from drinking it. Milk has benefitted from the greatest marketing job of all time.
I drank milk and Yoo-Hoo when I was a kid. Then, it was only 2% in cereal.
I have since stopped eating ANY cereal, since it doesn't do anything meaningful for morning energy. I'd rather eat eggs, and maybe a protein shake. Or chicken or fish for breakfast.
Milk is a base, but its just not appealing anymore. UHT milk tastes SO bad, its like drinking cottage cheese.. And chocolate milk like Nestle CAN be good, but that milk must be consumed fast.
Its almost useless as a grown man. As a kid, its supposed to be ok (calcium and bone growth.) And they still serve milk in jail.
Originally Posted By: VeeDubb
No single ingredient causes you to be fat. This includes fat, sugar, carbs whatever.
It really boils down to just eating unprocessed foods. Processed foods taste good and are nonsatieting so people overeat. It's as simple as that. It's not organic vs hfcs vs white sugar or even sugar at all. You can engineer processed foods that will taste great and make you overeat with salt and fat just fine.
Try eating three apples in one sitting (about 250 calories and full of sugar). It's hard. You want to stop eating after the first apple. Then try eating 250 caloreis of Doritos (no sugar). After 250 calories, you are just getting started.
For most people without metabolic disorders, just eating unprocessed foods will get them healthy and normal weight. And it doesn't even need to be complicated (no need for low carb, vegan, blood type or any other extreme diet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luhLv-bdT3E
Mike take a look at 11:11 to see the impact of each carb, protein and fats on the body are different.
No single ingredient causes you to be fat. This includes fat, sugar, carbs whatever.
It really boils down to just eating unprocessed foods. Processed foods taste good and are nonsatieting so people overeat. It's as simple as that. It's not organic vs hfcs vs white sugar or even sugar at all. You can engineer processed foods that will taste great and make you overeat with salt and fat just fine.
Try eating three apples in one sitting (about 250 calories and full of sugar). It's hard. You want to stop eating after the first apple. Then try eating 250 caloreis of Doritos (no sugar). After 250 calories, you are just getting started.
For most people without metabolic disorders, just eating unprocessed foods will get them healthy and normal weight. And it doesn't even need to be complicated (no need for low carb, vegan, blood type or any other extreme diet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luhLv-bdT3E
Mike take a look at 11:11 to see the impact of each carb, protein and fats on the body are different.
Milk in general is sugar water.
Whole milk has 11 grams of sugar per serving (1 cup).
Say a person was to have 2 glasses (average glass being 2 cups) for a meal, that would be about 44 grams of sugar. A can of Mountain Dew has 40 grams(?) of sugar per serving.
Whole milk has 11 grams of sugar per serving (1 cup).
Say a person was to have 2 glasses (average glass being 2 cups) for a meal, that would be about 44 grams of sugar. A can of Mountain Dew has 40 grams(?) of sugar per serving.
Originally Posted By: SeaJay
Sugar may be bad for you, or not depending on who you listen to.
But if you believe that sugar is in fact bad, stay away from all sugar. Substituting something like honey or fruit juice rather than regular sugar or fructose does not do much to improve your chances, it is just another form of the poison (assuming you believe that sugar = poison).
I had this phase once. Avoiding ALL sugar is just about impossible (there is sugar in just about everything, seriously. This most in reference to fruits, veggies, legumes) I find the trick is to LIMIT sugar intake, and do a sugar detox, of sorts.
That said, copious amounts of sugar does seem to be nothing but bad. Are we hummingbirds? No..
The very first thing to do, if you were so afflicted, is to at the very least stop drinking any and ALL soda, fruit juice, milk for a week. Ideally, cut out any and all fast food, too - if you can. Two or three McChickens can give the same level of fullness if accompanied with water as a whole $7-$10 range combo, if it can't be avoided. That alone will cut out useless calories. Go to store and buy a 24 or 35-pack of bottled water, or the gallons of distilled at Walmart, always 88 cents per. Use the pre-bottled, or drink at home. Get your body used to nothing but water, water, water, water. That was always a Step One for me.
Interesting about portion control being the first order of business before exercise. I like that.
And, side note, about sugar: I'd like to know how many road racers and ragers, particularly in the A.M., are on their way to, or from, a medium hot coffee with 20 sugars or a large coffee with 15 creams 15 sugars in it. I'd like to know if they are the same, that cut from the shoulder lane into traffic with no blinkers and take the morning drive like Andretti, tailgating and speeding and sometimes talking on a phone, cutting everyone off and generally driving like jackholes to those that follow normal traffic.. rules. (Such as... Signal, stop at red and most yellow lights- especially if a person is crossing the street in front of you, let traffic merge normally, don't use a phone unless its hands-free, don't tailgate, don't drive on the shoulder.. Hmmm.)
Sugar may be bad for you, or not depending on who you listen to.
But if you believe that sugar is in fact bad, stay away from all sugar. Substituting something like honey or fruit juice rather than regular sugar or fructose does not do much to improve your chances, it is just another form of the poison (assuming you believe that sugar = poison).
I had this phase once. Avoiding ALL sugar is just about impossible (there is sugar in just about everything, seriously. This most in reference to fruits, veggies, legumes) I find the trick is to LIMIT sugar intake, and do a sugar detox, of sorts.
That said, copious amounts of sugar does seem to be nothing but bad. Are we hummingbirds? No..
The very first thing to do, if you were so afflicted, is to at the very least stop drinking any and ALL soda, fruit juice, milk for a week. Ideally, cut out any and all fast food, too - if you can. Two or three McChickens can give the same level of fullness if accompanied with water as a whole $7-$10 range combo, if it can't be avoided. That alone will cut out useless calories. Go to store and buy a 24 or 35-pack of bottled water, or the gallons of distilled at Walmart, always 88 cents per. Use the pre-bottled, or drink at home. Get your body used to nothing but water, water, water, water. That was always a Step One for me.
Interesting about portion control being the first order of business before exercise. I like that.
And, side note, about sugar: I'd like to know how many road racers and ragers, particularly in the A.M., are on their way to, or from, a medium hot coffee with 20 sugars or a large coffee with 15 creams 15 sugars in it. I'd like to know if they are the same, that cut from the shoulder lane into traffic with no blinkers and take the morning drive like Andretti, tailgating and speeding and sometimes talking on a phone, cutting everyone off and generally driving like jackholes to those that follow normal traffic.. rules. (Such as... Signal, stop at red and most yellow lights- especially if a person is crossing the street in front of you, let traffic merge normally, don't use a phone unless its hands-free, don't tailgate, don't drive on the shoulder.. Hmmm.)
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Originally Posted By: VeeDubb
No single ingredient causes you to be fat. This includes fat, sugar, carbs whatever.
It really boils down to just eating unprocessed foods. Processed foods taste good and are nonsatieting so people overeat. It's as simple as that. It's not organic vs hfcs vs white sugar or even sugar at all. You can engineer processed foods that will taste great and make you overeat with salt and fat just fine.
Try eating three apples in one sitting (about 250 calories and full of sugar). It's hard. You want to stop eating after the first apple. Then try eating 250 caloreis of Doritos (no sugar). After 250 calories, you are just getting started.
For most people without metabolic disorders, just eating unprocessed foods will get them healthy and normal weight. And it doesn't even need to be complicated (no need for low carb, vegan, blood type or any other extreme diet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luhLv-bdT3E
Mike take a look at 11:11 to see the impact of each carb, protein and fats on the body are different.
Gale, been there done that. I've listened to Gary Taubes, Peter Attia, Mike Eades and Sarah Hallberg. So I know the arguments well. Aside from Attia, the rest of them are pretty ideological about low carb and treat it like a religion. It probably works well for 30% of the population. Not so great for others. When I did low carb I had very little energy for anything but sitting in a chair, headaches, muscle cramps, couldn't sleep. Thyroid downgraded, cholesterol shot up. My body was telling me something and it wasn't good.
The problem with ketosis is that it is a stress survival state. That is fine for short bursts of flight or fight situations. Not so great as a chronic state. Not a surprise that many long term low carbers have out of control cholesterol, feel cold because of low thyroid functioning, and have elevated cortisol. Of course, like I said, for 30% of the population, it probably works and if you are one of the 30%, you should keep doing it.
As for me, I am now on a 65%-70% carb diet. About 20% protein. My numbers are ideal right now and I've never had more energy. Body fat around 13% . On low carb, I stopped losing body fat at about 20% because my body was in flight or fight mode and fat storage took precedent. However, low carb was useful for going from overweight to normal weight.
For athletes and people who workout, most should not be on a low carb diet. Exercise stresses the body so you need an offset. Sugar and carbs reduce stress allowing your body to recover and deal with hard workouts much better. Lowering my LDL from 270 to 130 mostly involved adding 300 grams of carbs to my diet and eating sugar before and after workouts (cutting out saturated fat only dropped it from 270 to 210). It was ridiculously simple - no statins needed
Originally Posted By: VeeDubb
No single ingredient causes you to be fat. This includes fat, sugar, carbs whatever.
It really boils down to just eating unprocessed foods. Processed foods taste good and are nonsatieting so people overeat. It's as simple as that. It's not organic vs hfcs vs white sugar or even sugar at all. You can engineer processed foods that will taste great and make you overeat with salt and fat just fine.
Try eating three apples in one sitting (about 250 calories and full of sugar). It's hard. You want to stop eating after the first apple. Then try eating 250 caloreis of Doritos (no sugar). After 250 calories, you are just getting started.
For most people without metabolic disorders, just eating unprocessed foods will get them healthy and normal weight. And it doesn't even need to be complicated (no need for low carb, vegan, blood type or any other extreme diet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luhLv-bdT3E
Mike take a look at 11:11 to see the impact of each carb, protein and fats on the body are different.
Gale, been there done that. I've listened to Gary Taubes, Peter Attia, Mike Eades and Sarah Hallberg. So I know the arguments well. Aside from Attia, the rest of them are pretty ideological about low carb and treat it like a religion. It probably works well for 30% of the population. Not so great for others. When I did low carb I had very little energy for anything but sitting in a chair, headaches, muscle cramps, couldn't sleep. Thyroid downgraded, cholesterol shot up. My body was telling me something and it wasn't good.
The problem with ketosis is that it is a stress survival state. That is fine for short bursts of flight or fight situations. Not so great as a chronic state. Not a surprise that many long term low carbers have out of control cholesterol, feel cold because of low thyroid functioning, and have elevated cortisol. Of course, like I said, for 30% of the population, it probably works and if you are one of the 30%, you should keep doing it.
As for me, I am now on a 65%-70% carb diet. About 20% protein. My numbers are ideal right now and I've never had more energy. Body fat around 13% . On low carb, I stopped losing body fat at about 20% because my body was in flight or fight mode and fat storage took precedent. However, low carb was useful for going from overweight to normal weight.
For athletes and people who workout, most should not be on a low carb diet. Exercise stresses the body so you need an offset. Sugar and carbs reduce stress allowing your body to recover and deal with hard workouts much better. Lowering my LDL from 270 to 130 mostly involved adding 300 grams of carbs to my diet and eating sugar before and after workouts (cutting out saturated fat only dropped it from 270 to 210). It was ridiculously simple - no statins needed
Thanks Mike. LCHF should be awesome for me at age 65. A BMI of 25 (at 28 currently) would be fine as would a 20% level of body fat. I eat 2500+ calories and drifted down to 200 from 250 and have maintained at 200 for 12 months eating enough never go hungry. LCHF took away most of my joint pain, cured my 40 years of IBS and stopped all food cravings.
I was very close to the grave but seem by diet to be slowly walking it back. Due to my age I am working to keep my cholesterol at 200+ to protect from a premature death from heart disease and getting Alzheimer's. My HDL is way up and triglycerides are way down which are the only lipid markers I am concerned about in my goal to live to be 110.
I was very close to the grave but seem by diet to be slowly walking it back. Due to my age I am working to keep my cholesterol at 200+ to protect from a premature death from heart disease and getting Alzheimer's. My HDL is way up and triglycerides are way down which are the only lipid markers I am concerned about in my goal to live to be 110.
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Due to my age I am working to keep my cholesterol at 200+ to protect from a premature death from heart disease and getting Alzheimer's. My HDL is way up and triglycerides are way down which are the only lipid markers I am concerned about in my goal to live to be 110.
What is your Total Cholesterol/HDL number?
Due to my age I am working to keep my cholesterol at 200+ to protect from a premature death from heart disease and getting Alzheimer's. My HDL is way up and triglycerides are way down which are the only lipid markers I am concerned about in my goal to live to be 110.
What is your Total Cholesterol/HDL number?
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Thanks Mike. LCHF should be awesome for me at age 65. A BMI of 25 (at 28 currently) would be fine as would a 20% level of body fat. I eat 2500+ calories and drifted down to 200 from 250 and have maintained at 200 for 12 months eating enough never go hungry. LCHF took away most of my joint pain, cured my 40 years of IBS and stopped all food cravings.
I was very close to the grave but seem by diet to be slowly walking it back. Due to my age I am working to keep my cholesterol at 200+ to protect from a premature death from heart disease and getting Alzheimer's. My HDL is way up and triglycerides are way down which are the only lipid markers I am concerned about in my goal to live to be 110.
One great thing about the low carb/Paleo community is that they emphasize mostly unprocessed foods. And they avoid gluten. While I'm not sure gluten in itself matters for non-celiac people, most baked goods contain loads of [censored] like hydrogenated vegetable oils. Plus they are calorie dense while not being satiating. Cutting out baked goods is generally a good thing.
So I am not surprised that you have seen so many benefits. If your blood tests don't reveal any problems, and you feel good on low carb, then I wouldn't change a thing.
Thanks Mike. LCHF should be awesome for me at age 65. A BMI of 25 (at 28 currently) would be fine as would a 20% level of body fat. I eat 2500+ calories and drifted down to 200 from 250 and have maintained at 200 for 12 months eating enough never go hungry. LCHF took away most of my joint pain, cured my 40 years of IBS and stopped all food cravings.
I was very close to the grave but seem by diet to be slowly walking it back. Due to my age I am working to keep my cholesterol at 200+ to protect from a premature death from heart disease and getting Alzheimer's. My HDL is way up and triglycerides are way down which are the only lipid markers I am concerned about in my goal to live to be 110.
One great thing about the low carb/Paleo community is that they emphasize mostly unprocessed foods. And they avoid gluten. While I'm not sure gluten in itself matters for non-celiac people, most baked goods contain loads of [censored] like hydrogenated vegetable oils. Plus they are calorie dense while not being satiating. Cutting out baked goods is generally a good thing.
So I am not surprised that you have seen so many benefits. If your blood tests don't reveal any problems, and you feel good on low carb, then I wouldn't change a thing.
NonFat Greek Yogurt has 27 gm protein ( 3 times milk) and only 9gm. sugar.
And don't say it doesn't taste like "real" yogurt) its very thick and rich tasting.
Great alternative to milk and if you work out...27 gm. protein is nothing to sneeze at.
And don't say it doesn't taste like "real" yogurt) its very thick and rich tasting.
Great alternative to milk and if you work out...27 gm. protein is nothing to sneeze at.
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Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Due to my age I am working to keep my cholesterol at 200+ to protect from a premature death from heart disease and getting Alzheimer's. My HDL is way up and triglycerides are way down which are the only lipid markers I am concerned about in my goal to live to be 110.
What is your Total Cholesterol/HDL number?
Al I think it was 338 on the last test as it is moving back down after the spike after starting LCHF. Typically the bump is in the large particle size as shown in this video. Since total cholesterol is not predictability or disease it is a non issue if high but if low there is an increase in risk of premature death.
http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/doctors-who-say-everything-you-know-about-cholesterol-wrong
http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/side-effects
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Due to my age I am working to keep my cholesterol at 200+ to protect from a premature death from heart disease and getting Alzheimer's. My HDL is way up and triglycerides are way down which are the only lipid markers I am concerned about in my goal to live to be 110.
What is your Total Cholesterol/HDL number?
Al I think it was 338 on the last test as it is moving back down after the spike after starting LCHF. Typically the bump is in the large particle size as shown in this video. Since total cholesterol is not predictability or disease it is a non issue if high but if low there is an increase in risk of premature death.
http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/doctors-who-say-everything-you-know-about-cholesterol-wrong
http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/side-effects
Originally Posted By: VeeDubb
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Thanks Mike. LCHF should be awesome for me at age 65. A BMI of 25 (at 28 currently) would be fine as would a 20% level of body fat. I eat 2500+ calories and drifted down to 200 from 250 and have maintained at 200 for 12 months eating enough never go hungry. LCHF took away most of my joint pain, cured my 40 years of IBS and stopped all food cravings.
I was very close to the grave but seem by diet to be slowly walking it back. Due to my age I am working to keep my cholesterol at 200+ to protect from a premature death from heart disease and getting Alzheimer's. My HDL is way up and triglycerides are way down which are the only lipid markers I am concerned about in my goal to live to be 110.
One great thing about the low carb/Paleo community is that they emphasize mostly unprocessed foods. And they avoid gluten. While I'm not sure gluten in itself matters for non-celiac people, most baked goods contain loads of [censored] like hydrogenated vegetable oils. Plus they are calorie dense while not being satiating. Cutting out baked goods is generally a good thing.
So I am not surprised that you have seen so many benefits. If your blood tests don't reveal any problems, and you feel good on low carb, then I wouldn't change a thing.
The funny part I went low carb without knowing what it was. I just had a hunch if I would totally cut out sugar and all forms of all grains it would cut my joint and muscle pain which it did in a major way in just 30 days and still is doing so 18 months since I left sugar and grains cold turkey 18 months ago.
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Thanks Mike. LCHF should be awesome for me at age 65. A BMI of 25 (at 28 currently) would be fine as would a 20% level of body fat. I eat 2500+ calories and drifted down to 200 from 250 and have maintained at 200 for 12 months eating enough never go hungry. LCHF took away most of my joint pain, cured my 40 years of IBS and stopped all food cravings.
I was very close to the grave but seem by diet to be slowly walking it back. Due to my age I am working to keep my cholesterol at 200+ to protect from a premature death from heart disease and getting Alzheimer's. My HDL is way up and triglycerides are way down which are the only lipid markers I am concerned about in my goal to live to be 110.
One great thing about the low carb/Paleo community is that they emphasize mostly unprocessed foods. And they avoid gluten. While I'm not sure gluten in itself matters for non-celiac people, most baked goods contain loads of [censored] like hydrogenated vegetable oils. Plus they are calorie dense while not being satiating. Cutting out baked goods is generally a good thing.
So I am not surprised that you have seen so many benefits. If your blood tests don't reveal any problems, and you feel good on low carb, then I wouldn't change a thing.
The funny part I went low carb without knowing what it was. I just had a hunch if I would totally cut out sugar and all forms of all grains it would cut my joint and muscle pain which it did in a major way in just 30 days and still is doing so 18 months since I left sugar and grains cold turkey 18 months ago.
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Al I think it was 338 on the last test as it is moving back down after the spike after starting LCHF. Typically the bump is in the large particle size as shown in this video. Since total cholesterol is not predictability or disease it is a non issue if high but if low there is an increase in risk of premature death.
http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/doctors-who-say-everything-you-know-about-cholesterol-wrong
http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/side-effects
You can find "experts" that fight the "conventional" wisdom. Oh yea make sure you buy the guy's book. The chances of this buy right and all thej kings horses and men, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, American Heart, NIH, research colleges/medical schools bein wrong are statistically zero. There are cause and effects with Total/HDL ratios being high, as well as High Trighlycerides being high.
Your life..but to trust it to these outliers makes no sense (too me). Ido agree with low carb consumption though. To me non fat Greek youlgurt, egg whites, lots of fruits and vegetables..is where it is at. And if necessary Statins to get the Total/HDL ratios as low as possible. My ratio is not 2.5..I'll bet my money on that horse.
Al I think it was 338 on the last test as it is moving back down after the spike after starting LCHF. Typically the bump is in the large particle size as shown in this video. Since total cholesterol is not predictability or disease it is a non issue if high but if low there is an increase in risk of premature death.
http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/doctors-who-say-everything-you-know-about-cholesterol-wrong
http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/side-effects
You can find "experts" that fight the "conventional" wisdom. Oh yea make sure you buy the guy's book. The chances of this buy right and all thej kings horses and men, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, American Heart, NIH, research colleges/medical schools bein wrong are statistically zero. There are cause and effects with Total/HDL ratios being high, as well as High Trighlycerides being high.
Your life..but to trust it to these outliers makes no sense (too me). Ido agree with low carb consumption though. To me non fat Greek youlgurt, egg whites, lots of fruits and vegetables..is where it is at. And if necessary Statins to get the Total/HDL ratios as low as possible. My ratio is not 2.5..I'll bet my money on that horse.
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Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Al I think it was 338 on the last test as it is moving back down after the spike after starting LCHF. Typically the bump is in the large particle size as shown in this video. Since total cholesterol is not predictability or disease it is a non issue if high but if low there is an increase in risk of premature death.
http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/doctors-who-say-everything-you-know-about-cholesterol-wrong
http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/side-effects
You can find "experts" that fight the "conventional" wisdom. Oh yea make sure you buy the guy's book. The chances of this buy right and all thej kings horses and men, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, American Heart, NIH, research colleges/medical schools bein wrong are statistically zero. There are cause and effects with Total/HDL ratios being high, as well as High Trighlycerides being high.
Your life..but to trust it to these outliers makes no sense (too me). Ido agree with low carb consumption though. To me non fat Greek youlgurt, egg whites, lots of fruits and vegetables..is where it is at. And if necessary Statins to get the Total/HDL ratios as low as possible. My ratio is not 2.5..I'll bet my money on that horse.
http://www.functionalmedicineuniversity.com/public/796.cfm
Al it turned out my numbers turned out great. Total cholesterol was 310, LDL = 228, HDL = 72 and Triglycerides = 52
When plugged into the formulas in the link above I get a good 0.232 on the Total/HDL one and a super 0.72 Triglycerides/HDL were
I an not sure why anyone would buy books being sold on TV and I do not use doctors when math this simple is involved.
Since I am over 60 there is no case when statins would be indicated for me. At total cholesterol of
Here is another how to compute lipid health site.
http://www.foreverhealth.com/blood-tests/how-to-understand-a-lipid-panel/
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Al I think it was 338 on the last test as it is moving back down after the spike after starting LCHF. Typically the bump is in the large particle size as shown in this video. Since total cholesterol is not predictability or disease it is a non issue if high but if low there is an increase in risk of premature death.
http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/doctors-who-say-everything-you-know-about-cholesterol-wrong
http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/side-effects
You can find "experts" that fight the "conventional" wisdom. Oh yea make sure you buy the guy's book. The chances of this buy right and all thej kings horses and men, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, American Heart, NIH, research colleges/medical schools bein wrong are statistically zero. There are cause and effects with Total/HDL ratios being high, as well as High Trighlycerides being high.
Your life..but to trust it to these outliers makes no sense (too me). Ido agree with low carb consumption though. To me non fat Greek youlgurt, egg whites, lots of fruits and vegetables..is where it is at. And if necessary Statins to get the Total/HDL ratios as low as possible. My ratio is not 2.5..I'll bet my money on that horse.
http://www.functionalmedicineuniversity.com/public/796.cfm
Al it turned out my numbers turned out great. Total cholesterol was 310, LDL = 228, HDL = 72 and Triglycerides = 52
When plugged into the formulas in the link above I get a good 0.232 on the Total/HDL one and a super 0.72 Triglycerides/HDL were
I an not sure why anyone would buy books being sold on TV and I do not use doctors when math this simple is involved.
Since I am over 60 there is no case when statins would be indicated for me. At total cholesterol of
Here is another how to compute lipid health site.
http://www.foreverhealth.com/blood-tests/how-to-understand-a-lipid-panel/
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
Al it turned out my numbers turned out great. Total cholesterol was 310, LDL = 228, HDL = 72 and Triglycerides = 52
Well your triglycerids are great, but your LDL and Total jare bad. Your LDL is off the chart terrible.
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When plugged into the formulas in the link above I get a good 0.232 on the Total/HDL one and a super 0.72
No you total/HDL is 310/72 =4.3 it should be 3.5 or less your HDL/Total is .23 it should be .28 or higher.
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I do not use doctors when math this simple is involved.
Unfortunately your math is wrong
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That is totally incorrect. HDL is the important number along with Total/HDL The guidelines accepted by everyone of any relevance is that anyone between the ages of 40 to 75 should take statins if their 10 year risk of stroke or coronary is > 7.5% Statistics and science are not perfect. But you only have one life. Use your head and stretch it as far as you can. If you take my advice I probably saved your life. Hey, I tried
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Here is another how to compute lipid health site.
http://www.foreverhealth.com/blood-tests/how-to-understand-a-lipid-panel/
I plugged your numbers in there and you fail.
Al it turned out my numbers turned out great. Total cholesterol was 310, LDL = 228, HDL = 72 and Triglycerides = 52
Well your triglycerids are great, but your LDL and Total jare bad. Your LDL is off the chart terrible.
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When plugged into the formulas in the link above I get a good 0.232 on the Total/HDL one and a super 0.72
No you total/HDL is 310/72 =4.3 it should be 3.5 or less your HDL/Total is .23 it should be .28 or higher.
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yes that's fine
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I do not use doctors when math this simple is involved.
Unfortunately your math is wrong
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Since I am over 60 there is no case when statins would be indicated for me. At total cholesterol of div>
That is totally incorrect. HDL is the important number along with Total/HDL The guidelines accepted by everyone of any relevance is that anyone between the ages of 40 to 75 should take statins if their 10 year risk of stroke or coronary is > 7.5% Statistics and science are not perfect. But you only have one life. Use your head and stretch it as far as you can. If you take my advice I probably saved your life. Hey, I tried
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Here is another how to compute lipid health site.
http://www.foreverhealth.com/blood-tests/how-to-understand-a-lipid-panel/
I plugged your numbers in there and you fail.
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I have to agree with Al, Gale. You should be concerned about your LDL. It is quite high.
If you don't trust conventional doctors, you can read the stuff written by Paul Jaminet, Peter Attia, or Richard Nolkey, all former low carbers who know the particle size argument very well. Now they advise people to be concerned if LDL>160.
I tend to agree that LDL is not causal. But it does indicate that something is not right like a canary in the coal mine.
If you don't trust conventional doctors, you can read the stuff written by Paul Jaminet, Peter Attia, or Richard Nolkey, all former low carbers who know the particle size argument very well. Now they advise people to be concerned if LDL>160.
I tend to agree that LDL is not causal. But it does indicate that something is not right like a canary in the coal mine.
I'll listen to Al's advice here as he is very knowledgeable on this stuff
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I'll listen to Al's advice here as he is very knowledgeable on this stuff
You are one of the few...lol
I'll listen to Al's advice here as he is very knowledgeable on this stuff
You are one of the few...lol
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