FWIW...I purchased a 3/4 Ram work van new. It was the last year they made them. It was super reliable. Never needed anything but a set of spark plugs and an idler pulley that locked up. It lived a hard life. Often overloaded and run pretty hard. Not overly maintained and did one transmission fluid service on it. It was totaled at about 134K. I think that truck could have gone close to 200K. Certainly less problematic than the current fleet of Ford Transits in service.
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Be careful, the mob here might track you down.
My 2019 RAM Classic has been perfect!
That was it.
The leaning tower of power.
He must have had the one dud. Those seemed to run forever. Until you ran through a mud puddle in the rain.
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Here is CRs overall rankings based on road test, reliability and owner satisfaction from this February.
Every manufacturer has good and bad models and good or bad years. That's the benefit of this data when buying used.
Even the hallowed Toyota had sticky ring oil burning years that no one on this board will admit to.
I do see from your chart that my 2002 was well below average, which matched my experience. Still liked it
Check out this chart for the Nissan Frontier. Most here bash Nissan just as much as Stelantis and H/K - but check out this chart. My 2011 Fronty has 178,000 miles so far and matches this chart. My 2008 Xterra was similar - now approaching 400K.
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The RAM chart is pretty good too, with the exception of 2013, lol:Every manufacturer has good and bad models and good or bad years. That's the benefit of this data when buying used.
Even the hallowed Toyota had sticky ring oil burning years that no one on this board will admit to.
I do see from your chart that my 2002 was well below average, which matched my experience. Still liked it
Check out this chart for the Nissan Frontier. Most here bash Nissan just as much as Stelantis and H/K - but check out this chart. My 2011 Fronty has 178,000 miles so far and matches this chart. My 2008 Xterra was similar - now approaching 400K.
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Between my parents, myself, and my brother we’ve owned 13 various Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram vehicles. Of those, 2 had issues… a 2002 Grand Caravan (some computer module failed and all the exterior lights were freaking/looked like a cop driving down the road) that my parents had bought and my 2011 Durango (it wanted a $1,000 repair once a year) I got in 2014.
And of those 13, 4 were bought new (2004 Grand Caravan, 2007 Caliber, 2018 Charger, 2019 Ram 1500), the rest were used vehicles (2002 Grand Caravan, 2013 Chrysler 200, 2018 Grand Caravan, 2016 300, 2012 Caliber, 2012 Dart, 2011 Durango, 2019 Cherokee, 2011 Durango). Everything else just worked with nothing more than oil changes till they started hitting 150k miles or higher, and then it was something simple like a crank position sensor or idler pulley.
And of those 13, 4 were bought new (2004 Grand Caravan, 2007 Caliber, 2018 Charger, 2019 Ram 1500), the rest were used vehicles (2002 Grand Caravan, 2013 Chrysler 200, 2018 Grand Caravan, 2016 300, 2012 Caliber, 2012 Dart, 2011 Durango, 2019 Cherokee, 2011 Durango). Everything else just worked with nothing more than oil changes till they started hitting 150k miles or higher, and then it was something simple like a crank position sensor or idler pulley.
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Wow!.....Hyundai and Toyota in the same bed. And Kia beat the Toyota and the VW by a wide margin.
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No pickup trucks made today are worth what they charge for them to me. You would think in this day and age, they would all get better fuel economy, than a truck made 20 years ago, But they don't. And all this engine "Upgrades" would make them truly bulletproof, But they're not. You shouldn't had to baby a truck to get 100k miles out of it, But you do. Each mfgr has it's own set of gremlins they refuse to correct. But as long as your willing to pay for it, they will fix them all day long. Now if these vehicle cost between 20-25 k, you could justify the expense. But when new they will be north of 50k, even a 10 year old truck with over 100k miles on it will set you back more than you would ever think. And is right in the "everything is gonna fail part of it's life". Repairs over $5000 are not uncommon. And Rams are not known to hold their value as well as Chevy;s or Fords.,,
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Used pricing can be all over the map and is not indicative of quality. Unless you want to admit that a Jeep Wrangler is higher quality than a Tacoma because the depreciation on a Wrangler is lower than a Tacoma.
https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/art...r-old-vehicles-retain-the-most-value-in-2022/
Rams have traditionally been the cheapest to purchase, by far. Not in terms of MSRP, but in terms of money on the hood when you tried to strike a deal, Ram has always been the value purchase. Used pricing reflects that. As of a year or two this has changed and Rams are now just as pricey or worse than the others. It's going to bite them hard IMHO.
Getting a "Good" deal on a cheap vehicle, then having to spend half of what your "Deal" cost for repairs you shouldn't have to do, is no deal in anybody's book. Having a bulb that for some reason blows out alot, or having an annoying rattle or squeak, isn't going to cost hardly anything to repair. But when head gaskets fails, or your timing chains stretch to the point it bends a valve when it contacts a piston, or exhaust manifold bolts break, it's not isn't a minor annoyance. It's an expensive repair. When you have to take out a mortgage to have a vehicle repair done, while still paying for that expensive vehicle, you can't help but ask yourself, what is the real cost of owning this vehicle.,,,
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I really loved my 2017 and 2019 Ram 1500 pickups and had basically no issues with them, but I only owned each until about 70K miles.
I don't think I missed it in this thread, but one thing about Stellantis vehicles of today that comes to mind is all the individualized subscription services that need to be purchased for them to do pretty much any computerized diag and programming for them. Shops at a minimum have to buy a "day pass" for lack of better terms to plug into them for many things. I know this is a thing today for lots of make/models, but I think for a "domestic", they're ahead of the game on this.
I don't think I missed it in this thread, but one thing about Stellantis vehicles of today that comes to mind is all the individualized subscription services that need to be purchased for them to do pretty much any computerized diag and programming for them. Shops at a minimum have to buy a "day pass" for lack of better terms to plug into them for many things. I know this is a thing today for lots of make/models, but I think for a "domestic", they're ahead of the game on this.
We've owned mostly Fords for the past 40 years or so. Always had an F-150 or F-250, a Ranger or two, and Focus, Grand Marquis, Escape, Fusion. The kids ran Honda CIVICs, a Neon (junk) ,a Plymouth Spirit (also junk), a couple of Focus, and a Toyota Corolla. Mostly all bought brand new, and traded off before 100,000 miles.
Two issues: A rust issue on an Escape (covered under warranty) and a sway bar bushing on another Escape,. My Son's 3.5L Ecoboost got the cam phaser fix under warranty.
The Neon and the Spirit were both very problematic.
Just traded off a 2018 2.7L Ecoboost F-150 @95,000. New Tires at 78.000, turned the rear rotors and replaced rear brake pads. That's it.
After reading all of those reliability charts, I feel very lucky !
Two issues: A rust issue on an Escape (covered under warranty) and a sway bar bushing on another Escape,. My Son's 3.5L Ecoboost got the cam phaser fix under warranty.
The Neon and the Spirit were both very problematic.
Just traded off a 2018 2.7L Ecoboost F-150 @95,000. New Tires at 78.000, turned the rear rotors and replaced rear brake pads. That's it.
After reading all of those reliability charts, I feel very lucky !
I am careful about these type of threads. You run into quite a bit of herd mentality. There is also the trait to forgive and forget issues with products that you have decided are the "Best" and confirmation bias muddies the water of any objective reason. Even supposedly objective measurements can be skewed in many surveys. How many folks have gone and bought aftermarket transmissions from ATS for one of their Big 3 diesel pickups. The stock unit wouldn't hold up to normal use in many cases and rarely with chipped trucks. Even so, the bias for their preferred brand and the disregard/apathy/hatred of other brands does skew surveys and opinion polls even after spending thousands of dollars on an essentially new truck. I know individuals that are so brand loyal they won't consider their own negative experience even if detrimental to their pocketbook. My Grandpappy, My Daddy and everyone in my family ONLY buys...whatever ,and I have nothing but contempt for anything not my brand.
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That's all true but has nothing to do with Ram's depreciation which was my point. Ram doesn't have anymore issues vs Ford or GM trucks. Heck, some of the issues are identical because apparently they use the same parts supplier (cough: rear window leak in Ram/GM trucks)
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