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Stellantis negative sentiment
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and your handle is GMBoy? Stealth? Counter Intelligence?
I own more GM vehicles than other makes...and they don't make comparable vehicles to Jeep and the Rams are better trucks IMO.....I am open mindedand your handle is GMBoy? Stealth? Counter Intelligence?
. I am also thinking about changing my screen name since I severed ties with GM having retired.Where have you been? Tons of "good investments"
Jeep historically carries whatever parent company that exists since the 50’s. It’s the value inside the current brand…..Every brand has negative sentiment, lovers and haters, no big deal. I have two Jeeps and planning on buying a third. I might sell one off, and I might not.
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Seems mainly from two models - both on the expensive end …
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Ten pages in, and it seems most folks have yet to grasp that Stellantis is not FCA; rather, Stellantis owns FCA, just as it owns PSA. The merger was structured as a pyramid, ensuring that no single brand or company could bring down the entire entity. Stellantis is a new entity created to own all the other brands. However, when the merger occurred, FCA wasn't dismantled into its individual companies; instead, it was taken "private," with Stellantis emerging as the owner. Consequently, Stellantis is listed on the stock exchange, not FCA.
Stellantis is involved in designing, manufacturing, and selling automobiles under its 14 brands: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, and Vauxhall.
The founding principle behind Stellantis emphasized platform and resource sharing. However, the current leadership at Stellantis seems to have a partial understanding of the North American market. They are also confronted with the challenge of outdated "large vehicle platforms" in the FCA portfolio, which are beyond modernization and thus must be phased out. Many of these platforms date back to the Daimler-Chrysler era. Vehicles like the Jeep GC WK2 (discontinued), Dodge Durango, Charger, and Challenger struggle to meet safety crash test standards. In fact, small and mid-size Hyundai & Kia sedans and SUVs outperform these vehicles significantly in crash test ratings and safety technology. And no, features such as lane keep assist, collision warning, and lane change warning do not constitute the advanced safety technology that can definitively save lives.
Stellantis is involved in designing, manufacturing, and selling automobiles under its 14 brands: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, and Vauxhall.
The founding principle behind Stellantis emphasized platform and resource sharing. However, the current leadership at Stellantis seems to have a partial understanding of the North American market. They are also confronted with the challenge of outdated "large vehicle platforms" in the FCA portfolio, which are beyond modernization and thus must be phased out. Many of these platforms date back to the Daimler-Chrysler era. Vehicles like the Jeep GC WK2 (discontinued), Dodge Durango, Charger, and Challenger struggle to meet safety crash test standards. In fact, small and mid-size Hyundai & Kia sedans and SUVs outperform these vehicles significantly in crash test ratings and safety technology. And no, features such as lane keep assist, collision warning, and lane change warning do not constitute the advanced safety technology that can definitively save lives.
The thing that strikes me about this thread is an individualistic definition of "quality" vs "reliability."
You could build a house that is way out of square, has leaning walls, no interior finish work like paint or trim, etc. You live in the house your entire life and it effectively functions as a domicile. Thus you can say "I've had no problems."
Is this then a quality house? Some would say yes, some would say no.
If I'm paying for a large-scale production, professional product, I expect a certain level of craftsmanship-- or at the very least a minor "we-actually-give-a-dam*" attitude. I don't see that in the construction of my JL, but again, I expected it so it serves only to amuse me
You could build a house that is way out of square, has leaning walls, no interior finish work like paint or trim, etc. You live in the house your entire life and it effectively functions as a domicile. Thus you can say "I've had no problems."
Is this then a quality house? Some would say yes, some would say no.
If I'm paying for a large-scale production, professional product, I expect a certain level of craftsmanship-- or at the very least a minor "we-actually-give-a-dam*" attitude. I don't see that in the construction of my JL, but again, I expected it so it serves only to amuse me
When I'm planning to run into a tree or a brick wall I definitely choose to drive a Hyundai or Kia over an FCA product.
And if I can't keep my car in its proper lane I find a designated driver.
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Haven't needed to bypass or pay a third party to have full diagnostic access to a GM vehicle.
new platforms have unbypassable sgw in the bcm
if they win in court the other guys are gonna hop on this money printer. if you’re a shop you’re paying up
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I doubt you understood the meaning of my comment. FCA installed commonly available electronic nannies in vehicles that were designed twenty-some years ago. The underpinnings are outdated, and they never bothered to update them. The electronic nannies will not make up for FCA's lack of investment in their own platforms.
Meanwhile, Hyundai & KIA, two companies that are not very well regarded here, managed to build small and medium sized sedans and SUVs over a decade ago that can pass North American and European crash tests with flying colors, earning them five stars for just about every vehicle they make.
The fact that a vehicle of this size and mass can't get a five-star rating is very telling:
Here's how poorly the Jeep GC WK2 does:
Dodge Durango - three and four stars:
The Dodge Challenger:
Also, a good video on how abysmal the Dodge Charger safety is:
But maybe people aren't buying these vehicles for their safety. Though, I can't imagine why anyone would drive around in a 5000+ lbs. gas guzzler if it can't even save their life when they're involved in a crash at around 50 MPH.
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I was more referring to hassles such as Global A modules etc that cannot be used on different vehicles and reflashed, you have to buy a new module when doing say a used transmission replacement. The GM gateway is not locked down like steallantis yet. My mind was all over the place that day I posted. I remember when we lauched K2xx (I was on the electrical launch team) the initial plan was to roll out security measures like FCA/Stellantis but it was to be delayed until T1xx. Then when we launced T1xx that was not in the works but was planned for a 2025-26 model year enhancement.
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No, not at all. I would as well. You missed the point though.
One problem with CR reliability surveys is the self-reporting factor. Sometimes the issues can be traced back to a totally incompetent dealer. Another issue is that at times the problem is actually user error. When I worked as a product specialist at BMW I was often called to the service lanes for exactly that issue. I was once asked to check why a client’s HUD wasn’t working; the solution was simple- her wasn’t equipped with a HUD.
I hate it when that happens!
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Reminds me of the one poster here who thought he was buying a 4x4 truck and got 2WD instead.
I remember when the Hummer H2 had terrible ratings on JD Power. The biggest factor that hurt the score was the poor fuel economy and people complained about that even knowing the truck was not made for MPG's.
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