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And yes, this oil is quite dark for the mileage on it, which is about 5,000Km, or less than HALF my normal OCI.
I did NOT change the oil BTW.
I did NOT change the oil BTW.
Start-up noise...... Switching filters to test.
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The color of th oil really has no meaning
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
If the filter is mounted horizontally, the oil cannot drain out unless it can defy gravity and get sucked up and out.
In this configuaration any filter (with or without anti-drain back) is going to work the same.
Anti-drain back is designed to work when the car is off, not on. It keeps the oil from drainingou of the galleries and back to the pan
ADBVs are beneficial in filters mounted vertically and horizontally. Doesn't matter the orientation. Even in vertical-mounted filters, head pressure above the filter can force oil back down, and the filter can actually siphon itself dry.
I had a Nissan truck back in the day, and if you didn't use a filter with a good ADBV, you'd get a lot of noise on start-up. And yes, the filter mounted in the conventional vertical position.
If the filter is mounted horizontally, the oil cannot drain out unless it can defy gravity and get sucked up and out.
In this configuaration any filter (with or without anti-drain back) is going to work the same.
Anti-drain back is designed to work when the car is off, not on. It keeps the oil from drainingou of the galleries and back to the pan
ADBVs are beneficial in filters mounted vertically and horizontally. Doesn't matter the orientation. Even in vertical-mounted filters, head pressure above the filter can force oil back down, and the filter can actually siphon itself dry.
I had a Nissan truck back in the day, and if you didn't use a filter with a good ADBV, you'd get a lot of noise on start-up. And yes, the filter mounted in the conventional vertical position.
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
If the filter is mounted horizontally, the oil cannot drain out unless it can defy gravity and get sucked up and out.
In this configuaration any filter (with or without anti-drain back) is going to work the same.
Anti-drain back is designed to work when the car is off, not on. It keeps the oil from drainingou of the galleries and back to the pan
It doesnt matter what the orientation is. If there is no ADBV the oil will drain freely back out of the galleries and into the pan. I am not discussing keeping the filter can full, but the galleries full. The oil will drain back eventually even with an ADBV also since the system is open at the crank oiling, but the surface tension is high and clearances are tight so this may take more than a couple days in moderate weather.
If the filter is mounted horizontally, the oil cannot drain out unless it can defy gravity and get sucked up and out.
In this configuaration any filter (with or without anti-drain back) is going to work the same.
Anti-drain back is designed to work when the car is off, not on. It keeps the oil from drainingou of the galleries and back to the pan
It doesnt matter what the orientation is. If there is no ADBV the oil will drain freely back out of the galleries and into the pan. I am not discussing keeping the filter can full, but the galleries full. The oil will drain back eventually even with an ADBV also since the system is open at the crank oiling, but the surface tension is high and clearances are tight so this may take more than a couple days in moderate weather.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
So, I think I may have found the issue.
ADBV FAIL.
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There wasn't a whole lot left in that can...........
That doesnt tell you anything. You would know about the adbv fail when you removed the filter. Did you notice how much oil drained out of the galleries when the filter was removed? much less than normal? You may be having a M1 cleanup + high efficieny filter oil pressure issue. Ive seen it many times. Is the stratapore a high efficiency filter?
So, I think I may have found the issue.
ADBV FAIL.
... ....
There wasn't a whole lot left in that can...........
That doesnt tell you anything. You would know about the adbv fail when you removed the filter. Did you notice how much oil drained out of the galleries when the filter was removed? much less than normal? You may be having a M1 cleanup + high efficieny filter oil pressure issue. Ive seen it many times. Is the stratapore a high efficiency filter?
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
If the filter is mounted horizontally, the oil cannot drain out unless it can defy gravity and get sucked up and out.
In this configuaration any filter (with or without anti-drain back) is going to work the same.
Anti-drain back is designed to work when the car is off, not on. It keeps the oil from drainingou of the galleries and back to the pan
It doesnt matter what the orientation is. If there is no ADBV the oil will drain freely back out of the galleries and into the pan. I am not discussing keeping the filter can full, but the galleries full. The oil will drain back eventually even with an ADBV also since the system is open at the crank oiling, but the surface tension is high and clearances are tight so this may take more than a couple days in moderate weather.
Are you talking about The Nitrile rubber diaphragm or a spring loaded ADBV in the filter?
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
If the filter is mounted horizontally, the oil cannot drain out unless it can defy gravity and get sucked up and out.
In this configuaration any filter (with or without anti-drain back) is going to work the same.
Anti-drain back is designed to work when the car is off, not on. It keeps the oil from drainingou of the galleries and back to the pan
It doesnt matter what the orientation is. If there is no ADBV the oil will drain freely back out of the galleries and into the pan. I am not discussing keeping the filter can full, but the galleries full. The oil will drain back eventually even with an ADBV also since the system is open at the crank oiling, but the surface tension is high and clearances are tight so this may take more than a couple days in moderate weather.
Are you talking about The Nitrile rubber diaphragm or a spring loaded ADBV in the filter?
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
So, I think I may have found the issue.
ADBV FAIL.
... ....
There wasn't a whole lot left in that can...........
That doesnt tell you anything. You would know about the adbv fail when you removed the filter. Did you notice how much oil drained out of the galleries when the filter was removed? much less than normal? You may be having a M1 cleanup + high efficieny filter oil pressure issue. Ive seen it many times. Is the stratapore a high efficiency filter?
Very little oil came out of the engine when I removed the filter. It normally puts out a massive shower.
This morning, I only had noise for a couple of SECONDS (vs the previous 2 minutes), I was out of the driveway and it was gone. Massive improvement!
And yes, the Stratapore media is very high efficiency, but this is my 3rd one and the first to do this.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
So, I think I may have found the issue.
ADBV FAIL.
... ....
There wasn't a whole lot left in that can...........
That doesnt tell you anything. You would know about the adbv fail when you removed the filter. Did you notice how much oil drained out of the galleries when the filter was removed? much less than normal? You may be having a M1 cleanup + high efficieny filter oil pressure issue. Ive seen it many times. Is the stratapore a high efficiency filter?
Very little oil came out of the engine when I removed the filter. It normally puts out a massive shower.
This morning, I only had noise for a couple of SECONDS (vs the previous 2 minutes), I was out of the driveway and it was gone. Massive improvement!
And yes, the Stratapore media is very high efficiency, but this is my 3rd one and the first to do this.
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Originally Posted By: Bluestream
The color of th oil really has no meaning
I'm well aware of that. Just thought it was worth mentioning, since my previous 5w40 runs were cleaner LOOKING than this at 12,000Km.
The color of th oil really has no meaning
I'm well aware of that. Just thought it was worth mentioning, since my previous 5w40 runs were cleaner LOOKING than this at 12,000Km.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Y_K
How much was yours? I buy at WM at $3.67
$6.00, which is cheap for up here. My Fleetguard filters are almost 16 bucks. AMSOIL ones are 20. K&N's are 18. PureONE's are 18.
Why are filters and oil so much more expensive in Canada and drugs are so much cheaper?
Originally Posted By: Y_K
How much was yours? I buy at WM at $3.67
$6.00, which is cheap for up here. My Fleetguard filters are almost 16 bucks. AMSOIL ones are 20. K&N's are 18. PureONE's are 18.
Why are filters and oil so much more expensive in Canada and drugs are so much cheaper?
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Originally Posted By: Zedhed
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Y_K
How much was yours? I buy at WM at $3.67
$6.00, which is cheap for up here. My Fleetguard filters are almost 16 bucks. AMSOIL ones are 20. K&N's are 18. PureONE's are 18.
Why are filters and oil so much more expensive in Canada and drugs are so much cheaper?
Just the way it is I guess
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Y_K
How much was yours? I buy at WM at $3.67
$6.00, which is cheap for up here. My Fleetguard filters are almost 16 bucks. AMSOIL ones are 20. K&N's are 18. PureONE's are 18.
Why are filters and oil so much more expensive in Canada and drugs are so much cheaper?
Just the way it is I guess
I will say for that milage that oil is lookin pretty dark. I know color doesnt mean much but when you use the same product and have done enough OC's you know what it should look like. Good observation Overkill. I hope you dont have something else going on
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Originally Posted By: DieselTech
I will say for that milage that oil is lookin pretty dark. I know color doesnt mean much but when you use the same product and have done enough OC's you know what it should look like. Good observation Overkill. I hope you dont have something else going on
All consecutive starts today have had ZERO noise. So I'm thinking it was the filter. You think the timing chain tensioner was bleeding down perhaps? The noise was not a knock or anything, more of a light "rap" like something thwacking.
And yes, this is the darkest oil that has ever come out of this engine since I dumped the dealer fill around 150,000Km. And this oil has far less mileage than ANY of those OCI's.
I'm wondering if this, the noise, and the run of 0w40 are related..... It has a pretty high dose of "euro OCI" stuff in it... And could be removing/losening/dislodging all kinds of junk. Some of which may have been affecting the operation of the ADBV on the filter. As there was nothing visibly wrong with the valve itself, or its sealing surface. And the noise is recent. It did NOT do it earlier in this OCI.
I will say for that milage that oil is lookin pretty dark. I know color doesnt mean much but when you use the same product and have done enough OC's you know what it should look like. Good observation Overkill. I hope you dont have something else going on
All consecutive starts today have had ZERO noise. So I'm thinking it was the filter. You think the timing chain tensioner was bleeding down perhaps? The noise was not a knock or anything, more of a light "rap" like something thwacking.
And yes, this is the darkest oil that has ever come out of this engine since I dumped the dealer fill around 150,000Km. And this oil has far less mileage than ANY of those OCI's.
I'm wondering if this, the noise, and the run of 0w40 are related..... It has a pretty high dose of "euro OCI" stuff in it... And could be removing/losening/dislodging all kinds of junk. Some of which may have been affecting the operation of the ADBV on the filter. As there was nothing visibly wrong with the valve itself, or its sealing surface. And the noise is recent. It did NOT do it earlier in this OCI.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: DieselTech
I will say for that milage that oil is lookin pretty dark. I know color doesnt mean much but when you use the same product and have done enough OC's you know what it should look like. Good observation Overkill. I hope you dont have something else going on
All consecutive starts today have had ZERO noise. So I'm thinking it was the filter. You think the timing chain tensioner was bleeding down perhaps? The noise was not a knock or anything, more of a light "rap" like something thwacking.
Thats what it's sounding like to me. That really sucks because the stratapores are great filters. I guess i'll stick with my Bosch for now. I have had no startup noise since using them to.
Keep us posted
The new oil could be freeing stuff up. I thought you were using this product all along? That makes sense to me now
Originally Posted By: DieselTech
I will say for that milage that oil is lookin pretty dark. I know color doesnt mean much but when you use the same product and have done enough OC's you know what it should look like. Good observation Overkill. I hope you dont have something else going on
All consecutive starts today have had ZERO noise. So I'm thinking it was the filter. You think the timing chain tensioner was bleeding down perhaps? The noise was not a knock or anything, more of a light "rap" like something thwacking.
Thats what it's sounding like to me. That really sucks because the stratapores are great filters. I guess i'll stick with my Bosch for now. I have had no startup noise since using them to.
Keep us posted
The new oil could be freeing stuff up. I thought you were using this product all along? That makes sense to me now
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The filter didnt look to dirty though is there in junk inbetween the pleats that we cant see in the pics?
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I will. The other problem is that it is very hard to gauge the degree of contamination with this (Stratapore) media; it is so dense that it makes it hard to determine how "full" it is.
With my previous Motorcraft run, the junk that was being dislodged was readily visible within the pleats of the filter. We'll see how this one looks in another 7,000Km. As that's when I'm up for a change.
With my previous Motorcraft run, the junk that was being dislodged was readily visible within the pleats of the filter. We'll see how this one looks in another 7,000Km. As that's when I'm up for a change.
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Originally Posted By: DieselTech
The filter didnt look to dirty though is there in junk inbetween the pleats that we cant see in the pics?
The media is pitch black below the surface. It is like fibreglass, and the junk gets caught "inside" it.
The filter didnt look to dirty though is there in junk inbetween the pleats that we cant see in the pics?
The media is pitch black below the surface. It is like fibreglass, and the junk gets caught "inside" it.
I now see where you posted this was the first use of 0-40 in this engine. I bet your right on with dislodging junk. Makes good sense to me all the way around now.
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Originally Posted By: DieselTech
The new oil could be freeing stuff up. I thought you were using this product all along? That makes sense to me now
Nope! LOL!
OCI history with this truck is as follows:
#1. 153,069Km: Mobil 1 5w20 w/Motorcraft FL-820S
#2. 162,022Km: Mobil 1 5w40 w/Stratapore
#3. 174,071Km: Mobil 1 5w40 w/Stratapore
#4. 186,686Km: Mobil 1 0w40 w/Stratapore
I am currently at 191,000Km.
The new oil could be freeing stuff up. I thought you were using this product all along? That makes sense to me now
Nope! LOL!
OCI history with this truck is as follows:
#1. 153,069Km: Mobil 1 5w20 w/Motorcraft FL-820S
#2. 162,022Km: Mobil 1 5w40 w/Stratapore
#3. 174,071Km: Mobil 1 5w40 w/Stratapore
#4. 186,686Km: Mobil 1 0w40 w/Stratapore
I am currently at 191,000Km.
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Originally Posted By: DieselTech
I now see where you posted this was the first use of 0-40 in this engine. I bet your right on with dislodging junk. Makes good sense to me all the way around now.
Indeed. Doug had recommended the 0w40, but had said that the 5w40 would work well too. I had the 5w40 on-hand, so that's what I ran. So, I decided to switch to Doug's recommendation on this last OCI. I still have 18L of Delvac 1 on-hand, but I'm going to use that in the Mustang/Capri and stick with the 0w40 for this vehicle.
I now see where you posted this was the first use of 0-40 in this engine. I bet your right on with dislodging junk. Makes good sense to me all the way around now.
Indeed. Doug had recommended the 0w40, but had said that the 5w40 would work well too. I had the 5w40 on-hand, so that's what I ran. So, I decided to switch to Doug's recommendation on this last OCI. I still have 18L of Delvac 1 on-hand, but I'm going to use that in the Mustang/Capri and stick with the 0w40 for this vehicle.
With all of that M1 in there I just cant see now how theres that much cleaning going on. Heck I dont know
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