Sold my P-09...now what?

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I sold my CZ P-09 on Sunday. It was a fine shooter and never failed on me, but I didn't particularly care for the trigger (I have found that I like striker fired triggers) and my wife wasn't terribly proficient with it, with her small hands and the small amount of real estate on that slide to grab (CZ insets their slides into the frame). So the hunt is on for a replacement.

I looked at a used Springfield XD-M at a local gun shop for $499. It looked to have a lot of wear on the outside of the barrel and, honestly, I wasn't keen on the rear plastic slide rails. I'm sure it works...I just wasn't keen on that. It also didn't seem to break down very smooth.

They had new Smith & Wesson M&Ps for $499. The 9mm they had had the thumb safety, so I'd have to have them order one without. I like everything about the M&P except possibly for the jointed trigger. The full size and compact M&Ps use a different jointed trigger than the Shield. I love our Shield...its jointed trigger isn't quite as curved. The exaggerated curve of the full size's trigger can pinch my finger when I use only the pad of my finger. I think it's better if I use my first knuckle joint, but I'd have to re-confirm that.

They also had new Glocks for $509. They had a 3rd gen 17 and a duo tone 19. Wasn't sure of the gen on the 19. I've looked and can't tell for sure...are the nickle finish Glocks truly factory finishes, or are they an aftermarket finish? This 19 had a silver nickel finish on the slide and a stainless (or at least polished) barrel.

I'm leaning towards the M&P...it seems to have a high quality feel both inside and out. I know that Glocks are usually dead reliable, but man, they just don't feel very high quality. I prefer the Glock trigger feel, but I'm not sure I can get passed the extra plasticky feel of the gun. The internals looked very inexpensive. But objectively, I know that they work.

Oh, decisions...
 
What do you intend on using it for? Recreation shooting, concealed carry,
etc,? What calibre do you prefer? Sounds like 9mm, and that's prob a good choice
since 9mm is more available than some others.

I have two Kahr's; one, the P45 (45acp), is accurate enough for range shooting and
and small enough for CC. The other is a CW380, very small "pocket" gun but I carry
it in an OWB holster, which oddly enough, fits all my carry guns. Another carry gun for me is the LC9s, 9mm, similar to the Shield
in size and function. Short smooth trigger pull. The Kahrs have a fairly long
trigger travel but are extremely smooth.

Theres a show coming up in Hickory this weekend where you can see and fondle all sorts.
Good luck on your choice.
 
Recreational shooting (I'd like to compete, but can't really afford that at the moment), bed-side duty, etc. I have a Shield for concealed carry that I just adore...so that alone colors my view towards Smith & Wesson. And there are plenty of aftermarket options for M&P trigger parts...I'm just trying to keep my options open.

I do not mind a long trigger pull. My other carry piece is a mouse-sized Kel-Tec P-32. Long, but smooth, trigger on that one. I actually also like the trigger on Smith's SD9VE. It's a long smooth trigger with a pretty crisp break (but no stiff wall to pull through). I really want to like the SD9VE, but I don't care for the shiny plastic finish on the frame, and the slide pull feels gritty to me. Maybe it'd smooth out quite a bit after some break-in. The M&P's slide feels like it's sliding on butter.
 
I don't care what you use them for, if you can get a gen 3 Glock 17 and 19, buy them both. I can't keep up with the finishes Glock uses, but if you know for a fact that the 17 is a gen 3 and the 19 looks the same, well... Neither should have the ambidextrous mag release or the fish scale slide serrations, nor should they have replaceable grip back straps.

The gen 3 Glock 9mms are at the top of the heap. Great guns. Shoot 'em and you'll get over the feelings you are having now.
 
I have 12 handguns. I always end up carrying the Glock 26. My wife loves the feel and trigger too so I got her a Glock 42. I don't think they are plasticky as much as they are not pretty at all. But you don't bring a pretty girl to a fist fight.
 
If I bought a Glock, it'd be a Gen 4. I don't like the small Gen 3 mag release or the grip ergonomics. The 19 doesn't really fit my hand, although that can be remedied to some degree by a Gripforce adapter. The 17 fits my hand better than the 19, but my wife is less comfortable with the "brick" type grip of any Glock (she has smaller hands). The Shield fits her great, which is one reason we bought it.

I know that both the Glock and the M&P are dead nuts reliable (on average...it's possible to get a bad gun of either variety). These guns are tools, and I have to look objectively at what tool will do the job best.

What I like better about the M&P is its construction: full stainless barrel and slide, and excellent Melonite coating. I carry the Shield in a full Kydex holster, and I must say that I'm impressed with the Melonite's wear resistance. I like the grip ergonomics of the M&P much better than the Glock; it fits like a glove.

What I like better about the Glock is its aftermarket support and versatility. Every Glock takes the larger magazines of the same caliber, so if you have more than one in the safe, you can double-up with magazines. You can also walk into any gun store and have a full assortment of holsters/accessories that will fit a Glock.

Which "I like better" aspects are going to be the most advantageous to me? Does the material quality of the M&P mean more to me, or does the aftermarket support of the Glock mean more to me? Just thinking out loud here...
 
I have a Steyr and love it. Maybe take a look at those as they are very Glock like and well built. I love the trapezoidal sights on them. Very quick to pick up and the gun fits like a glove.

The new FN striker fired autos would be a good one to look at as well. They even have replaceable slide rails.
 
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i really like my cz40b. i carry it daily. but then again, i know the reason why its so comfortable is because of the theis holster. ive handed my $369 40b to guys shooting kimber 1911 guns worth over $1600 and they shoot mine better. lolololol
 
The Glock 26, 19, and 17 are must own firearms for me. I could not be without them. I own several and multiples of the same models.

The gen 4 models were very problematic at first. They seem to have fixed the issues those were having. 3rd gen models (except for some Glock 22's) were pretty much on the money since day one.

As far as Smith & Wesson melonite finish, that is a type of ferritic nitrocarburizing. Glock and many other gun manufactures also treat their slides and barrels with this process. This hardens the metal and makes it very durable and resistant to corrosion.

As far as the two tone Glock, there was a factory run of two tone Glocks that were coated with a nickle boron coating and sold as a distributor exclusive. As far as I know they didn't come with stainless barrels. They were called the exo models.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/10/lc-judas/gun-review-glock-17-exo-2/
 
Well, the Sig P250 is striker fired, polymer, and a pretty versatile item, since the trigger group carries the serial number.

I'm not all that crazy about Sigs even though we have a ton of them (because my wife likes them, for some reason) but I do like the P250.

edit: One of our 226's has factory ceramic coating (Cerakote?), they might still be available if you are looking for a beater type gun.
 
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: Win
Well, the Sig P250 is striker fired,


The Sig P250 is hammer fired. Maybe you are thinking of the new P320?


Yeah, brain fade, my bad, sort of concealed hammer. I haven't looked at any of ours in awhile.

I haven't seen a P320 - been a couple of years since I've looked at guns. I've decided that the old adage that you can't own too many guns, is not really true.

I'll also throw this out there to the OP - Walther P99AS.
 
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I have a Steyr and love it. Maybe take a look at those as they are very Glock like and well built. I love the trapezoidal sights on them. Very quick to pick up and the gun fits like a glove.

The new FN striker fired autos would be a good one to look at as well. They even have replaceable slide rails.


I agree, checkout the Steyer. They are hard sell's in the shop but everyone who's bought one is truly happy with it, sleeper gun for sure.

If you like the M&P get it, it can hang with any of the plastic guns made.
 
Question for the Glock owners: how long should/would it take for the slide and gun to break in and feel smooth? I held a number of Glocks yesterday (17s and 19s) and the slides on the 3rd gen guns especially felt pretty gritty, when you rack them. They didn't have a very high quality feel to them. But then again, my neighbor has a police trade-in 22 and the slide racks extremely smooth.

Do you have to shoot a Glock 1,000 times for it to really break in smooth? Is this common for Glocks -- to have a gritty feel to racking the slide at first. You'd think that it'd be true of most guns (they'd need a break-in), but the M&P slide is very smooth.

My heart says M&P. I love the ergos and the look of them. My mind says Glock, that it would be the smart choice. I have to get my heart to want a Glock.
 
Originally Posted By: FastGame
Why do you feel the Glock is the " smart choice" over the M&P ?


I don't know. Many because fans of the platform are so insistent that it's the only one to get!

There are aspects of them that I like. The trigger curve is comfortable to me. If there's anything about the trigger that I don't like, I know that there are a ton of inexpensive aftermarket options. The slide is pretty easy to rack on a 17 (my wife will be able to use it easily). I have ambitions of shooting competitively, though that's a ways off. I know there are a ton of G17s out there shooting competitively. I know a G17 is a nail driver.

For some reason, I'm drawn to them, and I don't know why. Maybe "smart choice" wasn't the right term. What I meant to say is, the Glock is probably the one that I should buy. Again, I can't say why. My heart is after the M&P. But my gut tells me I should buy a Glock.
 
As a Glock certified armorer for nearly 20 years, I am clearly biased.

There are Glocks, and then there's the copies of a Glock.
 
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