so why are so many ripped at Mobil?

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Originally Posted By: ARMY_Guy
Originally Posted By: Rolf
Lubrication has never been a religious issue for me personally. I'll stick to facts, of which there appear to be none.


I love my Jeep more than you love your vehicle, too. I'll await their response, and in the meantime - stock up on good stuff like Motul, PP, etc.

-A


I've accrued like 600,000Km on M1. And my stuff is clean and healthy. I refuse to condemn their product based on rhetoric.

Facts are fun. It's too bad we don't have any.

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-A [/quote]

I've accrued like 600,000Km on M1. And my stuff is clean and healthy. I refuse to condemn their product based on rhetoric.

Facts are fun. It's too bad we don't have any.
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Is that all
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600,000 KM is like 372,822 miles. I have two vehicles in my garage that have 508,000 Mobil 1 miles on them. Daughters van at 190,000+/-, son in law's at 180,000+/-, other daughter's 2 cars at about 220,000. That is over 1,000,000 miles and there are many more over 100,000 going back to 1986.

I was very upset when this all came out. I stated that I could not get over the feeling that I was standing in front of the fish market trying to figure out what it was that I was smelling.
I still feel that way.

I doubt Exxon/Mobil is going to say anything at all unless/until Ashland makes public through trade journals all their testing procedures, batch numbers and manufacture dates, all information. If it turns out the independent lab was not an API certified lab and it was not an API request, legally, the test results don't exist.(not my words, an attorney relative)

IF Exxon/Mobil knew that they had a sub par, NOT AS ADVERTISED, NOT AS REPRESENTED, product on the market, I would like to see them at the very least, very least, acknowledge/confess. However, I doubt they will say anything more than they are now and have been API SM, ILSAC GF-4 certified.
 
LOL, Frank, you've got more vehicles than I do
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My old Explorer has 302,000 on it (M1 since around 90,000Km). The Mustang engine has 330,000 on it, the Lincoln has 337,000 on it, my F-250 had 200,000 on it before the nylon timing gear issued caused me to pull the engine and swap in a high-mileage Mustang 302 but those miles are not all accrued by me. I've personally accrued ~600,000km on Mobil 1.

What can I say, it seems our experiences echo each other.
 
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Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Frank and OVERK1LL - Oh, and don't forget mine too!


I think that would be quite impossible Doug. Your data outshines ours by a BROAD margin.

I for one genuinely appreciate your contributions and the level of experience and factual data you bring with them.
 
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Overkill

My Toyota pickup with the 22R engine has 300,300 miles on it. 260,300 are Mobil 1 15W-50, 20,000 are Castrol Syntec 5W-50, and the first 20,000 are Castrol 20W-50 conventional. I have never had to do any engine work and it doesn't leak, seep, or consume any oil so I am very reluctant(lazy, not inspired) to pull the valve cover to take pictures. All the others got Mobil 1 they day they were brought home.
 
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Originally Posted By: buster
Do you think Ashland, who can certify oils through their own lab, would make this claim w/o any facts?


Do you think Exxon Mobil, 100 times their size, would claim their oil met standards it did not?



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Overk1ll,
I' m new to this site and have said before, my Grand Marq. has 204,000K, my sons Ford Ranger has 325,000 miles on it, and have had several others with very high mileage on them. Why would I panic over a competor of XM making adverse claims about M1? By the way, the heads on my cars look as clean as yours. 10,000OCI. Thats a testiment to the quality of their product. I'm sure Valvoline is a fine product, but I know M1 is because of 31 years of experience with never a oil related failure
 
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Overk1ll,
I' m new to this site and have said before, my Grand Marq. has 204,000K, my sons Ford Ranger has 325,000 miles on it, and have had several others with very high mileage on them. Why would I panic over a competor of XM making adverse claims about M1? By the way, the heads on my cars look as clean as yours. 10,000OCI. Thats a testiment to the quality of their product. I'm sure Valvoline is a fine product, but I know M1 is because of 31 years of experience with never a oil related failure


Exactly sir, EXACTLY
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It keeps stuff clean.
 
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Do you think Exxon Mobil, 100 times their size, would claim their oil met standards it did not?


Sure, it's definitely possible. Bigger is not always better.
 
Originally Posted By: Rolf
Originally Posted By: buster
Do you think Ashland, who can certify oils through their own lab, would make this claim w/o any facts?


Do you think Exxon Mobil, 100 times their size, would claim their oil met standards it did not?


They both gotta do something. This is getting conspiracy theory-ish.
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If its good enough for 17 different vehicle factory fills, they've got to be doing something right, otherwise the UAW would sue XoM and save Detroit!

-A
 
Originally Posted By: ARMY_Guy
Originally Posted By: Rolf
Originally Posted By: buster
Do you think Ashland, who can certify oils through their own lab, would make this claim w/o any facts?


Do you think Exxon Mobil, 100 times their size, would claim their oil met standards it did not?


They both gotta do something. This is getting conspiracy theory-ish.
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If its good enough for 17 different vehicle factory fills, they've got to be doing something right, otherwise the UAW would sue XoM and save Detroit!

-A


ExxonMobil's quarterly profits are larger than the bailout
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i am still waiting for evidence.

I am itching to give 5w-50 M1 a try next OCI.

Problem is I have a year's supply of Valv durablend and conv 10w30.... My wife is not happy for me to buy more oil with a year's supply in hand...
 
Originally Posted By: buster
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Do you think Exxon Mobil, 100 times their size, would claim their oil met standards it did not?


Sure, it's definitely possible. Bigger is not always better.


Then it is just as possible that Ashland has erred.

Facts, we need facts.




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I think at this point in time if Ashland erred, their legal dept would have suggested they pull the ads and stop with their claims. The longer this goes on the more I believe Ashland is onto something. I could be wrong, but its really not going to change my views, or change the lousy replies Mobil sent to my questions. Several people mentioned in other threads that they've noticed a change in Mobil 1's quality, these are longtime users and members who I respect. We can also say that a UOA is a tool and really can't predict engine condition and wear, but its just odd that many times Mobil products do show higher iron counts. Those counts could mean nothing, but they are higher than other oils, and probably have some meaning even if its just slight.

Again people its your money spend it however you see fit. While I wait for facts on any product that is in question, I change brands, but that's me, and perhaps I'm a little
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Originally Posted By: buster
I think everyone knows Mobil can make some great oils. Just looking at a list of their patents is impressive enough.

http://www.freshpatents.com/Exxonmobil-Research-And-Engineering-Company-cndire.php

However, Mobil's replies and denial was the red flag in my opinion.


Good points. IMO the knife cuts both ways, a company that knows how to make a great product also knows how to cut corners, and I think that's what might have happend to the 5W30 oil.

Obviously there is a lot of passion, and negative feelings for Mobil products since these threads keep living.

I can't wait for the outcome..........
 
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