So some guy attempts to bash in my window...
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referred to in Mike's "Life Sucks" thread, Friday night, a guy I know was fronted by a similar sort of group, outside his mate's house.
ended up dead.
Town has gone to $h!T
It almost sounds like you need more decent people carrying handguns around there, Shannow.
The starter of this thread should have immediately taken off in his vehicle when the guy started messing with him. He waited far too long to see what would happen.
Unfortunately, we now have among us a huge number of psychopathic personalities who consider the rest of us as nothing but prey. They have no morals, ethics, or conscience. They will attack, kill, rob, rape, etc. with no compunction or remorse. The only defense against them is to either: (1) get away from them as quickly as possible, if possible, or (2) meet them on their own terms and, as quickly as possible, before they can continue to carry out their attack against you, treat them like what they are, which is animals, and immediately disable or kill them.
If you wait and see with these people, you lose. They know, and respect, nothing but force. Either you take them out, or they will take you out.
These people are not like you and I. They are not reasoning human beings. In fact, they are just barely human beings. If you treat them like humans, you lose. You have to react to them as you would to a mad dog that attacks you. These people depend on your sense of humanity, and your reluctance to regress to your animal instincts and immediately fight back. If you are unwilling to cut loose and take them on in the sense of kill them or be killed, you need to get away from them as quickly as possible.
It is sad that our society has come to this point, but those of us who are treated as prey by these animals will continue to be preyed upon until we fight back. The guys who attacked the Arab terrorists on the 911 flight that crashed in Pennsylvania taught us that. We who are the prey are just as able to fight, and if necessary, kill, as those who prey upon us. It is long past the time that we did so.
Unfortunately, we now have among us a huge number of psychopathic personalities who consider the rest of us as nothing but prey. They have no morals, ethics, or conscience. They will attack, kill, rob, rape, etc. with no compunction or remorse. The only defense against them is to either: (1) get away from them as quickly as possible, if possible, or (2) meet them on their own terms and, as quickly as possible, before they can continue to carry out their attack against you, treat them like what they are, which is animals, and immediately disable or kill them.
If you wait and see with these people, you lose. They know, and respect, nothing but force. Either you take them out, or they will take you out.
These people are not like you and I. They are not reasoning human beings. In fact, they are just barely human beings. If you treat them like humans, you lose. You have to react to them as you would to a mad dog that attacks you. These people depend on your sense of humanity, and your reluctance to regress to your animal instincts and immediately fight back. If you are unwilling to cut loose and take them on in the sense of kill them or be killed, you need to get away from them as quickly as possible.
It is sad that our society has come to this point, but those of us who are treated as prey by these animals will continue to be preyed upon until we fight back. The guys who attacked the Arab terrorists on the 911 flight that crashed in Pennsylvania taught us that. We who are the prey are just as able to fight, and if necessary, kill, as those who prey upon us. It is long past the time that we did so.
Mori has a girlfriend, na-na-na-na-na-na.
Honestly, and having seen what's happened in some places with similar issues, I think that would be a good idea.
Police are there for speed traps and RBT these days (it happened 120 yards from the Police Station).
Autopsy this morning revealed an enlarged heart that failed in the fight. But still, no thugs waiting outside the house, and he'd still be here. His mate was hospitalised also.
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I think Bernie was a hero. I identified with every crazy rant the guy put forth. His frustration was well founded ..and his remedy totally understandable. I don't care if the punks he shot were maimed for life and if they suffer an eternity in exquisite pain ..all the better. Animals that are harmful to the population need to be put down for the good of the society. Consider it wildlife management.
Breed better lowlifes ..or cull them in the field.
If I couldn't clear the intersection post haste, he would have gotten a severe case of lead poisoning
. Thank goodness for HR218.
Mori-ya did good, glad it all turned out ok. You wouldn't believe how many of these "fine folks" I encounter. Glad I'm retiring soon, they are really starting to multiply.
Mori-ya did good, glad it all turned out ok. You wouldn't believe how many of these "fine folks" I encounter. Glad I'm retiring soon, they are really starting to multiply.
People often wonder why police officers can have an attitude....its because they deal with people like this all day long. You did good, I would only hope I would stay as cool as you did in a similar situation.
I have really considered getting a CCW...cali makes it difficult however.
I have really considered getting a CCW...cali makes it difficult however.
If attacked and there is no handy weapon and you believe your self-defense prowess is less than your attacker's abilities....
well, there is always running away but for this old fat coot that attempt would be laughable so......
throw up on them.
well, there is always running away but for this old fat coot that attempt would be laughable so......
throw up on them.
Good point. I believe that the ability to run is the primary form of self defence. Regular running should complement any self-defence program. It's only when that's not an option that one should snap into survival mode and begin attempting to disable and remove the attackers eyes. I usually walk around anywhere with confidence, but can understand how more elderly people become afraid of the outside world as they lose their physical abilities and no longer have confidence that they would be able to either run away or inflict serious damage on an attacker.
Sounds like he was either on drugs or was not takeing his prescription drugs. That is one thing I do not miss about city life!!! I am here to tell you that it is rather easy to break automotive safety glass with your fists. I used to do it.Luckily it does take some skill it is not about brute force so much as how the force is focused and the proper follow through. Most people punch at an object wich creats a weak impact. The proper way to punch an object is to aim atleast for a spot 2-3 inch's beneath the surface of the object. You want to punch through it not at it. You also have to be totaly commited the punch their can be no hesitation or you will injury yourself instead of breaking the object. Luckily most people do not know this stuff and their punch's and kicks reflect this. You draw your power fromt he earth when punching and kicking and most people do not know how to root themself properly.
If taken to the extreme one can also move their internal energy into what ever limbs are being used to strike the object. Old school strong men of yester year called it nueral drive, martial artist's call it Chi or Ki.
If taken to the extreme one can also move their internal energy into what ever limbs are being used to strike the object. Old school strong men of yester year called it nueral drive, martial artist's call it Chi or Ki.
If you run you just die tired!!!
One thing I absolutely do not like in "Super Market Dojo's/Dojang's"!!!! Their insistance that their students should not be the agressor. While I agree that one should not go looking for trouble you should not be solely reactive. You know when a fight cannot be avoided when no amount of talking is going to help and when that time comes attacking first is usualy best! Waiting for the attach to come then trying to counter punch or take deffensive measure can get you hurt or killed very quickly!!!
I have seen so many people that were long time martial artist get their butt's handed to them because they had no clue how to fight to win on the street or in a bar!!! I was lucky enough to fight alot in school on the street and in bars and learned real quick what worked in class did not work onthe street.Wrestleing in H.S. helped a lot as well because it takes a lot of practice to learn rythme,timeing and how to read people.Olympic Point Fighting has ruined TKD as an art for serious combat!!!
I was horrable at long distance running I was a sprinter so it made no sense for me to run as once I past 200-400 meters I started to slow down a lot!!!! No sense trying fight when you are out of breath.
I have seen so many people that were long time martial artist get their butt's handed to them because they had no clue how to fight to win on the street or in a bar!!! I was lucky enough to fight alot in school on the street and in bars and learned real quick what worked in class did not work onthe street.Wrestleing in H.S. helped a lot as well because it takes a lot of practice to learn rythme,timeing and how to read people.Olympic Point Fighting has ruined TKD as an art for serious combat!!!
I was horrable at long distance running I was a sprinter so it made no sense for me to run as once I past 200-400 meters I started to slow down a lot!!!! No sense trying fight when you are out of breath.
The reason knives are used less is how close you have to get. Knives also do not cause as much internal trama so you have to wait 5-10 minutes minimum for the person to bleed out and that is if you hit an artery. Very few people ever consider severing the brainstem right at the base of the skull with a knife wich is the best way I think. If not you have to hit multiple arterys like in the neck,under the arms and in the crotch area. This is more then most can bear in a state of rage or fear. A gun on the other hand is simply point and squeze. It can be done with a lot of standoff. If a hunting rifle or shotgun is used often one shot will do the trick. I would never choose a knife or blunt object as my first choice if I was going to kill some one on impulse.Knives and blunt objects are about stealth as most people can either not afford or make a silencer and their own sub sonic ammo.
Predators also have a choice of who they attack. If you look like you'll make trouble, they will likely choose another prey.
Robert Heinlein said "An armed society is a polite society."
I mean, honestly, if the low life thinks he has a good chance to get blown away if he messes with you, he's going to probably move on to someone else.
Also, if you look at homicide rates, you'll note that few if any are ever commited by people who have CCW permits. Also, if you look at other types of violent crime, it's quite interesting to see how gun control affects it. In the U.S. if your home is burglarized, the theives are likely to wait until they know you'll be gone for a while, and then break in to take your stuff. In the UK they're just as likely to do it while you're home, because suprisingly enough, they have guns, and the law abiding do not. What risks do they have from some homeowner?
The problem with gun control laws, is that they're a fallacy. It's delusional to believe that creating a few more laws will prevent people from breaking those laws. Otherwise there would be no homicides, theft, rape, assault, etc. Laws exist mostly as a reactionary measure to have punative ability against the perpetrator, and to keep the casual person honest.
[shrug]
I mean, honestly, if the low life thinks he has a good chance to get blown away if he messes with you, he's going to probably move on to someone else.
Also, if you look at homicide rates, you'll note that few if any are ever commited by people who have CCW permits. Also, if you look at other types of violent crime, it's quite interesting to see how gun control affects it. In the U.S. if your home is burglarized, the theives are likely to wait until they know you'll be gone for a while, and then break in to take your stuff. In the UK they're just as likely to do it while you're home, because suprisingly enough, they have guns, and the law abiding do not. What risks do they have from some homeowner?
The problem with gun control laws, is that they're a fallacy. It's delusional to believe that creating a few more laws will prevent people from breaking those laws. Otherwise there would be no homicides, theft, rape, assault, etc. Laws exist mostly as a reactionary measure to have punative ability against the perpetrator, and to keep the casual person honest.
[shrug]
Yes, point fighting is play fighting. Thai kickboxing techniques are generally more effective. TKD and Karate do provide the precision, coordination of motion, and flexibility for good kicks and strikes, but the point fighting definitely does not teach you to swing through your target the way you should. The accuracy may be good for first strikes to the neck or groin though.
I agree that it is best to strike first in a dangerous situation. I've never been on the receiving end of the first strike. I've had a few bar/drinking fights in my time. These were mutual and I don't believe there was intent for serious harm on either side, nor did serious harm occur. It was all very stupid and I don't plan on doing any of that again. But while in university, a friend and I were attacked by a group of high school kids at a park late one night in Edmonton. I still don't know why they were so aggressive. Luckily they were young and the heaviest one was about 160lb, so my friend and I had at least 50lb of useful weight on each of them. They looked like normal kids having a beer in the park when we walked by. We did nothing to set off their aggression. There were a lot of them, so we ran when they started coming after us. We veered off in slightly different directions and my buddy was caught by three of them, and two had pieces of 2X4s. So I had to stop and disable the ones following me. The look of surprise on the guy's face when I stopped, turned around, and grabbed the guy by the collar was priceless (and yes, I did play a lot of hockey growing up!). He had barely even started slowing down when I started feeding him. Everyone at the lunchroom noticed the tooth gouges all over my knuckles on Monday. The other guy never came close to me, but did hit me in the back of the head with a chunk of ice. I ignored him as my friend was my priority and the only reason I stopped. He had two guys layed out and the other was on his knees pulling my friends jacket over his head by the time I got there and soccer-kicked him in the face twice with my steel-toed boots. He flopped over and we ran because there were more coming. I still had no intent to seriously injure in that situation, I was simply trying to disable them and get out of there. My instinct was to get away as soon as possible. Who knows when knives could have come into the picture?
That's the only time I've been attacked. It was pretty intense, but I came out of it good. When my girlfriend (we were staying at her place) woke my buddy up in the morning she said he freaked out like an abused child. I imagine that event could be considered traumatic for him; he was the one that was in the most trouble and I was fortunate to always be in control of my situation.
Running would certainly not be most effective against a gun. In that case, the distance needs to be closed and close fighting initiated as soon as you recognize that a gun may be involved.
I agree with you guys on striking first before the enemy has a chance to get organized.
I also think that for multiple assailants you are better off going right after the biggest one. Chances are if you can get a good shot on him his minions will think twice about joining in.
I also think that for multiple assailants you are better off going right after the biggest one. Chances are if you can get a good shot on him his minions will think twice about joining in.
I was with my brother in downtown CO Springs a few years back and we were confronted by some guys with knives. My brother pulled his piece (CCW - he's a firearms dealer and CCW trainer) and told them to get the #@$%! out of here; they ran like scolded dogs! I thought one of them was gonna #@$%! himself.
IMO, the best CCW is a snubby .357 with Buffalo Bore ammunition; you can jam it in flesh and it'll still fire.
Federal and State law gives me the legal right/defense to protect myself with a lethal weapon; I use it. You still face the nature of a civil suit though as family members usually don't want to believe their loved one could possibly be robber/criminal.
With the inception of Colorado's state wide CCW law, you'd be AMAZED at how many people, especially women, pack heat.
IMO, the best CCW is a snubby .357 with Buffalo Bore ammunition; you can jam it in flesh and it'll still fire.
Federal and State law gives me the legal right/defense to protect myself with a lethal weapon; I use it. You still face the nature of a civil suit though as family members usually don't want to believe their loved one could possibly be robber/criminal.
With the inception of Colorado's state wide CCW law, you'd be AMAZED at how many people, especially women, pack heat.
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