Anyone carry "protection" when driving?

[AmishFury]

get a large combination wrench to keep next to the seat... 32mm is a good size... not big enough to be super heavy but big enough to get the point across that knocking on your passenger window might be a bad idea

plus you never know when you might need to loosen or tighten a 32mm bolt

 

[DoiInthanon]

Constitutional and legal protections aside, to say the behavior of others should determine my right to weapons is insulting.

Who is to say that fifty percent of our population (women) should not have access to weapons because some in society are careless with guns?

Who is to say old and infirm individuals should not have self protection because of bad behavior of others?

I say my deportment should maintain my rights in society, not the actions or behaviors of others.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: Trajan

Yessssss. But if the state says you can't buy one, then you can't buy one. Fail the background checks, and you don't get one.

Yea..I do understand that. Bad guys will always have guns. In a perfect world Bad guys would not have guns. Citizens would not have mental issues that makes them unfit to carry a loaded handgun around. No matter how you look at it...Government does and needs to apply some regulation for handguns.

As you know in Pa. and in most states (i assume) long guns have no papeer trail. You can buy a long gun frome anyone with (legally) no questions asked. Now I think that in Pa. both parties must be "citizens" (whatever that means anymore) of Pa.

So in theory you can always protect yourself. Not really arguing with ya.

 

[CourierDriver]

Maybe we all should be wearing those video cams on our clothes so we could get any actions that might be harmful to us on record when we are in public, and all your daily activity would be on record,,well that may be to much info for your spouse to handle,,,lol.

 

[bubbatime]

Originally Posted By: Mykl
Laying around... not in a locked container; where any person in the house has access to it.

You see, what you did just there is displayed that the fallacy of "appeal to fear" or "appeal to emotion" has convinced you that the only way you can keep yourself safe while you're in bed at night is an unsecured weapon. What's impressive is that you also combined it with a straw-man that you very efficiently tore down, kudos for that. Did you make your decision based on that fear alone or did you bother to actually go looking for information regarding exactly how likely it is that you would need a weapon at that time in the first place?


I live in a very safe neighborhood, probably in the top 2 or 3 counties in all of Florida. I sleep with a loaded 12 gauge propped up next to the bed, a loaded AR-15 under the bed, a loaded Glock 21 on my side of the bed and a loaded Glock 17 on the wife's side of the bed. All guns has tactical lights attached to them and some of them also have lasers attached to them. I also have large, loud dogs that roam the house at night and bark at the sound of a pin drop outside.

What's this fear you talk about? I have never felt more peace than when I go to bed at night. MY house is well protected, no need to fear here.

And your argument about statistics and probability of actually needing a firearm are completely nonsensical. No one ever needs a firearm, until they do. Amazingly, deadly force encounters are NOT scheduled ahead of time by the bad guys, so I will just err on the side of caution and ALWAYS be armed, every day, every hour, at home and away from home. Pretty simple really.

And since you are against "unsecured weapons" next to the bed at night, what is your game plan when SHTF.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: Trajan

Yessssss. But if the state says you can't buy one, then you can't buy one. Fail the background checks, and you don't get one.

Yea..I do understand that. Bad guys will always have guns. In a perfect world Bad guys would not have guns. Citizens would not have mental issues that makes them unfit to carry a loaded handgun around. No matter how you look at it...Government does and needs to apply some regulation for handguns.

As you know in Pa. and in most states (i assume) long guns have no papeer trail. You can buy a long gun frome anyone with (legally) no questions asked. Now I think that in Pa. both parties must be "citizens" (whatever that means anymore) of Pa.

So in theory you can always protect yourself. Not really arguing with ya.


Now *that* I didn't know, having bought all mine from a dealer..

 

[1 FMF]

Originally Posted By: Al


As you know in Pa. and in most states (i assume) long guns have no papeer trail. You can buy a long gun frome anyone with (legally) no questions asked. Now I think that in Pa. both parties must be "citizens" (whatever that means anymore) of Pa.

So in theory you can always protect yourself. Not really arguing with ya.


regarding paper trail on long guns, that assumption is based on a deception and gullibility (if that's a word).
I know for a fact here in CT, since Malloy passed the gun registration that went into affect Jan 1 2014 if you own any long gun on the new CT assault weapons list (any AR-15) you had to register it or become a felon. Well you can look up news about it how they estimate over 100,000 people did not register and it's the big elephant in the room.
I guy at the range submitted paperwork to CT DPS requesting info on what's on record of everything he owns or has bought, and he got exactly that including every long gun and shotgun purchased legally at a store. The way it was suppose to work is a background check was done by the seller for purchase of long gun and provided that came back clean and the buyer had a valid pistol permit the sale was legal and no record was kept by the state of the purchase (pistols/handguns i believe are different). Getting back a list of every long and shotgun they guy purchased going back 10+ years proves the state lied and did keep all that information, which was illegal! That also means the state technically knows who bought and should own all the now illegal assault weapons, but nothing about has materialized, which would in fact prove their guilt.


but we should never need a rifle like an AR-15 : rolleyes : not to say i told you so in my earlier post ( I should have listed Paris France, and England is another one with their weakening of the people with their gun control) :
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/07/...ed-say-experts/

let's see how well the lock down works. Boston was locked down for how long, with a scrawny russian kid with a couple pistols ?

 

[1 FMF]

and with the paris terrorist commandos right now, also proves how stupid all this camera [censored] is. everything thinks i'll get a camera and that will ward off the bad people because it will be video'd.
whether it was original poster here about putting a dash cam in his car or the Paris terrorist [invasion] all it really does is serve as entertainment afterwards, it does very little to deter or prevent. I would prefer to see video posted of the terrorists running in the street with their AK, shot by citizens from their apartment window with their long gun, but that would impose on the business model of police and politicians.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: 1 FMF
[
regarding paper trail on long guns, that assumption is based on a deception and gullibility (if that's a word). proves the state lied and did keep all that information, which was illegal!

Maybe I am misunderstanding your point but in Pa. there is no receipt, no paperwork, and no history unless you buy it in a gun store.

Now to your point..."in theory" Pa. and several "Free" states prohibit a registrary of Handguns (with certain exceptions

)

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: Mykl
Laying around... not in a locked container; where any person in the house has access to it.

You see, what you did just there is displayed that the fallacy of "appeal to fear" or "appeal to emotion" has convinced you that the only way you can keep yourself safe while you're in bed at night is an unsecured weapon. What's impressive is that you also combined it with a straw-man that you very efficiently tore down, kudos for that. Did you make your decision based on that fear alone or did you bother to actually go looking for information regarding exactly how likely it is that you would need a weapon at that time in the first place?


I live in a very safe neighborhood, probably in the top 2 or 3 counties in all of Florida. I sleep with a loaded 12 gauge propped up next to the bed, a loaded AR-15 under the bed, a loaded Glock 21 on my side of the bed and a loaded Glock 17 on the wife's side of the bed. All guns has tactical lights attached to them and some of them also have lasers attached to them. I also have large, loud dogs that roam the house at night and bark at the sound of a pin drop outside.

What's this fear you talk about? I have never felt more peace than when I go to bed at night. MY house is well protected, no need to fear here.

And your argument about statistics and probability of actually needing a firearm are completely nonsensical. No one ever needs a firearm, until they do. Amazingly, deadly force encounters are NOT scheduled ahead of time by the bad guys, so I will just err on the side of caution and ALWAYS be armed, every day, every hour, at home and away from home. Pretty simple really.

And since you are against "unsecured weapons" next to the bed at night, what is your game plan when SHTF.


Clearly you fear something with all your rationalizations for how you handle your weapons.

Man, you can do whatever the [censored] you want with your own possessions in your own home. I really don't care until you put bullet holes in my house going Rambo on whatever it is you're afraid of.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: 1 FMF
and with the paris terrorist commandos right now, also proves how stupid all this camera [censored] is. everything thinks i'll get a camera and that will ward off the bad people because it will be video'd.
whether it was original poster here about putting a dash cam in his car or the Paris terrorist [invasion] all it really does is serve as entertainment afterwards, it does very little to deter or prevent. I would prefer to see video posted of the terrorists running in the street with their AK, shot by citizens from their apartment window with their long gun, but that would impose on the business model of police and politicians.


Those people had a very specific target and a very specific reason for going after the people they went after.

I don't think there's a single religious fanatic on the planet who cares all that much about your stereo receiver.

The point of cameras and lights and other passive defenses are to make your house look like a more difficult target than the next guy's house, not to ward off terrorists.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: bubbatime
12 gauge propped up next to the bed, a loaded AR-15 under the bed, a loaded Glock 21 on my side of the bed and a loaded Glock 17


SWEET collection!!

 

[dblshock]

yep, I do, a .45LC SAA 5.5" in a El Paso Cheyenne rig...open carry on my Rincon lest I tangle with the local beasts in the forest.

http://www.epsaddlery.com/pc-22-29-cheyenne-rig-holster-and-belt.aspx

 

[dblshock]

when I'm not on my Rincon it hangs loaded on the bed post.

 

[KenO]

Originally Posted By: Lolvoguy
and no, I don't mean the birth control kind either

I had a run in with a motorcyclist this morning. He successfully did a high speed lane change in front of me, (only successful since I had to slam on my breaks to avoid hitting him). I proceeded to lay on my horn since he was blocking the only road out of the downtown core. This upset him.

We proceeded a bit, then at the next intersection he cam eup to my passenger window and started banging on it (an attempt to scare me?). He also tried opening the passenger door, but it was locked (not that i locked it, but I never unlocked it this morning). He finally resumed his journey by putting his bike in gear and leaving. I thought of reporting him to the police, but I forgot the plate number.

This got me thinking....what if my passenger door was unlocked? what if he broke my window and proceeded to assault me? I dont' have any weapons to protect myself. I would carry pepper spray, but in the case of the biker, he had a face shield.

Anyone else carry a weapon? My dad used to have a tire iron he had on the back passenger seat. He never had to use it (as he was always the "safe and slow" driver in his Volvo wagon) but it was nice to know it was there

After this run in, I'm seriously considering installing one of those dash cams. At least it will be able to record all the unbiased info.


If you're in a car and he's in a motorcycle, and he tries to 'assault you' - you're in a [censored] car. Stand on the brakes, drive int (over) him, floor it, do something. You drive a massive, multi-ton weapon. If somebody tried to carjack me the first thing I would do is floor it or stand on the brakes (depending on if I'm moving or not, of course). If I smash a car around me - whatever. At least the POS won't be getting my car, and hopefully I seriously hurt them in the process.

 

[1 FMF]

Originally Posted By: Mykl


Those people had a very specific target and a very specific reason for going after the people they went after.

I don't think there's a single religious fanatic on the planet who cares all that much about your stereo receiver.

The point of cameras and lights and other passive defenses are to make your house look like a more difficult target than the next guy's house, not to ward off terrorists.


specific reason maybe, this time, for those 2 or 3 people and it's still playing out. then there's the aftermath if you're in the way your a victim of circumstance,
my point was people who are against lawful gun ownership who proclaim citizens don't need firearms that it's the police's job to come and protect... doesn't work. current events prove this. past events like the boston bomber kid proved it, he car jacked one or 2 people in his getaway while shot until cops found him a day later hiding in some guys boat, and this is in MA where there's "gun control". common theme, the kid likely would have not carjacked someone in TX and the situation would be resolved. it'll take an event like terrorists doing something like this, getting away and doing a home invasion where no one in the neighborhood has a means of protecting themselves. for what is known now, the paris terrorists are not caught and you don't need cop/security training to understand they could be hold up in a house [home invasion] that could have all sorts of camera's and and alarm systems, simply waiting for night to then move to the next house and eventually make it out of the area.

and for KenO who just said, "Stand on the brakes, drive int (over) him, floor it, do something. You drive a massive, multi-ton weapon." i don't know if you read above where i posted link maybe you never heard about it happening, but the NYC motor cycle gang who 'terrorized' a driver with wife and kid did exactly that and then chased him down and did what they wanted. thinking like that only works under a certain scenario, it would be like thinking i wear a seat belt i'm safe in case of collision, and have airbags and onstar and my cell phone but neglect common sense when driving poorly in bad conditions. my point back to gun control and liberals they can't understand reality and it has to happen before they realize the consequence of imposing their ideology on people.


Originally Posted By: Al
Al : "Maybe I am misunderstanding your point but in Pa. there is no receipt, no paperwork, and no history unless you buy it in a gun store. "

right, and last i knew in CT any kind of private transfer of firearms is illegal, paperwork has to be submitted to CT DPS from buyer and seller certainly for pistol but not sure about long gun. most likely now after newtown incident and malloy's gun law paperwork for anything... to be "legal". but it does nothing, it's false sense of security. there are many older guns with/without serial numbers and identification or simply not in state/federal database. so there's no way to prove those kind of transfers happened if someone has such a firearm not explicitly outlawed in the state, especially if it's black market with foreign imports, the law only hurts law abiding citizens. it's funny how they cry against profiling and stereotyping yet they did exactly that against make/model/looks of firearms neglecting reality.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: 1 FMF
specific reason maybe, this time, for those 2 or 3 people and it's still playing out. then there's the aftermath if you're in the way your a victim of circumstance,
my point was people who are against lawful gun ownership who proclaim citizens don't need firearms that it's the police's job to come and protect... doesn't work. current events prove this. past events like the boston bomber kid proved it, he car jacked one or 2 people in his getaway while shot until cops found him a day later hiding in some guys boat, and this is in MA where there's "gun control". common theme, the kid likely would have not carjacked someone in TX and the situation would be resolved. it'll take an event like terrorists doing something like this, getting away and doing a home invasion where no one in the neighborhood has a means of protecting themselves. for what is known now, the paris terrorists are not caught and you don't need cop/security training to understand they could be hold up in a house [home invasion] that could have all sorts of camera's and and alarm systems, simply waiting for night to then move to the next house and eventually make it out of the area.


The homicide rate in France is 1 for every 100,000. Compare this to the United States which is 4.7 for every 100,000.

Whatever France is doing is working great for them, because you are drastically less likely to be murdered there.

What happened there recently really sucks, but there's no way it can be proven that adding more guns to the equation would have done anything to change the outcome.

*note* my argument is not "guns are bad!!! we shouldn't have them!!!" Guns are in the US to stay, and I really don't care.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: 1 FMF
most likely now after newtown incident and malloy's gun law paperwork for anything... to be "legal". but it does nothing, it's false sense of security. there are many older guns with/without serial numbers and identification or simply not in state/federal database. so there's no way to prove those kind of transfers happened if someone has such a firearm not explicitly outlawed in the state, especially if it's black market with foreign imports, the law only hurts law abiding citizens. it's funny how they cry against profiling and stereotyping yet they did exactly that against make/model/looks of firearms neglecting reality.

I suppose the only answer then is for the state to require guns already purchased without paperwork (mainly long guns) be required to be registered. Actually I could almost see this happening in some of the "non-free" states. However I refuse to worry about bc its just a law I would have to ignore.

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: Mykl

*note* my argument is not "guns are bad!!! we shouldn't have them!!!" Guns are in the US to stay, and I really don't care.


Actually - you do care. You care enough to post more in this thread than anyone else. You care deeply about guns...it's evident from all your posts....

And your feelings on the matter are equally clear.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: Astro14

Actually - you do care. You care enough to post more in this thread than anyone else. You care deeply about guns...it's evident from all your posts....

And your feelings on the matter are equally clear.


What are my feelings on the matter?

My first post was on the bottom of page 10 of a thread that is now in it's 12th page. Am I *really* the person whose posted the most in this thread?