Sick and tired of the "listening"

[dishdude]

Adjust your tinfoil hats!

 

[KrisZ]

Adjust your tinfoil hats!

More like double or triple the layers

 

[BISCUT]

Anyone who doesn't believe this happens is a fool ! People say your phone only listens when you say "Hey Siri" or "Okay, Google" or do similar actions with Google Home devices and so on. Read this slowly and carefully: If they're not always listening, how do they hear you when you say "Okay, Google" ?


The core OS (iOS or Android) are what's listening. Apple and Google sell our "anonymous data". This is not a secret, it's disclosed. Big data has connected all of these dots out there and know who each one of us is with 99% certainty.

Correct. And turning it off has a different meaning than what most of us would define "OFF" as. It is not "OFF" in the traditional sense.

 

[bullwinkle]

Adjust your tinfoil hats!

I wish that would stop it... More like, your phone needs a tinfoil hat!

 

[billt460]

Since we're on the subject, what constitutes a "good" Faraday Bag for a phone? These things are priced all over the place. Would something like this work?

https://www.amazon.com/Lvfeier-Security-Pouch-Anti-Tracking-Anti-Spying/dp/B07J27D5TJ/ref=sr_1_8?crid=39LTHU4VBI6ZV&keywords=faraday+bags+for+phones&qid=1687375753&sprefix=Faraday%2Caps%2C179&sr=8-8

Or do you need to spend more on something like this? I mean, that's a pretty big spread for basically the same thing. What exactly are you supposed to look for with these type of things?

https://www.amazon.com/Silent-Pocket-Faraday-Smartphone-Sleeve/dp/B07L4WSJKM/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?keywords=faraday+bags+for+phones&qid=1687375966&sr=8-3-spons&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc

 

[dishdude]

Since we're on the subject, what constitutes a "good" Faraday Bag for a phone? These things are priced all over the place. Would something like this work?

https://www.amazon.com/Lvfeier-Security-Pouch-Anti-Tracking-Anti-Spying/dp/B07J27D5TJ/ref=sr_1_8?crid=39LTHU4VBI6ZV&keywords=faraday+bags+for+phones&qid=1687375753&sprefix=Faraday%2Caps%2C179&sr=8-8

Or do you need to spend more on something like this? I mean, that's a pretty big spread for basically the same thing. What exactly are you supposed to look for with these type of things?

https://www.amazon.com/Silent-Pocket-Faraday-Smartphone-Sleeve/dp/B07L4WSJKM/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?keywords=faraday+bags+for+phones&qid=1687375966&sr=8-3-spons&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc

Why would you need one of these? Just turn your phone off. If you put the phone in one of these while on, it's just going to drain the battery as the radios go into high power mode seeking out a signal.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

Why would you need one of these? Just turn your phone off. If you put the phone in one of these while on, it's just going to drain the battery as the radios go into high power mode seeking out a signal.

You don't even have to turn it off, just put it in airplane mode.

But, like those things you plug into your 12v socket that promise 5% better fuel mileage, there is a buyer for everything.

 

[billt460]

Why would you need one of these? Just turn your phone off. If you put the phone in one of these while on, it's just going to drain the battery as the radios go into high power mode seeking out a signal.

I'm not saying I do, just asking. Someone brought it up.

 

[Hall]

Would something like this work?

This would work the best (and for many others too):

 

[billt460]

The core OS functions cannot be turned off. Even if you disable GPS, microphone, etc. Apple for iPhones or Google for Androids will track and send back data from these sensors.

But you can disable these for any other app.

I have a faraday cage but since I'm on call 24/7 every day I can't be without a phone. Tried to go back to flip phones but the lack of email functionality was a big hindrance.

This is what prompted me to ask.

 

[billt460]

This would work the best (and for many others too):

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99% of my phone traffic is on my landline. I don't give my cell number to anyone.

 

[stormgol]

This would work the best (and for many others too):

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my best friend was in the canadian army for 23 years as a signals intelligence specialist. in the late 90's he was offered a job at NSA in san antonio texas. he worked 5 years for NSA. when he left the army, he was hired by bank of canada as cyber security manager. after some time he decided he wanted better salary he thought his expertise deserved better, so he was hired by payments canada and worked in the same role as cyber security manager.

i have known him for 37 years. in all those years he has never talked to me about his jobs or revealed anything about them. the only thing i know is that he has no facebook, and no presence on the internet, and his phone at home is like this. he has a place where we all put our cell phones in his garage when we visit. i guess he is a tin foil hat.

 

[Pablo]

The same people who listen have all kinds of things to keep you safe.

Be wary, very wary.

They want to take things from you to keep you safe. Lots of things.

 

[Nick1994]

I, I, I just don’t care…

 

[Astro14]

Why would you need one of these? Just turn your phone off. If you put the phone in one of these while on, it's just going to drain the battery as the radios go into high power mode seeking out a signal.

Just because you turn it off, doesn’t mean that’s it’s truly off, or that it is incapable of listening.

 

[macarose]

When I retire I'm taking my phone and chucking it.

Go find a phone that is simply... a phone.

No mail. Just a PO Box.

No doorbell. Just knock.

Lead a quiet existence, write, and ignore anything to do with the business world or the media.

Just enjoy the outdoors, eat well, and take long naps.

 

[SeaJay]

Toss all the phones, computers and any other electronic device with microphones and listening devices. Easy to do if you do not mind giving up all of the modern conveniences of these devices.

 

[dishdude]

Just because you turn it off, doesn’t mean that’s it’s truly off, or that it is incapable of listening.

I can power my phone down at 45% battery and throw it in a drawer for 2 weeks and when I come back to it 2 weeks later and power it on it'll still be at 45%. How is it "listening" and not consuming any power?

 

[brianl703]

FWIW, to all the people that are "on the fence", I know a few people that have extremely high security clearances that work on high-security government projects.

1. They aren't allowed to take ANY mobile device, not even a laptop, with them anywhere. It has to stay in their vehicle, which is usually parked a decent ways away from any entrance/fence/gate/etc.

2. They won't talk about anything with me with a phone/device within 20' and exposed. Not even "let's go outside", it's a motion to walk outside and I know what that means, leave your stuff inside.

There's reasons why.... no matter how many things you have disabled on your apps.

I also have a couple of friends who have kids that are/were in the intelligence community in the military/NSA/etc. It's eye-opening to hear what can be done with YOUR phone.....

Those are the general rules for a SCIF. You wouldn't even be allowed to take a 1980s Walkman into one.

 

[Soft Cars]

This goes on and on. A few years ago I walked by the frozen pizza cases at Publix one evening. I didn't even open the freezer doors. None. Never touched a frozen pizza. I don't usually buy them and don't usually venture down the frozen food aisles at all. We don't eat frozen food. I was carrying my phone on a belt holster and the camera was on the outside.

Bam! Get home, an hour later, scrolling social media and up pops some ads for frozen pizzas. Never seen them before.

Wow! That's crazy!