Siberian Oil

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
You make it sounds like you can start drilling like popping a bottle of champagne. These are legit work that anyone has to do if you want to minimize the chance of a disaster.

The BP disaster demonstrated that the regulators were asleep at the wheel for many years. And yet, this is the first major oil spill in decades...

Seems to indicate that the regulators you love really aren't doing much, eh?


And your wild west deregulated markets would deliver HOW much better environmental outcomes ?

and how ?

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: Shannow

And your wild west deregulated markets would deliver HOW much better environmental outcomes ?

and how ?

Already have..I guess you forgot? Liability...which was limited in this case.

Do you think oil companies want to have another leak with a $50 billion+ cleanup bill?

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: Shannow

So how are these Aussie companies doing it then ?

Have they snuck in and bypassed regulation, or are they proof that it can be worked with ?


As long as there are some areas that can be drilled successfully, there will be people that can make money doing it. Foreign or otherwise.

Now where your argument faults is that if there were fewer restrictions, there would be EVEN MORE people drilling and extracting valuable energy.

So as I said before: Simply because you can fund drilling companies has nothing to do with the amount of drilling regulations...as you were inferring.

 

[LTVibe]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
The BP disaster demonstrated that the regulators were asleep at the wheel for many years.

Perhaps they need to regulate the regulators.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Originally Posted By: Shannow

And your wild west deregulated markets would deliver HOW much better environmental outcomes ?

and how ?

Already have..I guess you forgot? Liability...which was limited in this case.

Do you think oil companies want to have another leak with a $50 billion+ cleanup bill?


The way that open cut coal mines suddenly go broke just as they've got to clean up their mess indicates that the oil companies wouldn't give a stuff.

Go broke, their mates buy the gear, then get back to business as usual.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
The BP disaster demonstrated that the regulators were asleep at the wheel for many years.


So you propose we should eliminate the regulations and let the oil companies do whatever they want and regulate themselves?

You seems to agree in some previous threads that this is a new technology (deep sea drilling), that will have some unforeseen risks.

You are merely changing the subject. By proving that the "regulators" are inefficient, you attempt to prove that no regulation is necessary and no safety / preparation need to be done for oil drilling, rather than proving that more efficient regulators are needed.

 

[Shannow]

Panda,
there's a utopia out there for all people.

For some, there's a world where
- you sue everyone after the fact for things that they should ever have done, or let happen in the first place;
- only if you can PROVE damages (unless they are medical suppliers, surgeons, or doctors);
- while you replace your appliances every few months due to square wave, under frequency electricity suppliers;
- while trying to sue the appliance manufacturer for faulty goods; and
- trying to identify which of the wild west electricity generators lead to the low frequency, non sine wave power;
- so that you can sue THEM after the fact for your string of failed appliances.

While the rights of oil execs to club seals on the way to work and eat deep fried Peligans with their ethanol free lunch shall not be infringed.

 

[Ursae_Majoris]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
and eat deep fried Peligans

What's a "Peligan"? Are they tasty? Is it anything like hooligans (fish, not people)?

 

[Shannow]

Dunno, but someone thought it would be a good idea to squeeze oil out of their heads a few weeks ago.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Panda,
there's a utopia out there for all people.

For some, there's a world where
- you sue everyone after the fact for things that they should ever have done, or let happen in the first place;
- only if you can PROVE damages (unless they are medical suppliers, surgeons, or doctors);
- while you replace your appliances every few months due to square wave, under frequency electricity suppliers;
- while trying to sue the appliance manufacturer for faulty goods; and
- trying to identify which of the wild west electricity generators lead to the low frequency, non sine wave power;
- so that you can sue THEM after the fact for your string of failed appliances.

While the rights of oil execs to club seals on the way to work and eat deep fried Peligans with their ethanol free lunch shall not be infringed.


Oh, don't stop there, pal.

-attempting to sue in your state province when the shell company is located outside of your province/state, and the state attorney general's office is under funded so that no case can be heard until the statute of limitations expires ..which industry lobbied to have legislated into law and assure that it was underfunded.

The Peligan Brief. To some, it's a recipe for an easy lunch.

 

[Tempest]

Quote:
rather than proving that more efficient regulators are needed.

Are you saying that you can regulate your way to perfection?

I have little faith in regulators because they have an extraordinarily bad track record at doing what they are supposed to be doing and an even worse record at causing unintended consequences.

So you could say that you ALWAYS need more "efficient" regulators, which causes more laws, which causes more regulators, which need to be more efficient......it's a never ending cycle that's bad for business.

 

[Gary Allan]

Quote:
Are you saying that you can regulate your way to perfection?


No. He said what he said and you, again, answered with a question.

 

[Tempest]

Gary, have you been appointed the official answerer for Panda and XS650?

 

[Gary Allan]

No. I've appointed myself a commentator on avoidance behaviors in regard to truth in dialog. It's a pet informal research study that encompasses a broad span of behaviors. Some can be termed shrewd ..clever..skilled ..and in some instances they can be personality or character defects. I