Shoplifting.

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: grampi


You can blame all of this on our sissified PC society. Everyone has become so afraid of offending others that people in positions like yours can't even do their jobs. Even when people are clearly in the wrong, most of time nothing is done about it because people have become deathly afraid of being branded as a racist. It has gotten so bad that these thugs will stand up to authority figures when they've done something illegal because they know if they make enough of a stink about it, they'll just be let go. Give store security the authority to use deadly force if necessary to deal with these cancers of society and this garbage would stop...



Well put!

I have already mentioned that in less than a decade or two you will see armed guards (I mean with open carry semi automatic machine guns) posted inside stores many times. The best thing would be to extend the castle law to businesses so that stealing the property would be a shoot to kill possibility. The brazen aggressive attitude of these thieves has become so bad that it will take some dead thieves to wake them up to the reality that stealing will no longer be tolerated.


VERY well put!! I don't understand the limp wristed attitude of society (The normal part of civilized society that works and is productive,not the trash that thinks they're entitled to everything for free and constantly has a chip on their shoulder. If they don't like it,they're perfectly free to leave and go home where they think they'll have it better but they won't,there's no free stuff!). If someone is offended because they're called out and the truth hurts,provide them with a free box of tissues (they'd just steal it anyway).

As I mentioned in the Walmart theft thread,when I worked retail we'd constantly observe hood rat welfare trash stuffing merchandise inside their baby strollers with their mistake of a kid IN THE STROLLER! They'd bury it under the kid and walk out. LP or store manager would approach them,they'd yell F-YOU!! at them and arrogantly waltz on out of the store and get into their Escalade or Navigator (that we paid for) and drive away. Disgusting.


It's this kind of scum that should be publically executed!

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
Someone here thinks that lethal force is justified for a store security guard to stop a shoplifter? That is disturbing. Do you now how many shoplifters a large big box retail store gets per day? Isn't a persons life worth more than a bag of stolen goods? I don't think Walmart will even press charges if the stolen items are less than $25 bucks. Is it worth it for the security guard to go to court multiply times to get a small time thief convicted?


Exactly.

It is purely a business decision to let those go before they get caught in a safe situation next time.


And because of this, more people steal, and more people are getting bolder about doing so...sooner or later retailers are going to have to take a meaningful stand against these thugs or the stealing is going to make them go bankrupt...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
Someone here thinks that lethal force is justified for a store security guard to stop a shoplifter?


Yes, WE do.


We? Got a mouse in your pocket, dude?


I think it's justified too, so that counts as a "we"...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
I assume you get some training in "racial profiling"? Maybe you can join a police force? I heard Chicago is always hiring.


When you've got a group of people that makes up just 16% of the population committing 86% of the crimes, that's not racial profiling, that's called identifying the problem...

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
I assume you get some training in "racial profiling"?

Profiling isn't going anywhere.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: grampi


When you've got a group of people that makes up just 16% of the population committing 86% of the crimes, that's not racial profiling, that's called identifying the problem...


Bingo.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: grampi


When you've got a group of people that makes up just 16% of the population committing 86% of the crimes, that's not racial profiling, that's called identifying the problem...


Bingo.


Bingo x2!!

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: grampi


When you've got a group of people that makes up just 16% of the population committing 86% of the crimes, that's not racial profiling, that's called identifying the problem...


Bingo.


Bingo x2!!


Bingo x3!!!

 

[Garak]

We live in quite the world when a retailer doesn't have the courage to deal with an offender for fear of being sued. When I worked retail years ago, and someone stole something, I gave them something to remember me by. And, I made minimum wage - sue me all you want.

I remember what my boss told me when I took someone down hard. "You know, you're not supposed to do that. But, boy, am I glad you did that."

 

[Jarlaxle]

You're lucky you never went for the wrong person...dude with a knife, with a gun...even a dude with a couple grams of Angel Dust roaring through his bloodstream. Had you wound up knifed, do you think the store would have done anthing but wash their hands of you?

 

[3for3]

There are people that go to stores that they know have an LP department, for the sole purpose of trying to trick us into doing a "bad stop."

For example they will enter the store and act suspicious by looking around and up for employees and cameras, then select merchandise and look around suspiciously again, then conceal the merchandise on their person, then go into the dressing room, or restroom, or a section of the store with no cameras, and ditch the merchandise. They hope they get an over eager LP agent that doesn't follow the proper steps of making an arrest, and get stopped at the exit and taken into the LP office accused of stealing. When it turns out they don not have unpaid merchandise, they get management involved immediately, and then contact a lawyer. They press charges against the company and the agent for false imprisonment, and what ever else the lawyers come up with. Pay Day for the scumbags.

A woman "customer" in our region went into one of our stores and began filling her large empty handbag with merchandise. She then went into the restroom for several minutes and came out looking like her handbag was still packed with out merchandise. She was stopped at the exit by an LP agent and taken into the office. She claimed she did not speak or understand English, so they got an employee to translate. That brought another witness into the picture. Her handbag had an inflatable medium sized beachball inside, and no merchandise. A female employee went to check the restroom and found a bunch of our merchandise on the sink counter top, and floor. The woman had went in and emptied her handbag, and blew up the beach ball. The LP agent did not follow all the steps into making an arrest, and he lost his job that day. And, the woman probably sued the company and might have gotten money.

One of the many reasons I am loosing faith with society, and sickened by the retail environment.

 

[qwerty1234]

What are the most common items stolen? I once read Tide laudry detergent is very common. In my area chore boy is always locked up because folks steal it to use as a screen in glass crack pipes.

 

[JustinH]

The new thing is buying gift cards with stolen credit cards and selling them on the street for cash.

A cop I know said it is quite a problem.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
You're lucky you never went for the wrong person...dude with a knife, with a gun...even a dude with a couple grams of Angel Dust roaring through his bloodstream. Had you wound up knifed, do you think the store would have done anthing but wash their hands of you?

That's really not the point. I could not, in good conscience, allow a theft or a robbery to take place if there's anything I could do to stop it. Of course there were risks to me personally, and I wouldn't expect the store to be doing a whole lot of anything to save/rehabilitate/memorialize me as the case may have been. You either believe in something and stand up for it yourself when you can, or you don't.

It wasn't about me deciding I was a minimum wage person hired to protect the owner's property with my life. It's wrong to steal stuff from the store or to rob it, and I was in the position to stop it. The only thing you truly own are your own mistakes and your principles. You stand by them, or you don't.

qwerty1234: Speaking of Choreboy, at the time I was working retail, I suggested to the boss that he triple the price of baking soda, since no one actually bought it for its intended purpose.

 

[GMFan]

From my brief experience in retail (grocery store) most of the thefts were from employees. Although there was one time a wacko snuck into the seafood section late one night and tried to walk out with 30lbs of frozen shrimp in a Styrofoam cooler.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: 3for3
There are people that go to stores that they know have an LP department, for the sole purpose of trying to trick us into doing a "bad stop."

For example they will enter the store and act suspicious by looking around and up for employees and cameras, then select merchandise and look around suspiciously again, then conceal the merchandise on their person, then go into the dressing room, or restroom, or a section of the store with no cameras, and ditch the merchandise. They hope they get an over eager LP agent that doesn't follow the proper steps of making an arrest, and get stopped at the exit and taken into the LP office accused of stealing. When it turns out they don not have unpaid merchandise, they get management involved immediately, and then contact a lawyer. They press charges against the company and the agent for false imprisonment, and what ever else the lawyers come up with. Pay Day for the scumbags.

A woman "customer" in our region went into one of our stores and began filling her large empty handbag with merchandise. She then went into the restroom for several minutes and came out looking like her handbag was still packed with out merchandise. She was stopped at the exit by an LP agent and taken into the office. She claimed she did not speak or understand English, so they got an employee to translate. That brought another witness into the picture. Her handbag had an inflatable medium sized beachball inside, and no merchandise. A female employee went to check the restroom and found a bunch of our merchandise on the sink counter top, and floor. The woman had went in and emptied her handbag, and blew up the beach ball. The LP agent did not follow all the steps into making an arrest, and he lost his job that day. And, the woman probably sued the company and might have gotten money.

One of the many reasons I am loosing faith with society, and sickened by the retail environment.


You should have no Mayberry illusions about our society. Zip...nada.

Having no faith is smart. I replaced my faith in our culture with hope. I often hope for the best in people....but really believe in the worst.

I am usually right.

 

[qwerty1234]

What about the self-checkouts?? I like using those and once in a while an item does not scan. How could they prove my intent to steal the item? I'm awful tempted to just put it in my bag and not re-scan it.

 

[Garak]

Well, one could make a mistake. Having worked in retail, I do know that often an item not even in the system will beep, because the scanner reads the bar code, but nothing shows up on the display because it's not in the system, and gives no warning to the clerk. I should think a self-checkout that reads an improper bar code should flag the attendant. Of course, if the bar code is unreadable, that's another matter altogether.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
I'm awful tempted to just put it in my bag and not re-scan it.


If this is any indication of your attitude in general I figure you'll be in trouble with law enforcement in the near future, if you already don't have a rap sheet. Do you?

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
I'm awful tempted to just put it in my bag and not re-scan it.


If this is any indication of your attitude in general I figure you'll be in trouble with law enforcement in the near future, if you already don't have a rap sheet. Do you?

I don't think qwerty cares much for law enforcement officers anyway.