Secrets shield the auto industry

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Oct 9, 2004
Messages
6,732
Location
New Braunfels
Article

Quote:


Consumer groups and other members of the public have asked to see the data, but the auto industry has opposed their release. If the public finds out that certain cars or tires are dangerous, they might stop buying them.

Formal disclosure rules, or more accurately nondisclosure rules, are pending, and it looks like the data will remain secret. Shoppers are out of luck. Federal safety records will not inform purchases.

The NHTSA says it needs to maintain confidentiality because reporting which cars are dangerous "will cause substantial competitive harm."

Say what?



 
But it's alright for automakers to spy on us with their black boxes. Just another consequence of corporate fascism.
 
What a crock of you know what. The whole idea of competition is BASED on the fact that the consumer has access to all the available information in order to choose the product that fits their needs. I wish congress would get back to the job of oversight one of these days...
 
The goverment does not have yours are my best interest in mind. The driving force for improvements for safety and health is insurance companies and the ever present potential for legal action. The congress speaks at the people but they listen to and speak with those who pay to keep them in office $$.

Just another Plebe.
 
Quote:


But it's alright for automakers to spy on us with their black boxes.




No, they just provide the hardware. It's the government that issues a court order to allow the contents of that black box to be retrieved against your will.
 
Despite any hardware or electronics placed on your vehicle (other than emmisions equipment) We still have the right to do with our property what we want. Anything electronic can be bypassed.
 
On private property you may do whatever you wish with your property, including operating it with disabled or tampered emissions equipment.

On a public roadway, there are more than just emissions equipment laws that apply.

Yes, anything electronic can be bypassed, assuming that one has the know-how to do so.
 
Quote:


The whole idea of competition is BASED on the fact that the consumer has access to all the available information in order to choose the product that fits their needs.




I wholeheartedly agree. And it's the first thing so called "capitalist" proponents forget.

Quote:


I wish congress would get back to the job of oversight one of these days...




Yep...some how we need to get our Congress to start being concerned with "the peoples" interests instead of "the lobbyists" interests.
 
Quote:


The goverment does not have yours are my best interest in mind. The driving force for improvements for safety and health is insurance companies and the ever present potential for legal action. The congress speaks at the people but they listen to and speak with those who pay to keep them in office $$.

Just another Plebe.



The government is our friend it is here to help us.
blush.gif
blush.gif
blush.gif
 
Quote:


The NHTSA says it needs to maintain confidentiality because reporting which cars are dangerous "will cause substantial competitive harm."




Owners of the gas-barbecue Pinto appreciated the NHTSA's concern for auto manufacturers.
 
Ponder the pre-Web days when we, the people, were oh so in-the-dark and were mere sheep waiting to be fleeced by entities with much more money, and thus power, than us mere commoners.

The Web has been the great equalizer allowing the peons to share an immense amount of info.

Though we do not have total access to info, compared to the pre-Web days we are incredibly enlightened and the enlightenment increases.

For the longest time we basically only knew what we individually experienced along with a hand-full of others we had direct contact with. As the Web era has shown, when we depend upon the mass media to enlighten us, as we had to in the pre-Web days, we were at the mercy of America's elite class.

The info dissemination capability of the Web and the power it proffers to us commoners in but one reason I expect that, eventually, a class of folks and their institutions will attempt to curtail the commoner's Web access.

Knowledge IS power, to a certain extent and the elites do not want us empowered. Unsure of what method(s) will be used to disempower us but keep thine eyes and ears open for those attempts since they assuredly will come about some day.

Old Coot told yah' that and Coot Prognostications are too-often accurate to a disturbing degree. Coot. Disturbed. Degree.
 
We will all be shocked, SHOCKED, to find out that the tiny little gas-sipping, environmentalists favorite, tree-hugging, bunny-loving little cars are actually deathtraps on American roads.

That'll squelch sales and quicken global climate change.

And bunnies will suffer.
 
Quote:


Ponder the pre-Web days when we, the people, were oh so in-the-dark and were mere sheep waiting to be fleeced by entities with much more money, and thus power, than us mere commoners.

The Web has been the great equalizer allowing the peons to share an immense amount of info.

Though we do not have total access to info, compared to the pre-Web days we are incredibly enlightened and the enlightenment increases.

For the longest time we basically only knew what we individually experienced along with a hand-full of others we had direct contact with. As the Web era has shown, when we depend upon the mass media to enlighten us, as we had to in the pre-Web days, we were at the mercy of America's elite class.

The info dissemination capability of the Web and the power it proffers to us commoners in but one reason I expect that, eventually, a class of folks and their institutions will attempt to curtail the commoner's Web access.

Knowledge IS power, to a certain extent and the elites do not want us empowered. Unsure of what method(s) will be used to disempower us but keep thine eyes and ears open for those attempts since they assuredly will come about some day.

Old Coot told yah' that and Coot Prognostications are too-often accurate to a disturbing degree. Coot. Disturbed. Degree.




AM ale again, obbop?

laugh.gif
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom