Running your gas to near empty each time = bad?

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Originally Posted By: Vikas
Originally Posted By: surfstar
...he's baaaack...


How can that be? This the first time both him and GHT have made their contributions on the same day!!


Told ya. :p

I'll buy you a drink? Or, you me? or.. no, timing belt is my responsibility.. Heineken?
 
I generally try to keep my tanks fairly full due to the fact that the air in AL is fairly humid. If the tank contains mostly air and not fuel, when the tank cools at night, the moisture in the air will condense on the inside of the fuel tank. Then it can form droplets and fall to the bottom of the tank. This happening over many months or years may contribute to a buildup of water in my gas tank. Since I do not want this to happen, I tend to keep my tanks fairly full of gas.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
STOP MAKING [censored] UP!!!

All of you - there is no evidence proving your claims.

I had a car that never got filled until it was either below 1/4 or the light was on. 346k miles on the factory pump and it still works.

According to you I should have been replacing the fuel pump every month.

ITS A MYTH!


I feel its running it empty where it picks up air that is the issue, not low.

As I said, it depends. I put 2 in my 93 Suburban, both in the heat of summer and both shortly after running out or very low and may have been picking up a mix of fuel and air.

That style from GM had a [censored] pump to begin with (so I found out) and running it very low or out was the killer.

I have run my Jeep out with no problem.
 
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Originally Posted By: toneydoc
I generally try to keep my tanks fairly full due to the fact that the air in AL is fairly humid. If the tank contains mostly air and not fuel, when the tank cools at night, the moisture in the air will condense on the inside of the fuel tank. Then it can form droplets and fall to the bottom of the tank. This happening over many months or years may contribute to a buildup of water in my gas tank. Since I do not want this to happen, I tend to keep my tanks fairly full of gas.


With E10 you will never have a buildup of water in your tank. Other problems maybe, but no water at the bottom of your tank.
 
i fill at 1/2 tank. 1. cause it makes the math to cal the MPG easy. 2. if i let it get low and something comes up to make me drive more i wont run out.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: GearheadTool

Running fill-up

That's about as exciting as watching grass grow.

GhT and Carnoobie in the same thread. The world IS coming to an end...



Tomorrow.
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In tank pumps (both motor and gearotor section) are cooled and lubed by the fuel. The pump is cooled internally by the fuel. Whether it is 1/8th full or topped to the gills doesn't matter to the pump as long as it doesn't suck air.
 
Originally Posted By: strongt
I don't think the car or pump have to work harder because the fuel pick is at the bottom of the pump which is the bottom of the tank. But IMO I think the fuel pump is cooled by the fuel it sits in. I would think a cooler running pump would translate into a long running pump. I never run past the 1/4 tank mark my shelf. I've never had the replace a fuel pump.


Most fuel pumps that I've seen are mounted up pretty high and are fairly tall--tall enough that in order to keep the business end submerged you'd probably have to keep 3/4 of a tank at all times. If it's anecdote people want though, I've never replaced a fuel pump and I regularly run my car down quite low--almost every tank.
 
I have a 2001 civic a 2009 civic and a 2006 acura rsx. I usually always run them till I get the low fuel light and never had a problem. The 2001 has 285000 miles. I personally dont believe it hurts them.
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If running it down past 1/2, 1/4 or even an 1/8 tank were at all bad, I would think with the millions and millions of cars on the road, the manufacturers would have had problems by now.

Mythbusted by logic. ?
 
You and Donald seem to know what you're talking about.
The rest, not so much.
The electric fuel pump remains cool enough as long as fuel is passing through it.
The pickup sucks from the lowest point in the tank, so the notion that the pump will pick up all kinds of nastiness should you run the tank low is also silly.
I've driven Lord knows how many miles in cars with electric fuel pumps and have yet to replace a one, despite the fact that I'm of the school that believes in using the full capacity of a fuel tank.
Two gallons remaining is plenty before filling the tank, or around the point at which the low fuel light comes on.
 
Now... as to the topic at hand: I feel as though, when there is less gasoline inside the sealed gas tank, there is more air. Therefore, when there is more heat, the air heats up, and expands, at a faster rate than the gasoline. So, let us say that there is 90% hot air in the tank, with 10% fuel at the bottom. Would you not think that the gasoline, that 10%, is at a hotter temperature than the gasoline that has LESS air in the tank? Let's say, 3/4 full.. 25% air, 75% gasoline. Wouldn't that gasoline, as there is more volume and mass of gasoline, be cooler in temperature than the 10% of gas?

Now, that gasoline that is cooling the pump. Sure, it gets through there.. But, how HOT is the gasoline itself. And then, some comes through the return line.. I have begun keeping the tank refueled at 1/2 to 1/3 of empty. Today it took 11.something gallons, the video tells the tale. I try to never let that vapor get to a point where it could heat up a lot.

Also. When it gets COLD outside.. Take a gallon of water, a FULL gallon, and stick it in the freezer. Now, take one with 10% water at the bottom. Which one freezes first? The 10% one! The FULL one is still liquid, it still moves when sloshed. Thus, as well, is gasoline.

Full tanks are better, even if some fuel pumps can take being run dry and some cant. It is common sense.
 
Well seems to me you'll save alot of energy running on the bottom 1/2 tank..a 20 gal tank half full is 70lbs. lighter, put that 70lbs. in your pocket and walk around the block a few times to really understand this.
 
Originally Posted By: dblshock
Well seems to me you'll save alot of energy running on the bottom 1/2 tank..a 20 gal tank half full is 70lbs. lighter, put that 70lbs. in your pocket and walk around the block a few times to really understand this.


That is true, but cars weigh, what, like 3000, 4000lbs, something like that? Still, I hear that some cars perform better "with less gas in them."

Some cars are heavy no matter WHAT.
 
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